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The map you see above is strictly a geopolitical demarcation which has been labeled "Cibao" is misleading and has little to do with the authentic regional cultural identity of the Cibaeño.


ominican+Republic;sortub_Date,Pub_List_No,Series_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=11&trs=24" target="_blank">http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~34413~1180043?qvq=qominican+Republic;sortub_Date,Pub_List_No,Series_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=11&trs=24

Take a look at this French made Map of the entire island and notice how far the Plains o Llanos de la Vega Real expanded. All the way to Samaná Bay Again, I think that what is "El Cibao" is subject to time and place. And the areas or sectors/divisions once large and over encompassing have gained more differentiation as modernization and development has progressed.



We had a vaery heated discussion on this before...I don't want to ruffle any feathers..but again, If you live near the beach, not from the cibao...if you live near the border, tampoco...if you live south of Bonao (la puerta del Cibao entrando por la capital), eres sureño.



Sorry Cib, just like I told xwill, please take a trip to towns of Cabrera, Rio San Juan, Gaspar Hernandez and Nagua and see for yourself if these people do not represent what you would consider to be Cibaeño culture. You might be surprised.



I've frequented those towns many times in my life..soryy, pero eso no es el Cibao. El Cibaeño no vive a la vera de playa, somo gente de TIERRA ADENTRO, lomeros, etc.. That the people there have affinities to us..given..it's not like they're located in some other country after all...but certainly another region.

Just because some merengero were born there... Many don't live the lifestyle at those coastal towns


If you consider "El Prodigio", El Cieguito de Nagua and Geovanny Polanco, just "some" merengueros then I guess you're right (NOT!). It's utterly ridiculous the assumptions that you make because these Cibaeños live in proximity to the ocean. Hello! They have PLENTY of campos, too, and also live the campesino "tierra adentro" lifestyle that seems to be the qualifier for some on here to be considered Cibaeño. They do not live in tiki huts, wear hula skirts and drink piña coladas all day just 'cuz they're close to the beach. Sheesh



Living in campos in DR is a poor qualifier to be a Cibaeño..if that's the case then all the campesinos everywhere else in the country are Cibaeños, too.


Well, the feeling is mutual regarding not being Cibaeño because you live by the ocean, when everything about you says and proves otherwise. I mentioned the campesino part because you keep referring so much to "tierra adentro" and the inhabitants there are, in fact, campesinos. FYI, several of these coastal towns that don't make the 'Cibaeño Cut" are also surrounded by mountainous regions, since some of you are so hell bent on the "mountains/tierra adentro" moniker so much.

I have friends from Puerto Plata that never say that they are from el cibao...
If you have driven all over DR like I have you can tell when you have stepped back into el Cibao. I do not even have to know what town I am in, I could feel it. Only a true cibaeno will feel this



You obviously have to be one to understand LOL..I also have NEVER heard a Puertoplateño/a refer to his or herself as a Cibaeño/a, never!


Doesn't mean they aren't!!

It would be great if el cibao of 2011 was as big as your map shows... But the majority people from those towns do not make us feel like they want to included with el cibao.
On that note, there are people from other areas of DR that pretend that they do not like merengue tipico but behind closed doors they love it and listen to that music.
Edited on 1/24/2011 5:14 PM by xwill7.
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The map you see above is strictly a geopolitical demarcation which has been labeled "Cibao" is misleading and has little to do with the authentic regional cultural identity of the Cibaeño.


ominican+Republic;sortub_Date,Pub_List_No,Series_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=11&trs=24" target="_blank">http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~34413~1180043?qvq=qominican+Republic;sortub_Date,Pub_List_No,Series_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=11&trs=24

Take a look at this French made Map of the entire island and notice how far the Plains o Llanos de la Vega Real expanded. All the way to Samaná Bay Again, I think that what is "El Cibao" is subject to time and place. And the areas or sectors/divisions once large and over encompassing have gained more differentiation as modernization and development has progressed.



We had a vaery heated discussion on this before...I don't want to ruffle any feathers..but again, If you live near the beach, not from the cibao...if you live near the border, tampoco...if you live south of Bonao (la puerta del Cibao entrando por la capital), eres sureño.



Sorry Cib, just like I told xwill, please take a trip to towns of Cabrera, Rio San Juan, Gaspar Hernandez and Nagua and see for yourself if these people do not represent what you would consider to be Cibaeño culture. You might be surprised.



I've frequented those towns many times in my life..soryy, pero eso no es el Cibao. El Cibaeño no vive a la vera de playa, somo gente de TIERRA ADENTRO, lomeros, etc.. That the people there have affinities to us..given..it's not like they're located in some other country after all...but certainly another region.

Just because some merengero were born there... Many don't live the lifestyle at those coastal towns


If you consider "El Prodigio", El Cieguito de Nagua and Geovanny Polanco, just "some" merengueros then I guess you're right (NOT!). It's utterly ridiculous the assumptions that you make because these Cibaeños live in proximity to the ocean. Hello! They have PLENTY of campos, too, and also live the campesino "tierra adentro" lifestyle that seems to be the qualifier for some on here to be considered Cibaeño. They do not live in tiki huts, wear hula skirts and drink piña coladas all day just 'cuz they're close to the beach. Sheesh



Living in campos in DR is a poor qualifier to be a Cibaeño..if that's the case then all the campesinos everywhere else in the country are Cibaeños, too.


Well, the feeling is mutual regarding not being Cibaeño because you live by the ocean, when everything about you says and proves otherwise. I mentioned the campesino part because you keep referring so much to "tierra adentro" and the inhabitants there are, in fact, campesinos. FYI, several of these coastal towns that don't make the 'Cibaeño Cut" are also surrounded by mountainous regions, since some of you are so hell bent on the "mountains/tierra adentro" moniker so much.

I have friends from Puerto Plata that never say that they are from el cibao...
If you have driven all over DR like I have you can tell when you have stepped back into el Cibao. I do not even have to know what town I am in, I could feel it. Only a true cibaeno will feel this


A true Cibaeño would acknowledge otherwise and knows that there is more to the Cibao then the valley region. I don't need another person's approval to determine who I am or what my family is. I have heard plenty of folks from from Pueito Plata say they're not Cibaeños, yet they can't even say PueRto Plata, it's Pueito Plata. They can call themselves whatever they want the proof is in the pudding.
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The map you see above is strictly a geopolitical demarcation which has been labeled "Cibao" is misleading and has little to do with the authentic regional cultural identity of the Cibaeño.


ominican+Republic;sortub_Date,Pub_List_No,Series_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=11&trs=24" target="_blank">http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~34413~1180043?qvq=qominican+Republic;sortub_Date,Pub_List_No,Series_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=11&trs=24

Take a look at this French made Map of the entire island and notice how far the Plains o Llanos de la Vega Real expanded. All the way to Samaná Bay Again, I think that what is "El Cibao" is subject to time and place. And the areas or sectors/divisions once large and over encompassing have gained more differentiation as modernization and development has progressed.



We had a vaery heated discussion on this before...I don't want to ruffle any feathers..but again, If you live near the beach, not from the cibao...if you live near the border, tampoco...if you live south of Bonao (la puerta del Cibao entrando por la capital), eres sureño.



Sorry Cib, just like I told xwill, please take a trip to towns of Cabrera, Rio San Juan, Gaspar Hernandez and Nagua and see for yourself if these people do not represent what you would consider to be Cibaeño culture. You might be surprised.



I've frequented those towns many times in my life..sorry, pero eso no es el Cibao. El Cibaeño no vive a la vera de playa, somo gente de TIERRA ADENTRO, lomeros, etc.. That the people there have affinities to us..given..it's not like they're located in some other country after all...but certainly another region.


Really? You've been to those towns and you still think the same way? Okay, I guess you have the right to see things from your own perspective but to say that people from these towns only have mere 'affinities' and not the dialect, customs, mannerisms, physical appearance (i.e. strong European and Taino features) makes me doubt that you've really been to said places. By your standards, Fefita La Grande, Tatico Henriquez, El Cieguito de Nagua, El Prodigio, Geovanny Polanco who are all Cibaeños, turn out to be not "Cibaeño Enough" for you and those that think like you. I'll stick to facts and not opinions.


I also would have to side with Ciby75-Los verdaderos Cibaeños son de "Tierra Adentro" de la loma y de lo campo, the heart of the the DR. What this means is that those areas in, near or surrounding the Cibao Valley have traditionally been self-contained, isolated locations which had little to no contact with other parts of the country, let alone the outside world and over time developed their own unique and special regional blend to identify them as such.

We must remember that in the early days of the Republic it use to take up to 3 or more day to reach the capital city from Santiago and depending on the location another another few days, just to get to the center of town before heading off to Santo Domingo. So the whole ordeal could have easily taken up to a week if everything went as plan, meaning it was big deal to move around from one place to the next. If you lived in central Cibao you stayed home, worked the land and did not intermingle with anyone other then your own kind.

This is the reason why I have a problem or feel ambivalent about those coastal areas that many posters insist on considering it part of the "authentic Cibao." For example places like or similar to Puerto Plata have traditionally been a haven, a port of entry, for foreign immigrants from all over the world. Because of that there has been too many outside influences which automatically dilutes any trace of Cibaeño culture it may have had and negates the right to call themselves bonafide "Cibaeños."

For example Dominican General Gregorio Luperon although born in Pto. Plata was the son of a black British West Indies mother and although paternity is not clear, it is suspected that his father was also a foreign national. Many Cuban exiles arrived in the Dominican North coast in an attempt to excape the casualties of the war of independence. Cuban patriot Jose Marti landed in Monte Cristi and wrote the the "Manifesto of Montecristi" which help lauch the Cuban revolution. More recently Frank Rainieri, one of the pioneers of Punta Cana was also born in Puerto Plata but is actually of Italian ancestry. These are but a few examples of why coastal Dominican cities can not really be trully considered Cibaeño even if they display many Cibaeño characteristics.
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I think there are several discussion going on here and arguments based on each persons perceptions...


1.What is "El Cibao" the geographical region
2.What is " El Cibao adentro" in other words the core of el Cibao
3.What areas have Cibaeño culture (accent,music etc.)


Now all of us know that the central Cibao is in that triangle between Santiago ,La Vega Real and Espaillat ,from this triangle the cultural aspects extend to all of San Francisco and into la linea generally losing influence the further away you move from this ¨core¨area.

The Geographical region "El Cibao" is an artifical construct that has very little to do with the reality of culture and even personal indetification as "Cibaeños"

In my OPINION neither Dajabon nor Samana are "Cibaeños" though in some areas they might have some cultural influences from the region as they have cultural influences of other regions.


One aspect of being Cibaeños which some may not like to hear is that our names are almost exclusively Spanish or Portuguese ,with very few "nombres raros".. Perez,Martinez,Gonzalez ,Abreu,Ferreira,Diaz,Pimentel,Sanchez,Cruz etc Once you start seeing "nombres raros" it is because you have gone towards the coast and the influence of outside "foreign" cultures.


Anyhow ,I think that most of us are proud to be Cibaeños and our unique culture amd though we may disagree on the fine print we all agree on the bold text which is for the #1 region of the nation and the point of origin for the heart of DR!





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The map you see above is strictly a geopolitical demarcation which has been labeled "Cibao" is misleading and has little to do with the authentic regional cultural identity of the Cibaeño.


ominican+Republic;sortub_Date,Pub_List_No,Series_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=11&trs=24" target="_blank">http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~34413~1180043?qvq=qominican+Republic;sortub_Date,Pub_List_No,Series_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=11&trs=24

Take a look at this French made Map of the entire island and notice how far the Plains o Llanos de la Vega Real expanded. All the way to Samaná Bay Again, I think that what is "El Cibao" is subject to time and place. And the areas or sectors/divisions once large and over encompassing have gained more differentiation as modernization and development has progressed.



We had a vaery heated discussion on this before...I don't want to ruffle any feathers..but again, If you live near the beach, not from the cibao...if you live near the border, tampoco...if you live south of Bonao (la puerta del Cibao entrando por la capital), eres sureño.



Sorry Cib, just like I told xwill, please take a trip to towns of Cabrera, Rio San Juan, Gaspar Hernandez and Nagua and see for yourself if these people do not represent what you would consider to be Cibaeño culture. You might be surprised.



I've frequented those towns many times in my life..sorry, pero eso no es el Cibao. El Cibaeño no vive a la vera de playa, somo gente de TIERRA ADENTRO, lomeros, etc.. That the people there have affinities to us..given..it's not like they're located in some other country after all...but certainly another region.


Really? You've been to those towns and you still think the same way? Okay, I guess you have the right to see things from your own perspective but to say that people from these towns only have mere 'affinities' and not the dialect, customs, mannerisms, physical appearance (i.e. strong European and Taino features) makes me doubt that you've really been to said places. By your standards, Fefita La Grande, Tatico Henriquez, El Cieguito de Nagua, El Prodigio, Geovanny Polanco who are all Cibaeños, turn out to be not "Cibaeño Enough" for you and those that think like you. I'll stick to facts and not opinions.


I also would have to side with Ciby75-Los verdaderos Cibaeños son de "Tierra Adentro" de la loma y de lo campo, the heart of the the DR. What this means is that those areas in, near or surrounding the Cibao Valley have traditionally been self-contained, isolated locations which had little to no contact with other parts of the country, let alone the outside world and over time developed their own unique and special regional blend to identify them as such.

We must remember that in the early days of the Republic it use to take up to 3 or more day to reach the capital city from Santiago and depending on the location another another few days, just to get to the center of town before heading off to Santo Domingo. So the whole ordeal could have easily taken up to a week if everything went as plan, meaning it was big deal to move around from one place to the next. If you lived in central Cibao you stayed home, worked the land and did not intermingle with anyone other then your own kind.

This is the reason why I have a problem or feel ambivalent about those coastal areas that many posters insist on considering it part of the "authentic Cibao." For example places like or similar to Puerto Plata have traditionally been a haven, a port of entry, for foreign immigrants from all over the world. Because of that there has been too many outside influences which automatically dilutes any trace of Cibaeño culture it may have had and negates the right to call themselves bonafide "Cibaeños."

For example Dominican General Gregorio Luperon although born in Pto. Plata was the son of a black British West Indies mother and although paternity is not clear, it is suspected that his father was also a foreign national. Many Cuban exiles arrived in the Dominican North coast in an attempt to excape the casualties of the war of independence. Cuban patriot Jose Marti landed in Monte Cristi and wrote the the "Manifesto of Montecristi which help lauch the Cuban revolution. More recently Frank Rainieri, one of the pioneer of Punta Cana was also born in Puerto Plata but is actually of Italian ancestry. These are but a few examples of why coastal Dominican cities can not really be trully considered Cibaeño even if they display many Cibaeño characteristics.

Guille ,I think we were writing at the same time ...I see we coincide that the foreign influences make the coastal areas less "criollo" ..
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EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope they get it this time.
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I think there are several discussion going on here and arguments based on each persons perceptions...


1.What is "El Cibao" the geographical region
2.What is " El Cibao adentro" in other words the core of el Cibao
3.What areas have Cibaeño culture (accent,music etc.)


Now all of us know that the central Cibao is in that triangle between Santiago ,La Vega Real and Espaillat ,from this triangle the cultural aspects extend to all of San Francisco and into la linea generally losing influence the further away you move from this ¨core¨area.

The Geographical region "El Cibao" is an artifical construct that has very little to do with the reality of culture and even personal indetification as "Cibaeños"

In my OPINION neither Dajabon nor Samana are "Cibaeños" though in some areas they might have some cultural influences from the region as they have cultural influences of other regions.


One aspect of being Cibaeños which some may not like to hear is that our names are almost exclusively Spanish or Portuguese ,with very few "nombres raros".. Perez,Martinez,Gonzalez ,Abreu,Ferreira,Diaz,Pimentel,Sanchez,Cruz etc Once you start seeing "nombres raros" it is because you have gone towards the coast and the influence of outside "foreign" cultures.


Anyhow ,I think that most of us are proud to be Cibaeños and our unique culture amd though we may disagree on the fine print we all agree on the bold text which is for the #1 region of the nation and the point of origin for the heart of DR!







I don't even like to land at any other airport except El Cibao International!!! Any time that I leave el Cibao to go some where in the south or east I feel like getting back to El Cibao ASAP!
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#118 - Posted 24 January 2011, 5:30 PM
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The Espaillat province (whose capital is Moca) is on a coastline, and nobody on his/her right mind would dare question their cibaenoness.
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The map you see above is strictly a geopolitical demarcation which has been labeled "Cibao" is misleading and has little to do with the authentic regional cultural identity of the Cibaeño.


ominican+Republic;sortub_Date,Pub_List_No,Series_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=11&trs=24" target="_blank">http://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~34413~1180043?qvq=qominican+Republic;sortub_Date,Pub_List_No,Series_No;lc:RUMSEY~8~1&mi=11&trs=24

Take a look at this French made Map of the entire island and notice how far the Plains o Llanos de la Vega Real expanded. All the way to Samaná Bay Again, I think that what is "El Cibao" is subject to time and place. And the areas or sectors/divisions once large and over encompassing have gained more differentiation as modernization and development has progressed.



We had a vaery heated discussion on this before...I don't want to ruffle any feathers..but again, If you live near the beach, not from the cibao...if you live near the border, tampoco...if you live south of Bonao (la puerta del Cibao entrando por la capital), eres sureño.



Sorry Cib, just like I told xwill, please take a trip to towns of Cabrera, Rio San Juan, Gaspar Hernandez and Nagua and see for yourself if these people do not represent what you would consider to be Cibaeño culture. You might be surprised.



I've frequented those towns many times in my life..sorry, pero eso no es el Cibao. El Cibaeño no vive a la vera de playa, somo gente de TIERRA ADENTRO, lomeros, etc.. That the people there have affinities to us..given..it's not like they're located in some other country after all...but certainly another region.


Really? You've been to those towns and you still think the same way? Okay, I guess you have the right to see things from your own perspective but to say that people from these towns only have mere 'affinities' and not the dialect, customs, mannerisms, physical appearance (i.e. strong European and Taino features) makes me doubt that you've really been to said places. By your standards, Fefita La Grande, Tatico Henriquez, El Cieguito de Nagua, El Prodigio, Geovanny Polanco who are all Cibaeños, turn out to be not "Cibaeño Enough" for you and those that think like you. I'll stick to facts and not opinions.


I also would have to side with Ciby75-Los verdaderos Cibaeños son de "Tierra Adentro" de la loma y de lo campo, the heart of the the DR. What this means is that those areas in, near or surrounding the Cibao Valley have traditionally been self-contained, isolated locations which had little to no contact with other parts of the country, let alone the outside world and over time developed their own unique and special regional blend to identify them as such.

We must remember that in the early days of the Republic it use to take up to 3 or more day to reach the capital city from Santiago and depending on the location another another few days, just to get to the center of town before heading off to Santo Domingo. So the whole ordeal could have easily taken up to a week if everything went as plan, meaning it was big deal to move around from one place to the next. If you lived in central Cibao you stayed home, worked the land and did not intermingle with anyone other then your own kind.

This is the reason why I have a problem or feel ambivalent about those coastal areas that many posters insist on considering it part of the "authentic Cibao." For example places like or similar to Puerto Plata have traditionally been a haven, a port of entry, for foreign immigrants from all over the world. Because of that there has been too many outside influences which automatically dilutes any trace of Cibaeño culture it may have had and negates the right to call themselves bonafide "Cibaeños."

For example Dominican General Gregorio Luperon although born in Pto. Plata was the son of a black British West Indies mother and although paternity is not clear, it is suspected that his father was also a foreign national. Many Cuban exiles arrived in the the Dominican North coast in an attempt to excape the casualties of the war of independence. Cuban patriot Jose Marti landed in Monte Cristi and wrote the the "Manifesto of Montecristi which help lauch the Cuban revolution. More recently Frank Rainieri, one of the pioneer of Punta Cana was also born in Puerto Plata but is actually of Italian ancestry. These are but a few examples of why coastal Dominican cities can not really be trully considered Cibaeño even if they display many Cibaeño characteristics.


I don't see how Jose Marti is relevant to this discussion but anyway:

So, based on a few specific cases you're ruling out the majority of the population? I don't share your view obviously because the coastal towns I have referred to whether you, Cibaeño75, xwill7, et. al want to agree with me or not, the people of these towns do share the characteristics of a Cibaeño down to the way they look, talk, mannerisms, traditions, expressions, you name it. Something I find amusing is that some on here seem to have a total disregard to the fact that places like Puerto Plata are a province and not just a coastal town; but yes, I agree that the coastal areas/tourist areas of Puerto Plata are probably more watered-down when it comes to true Cibaeño culture because they've been such popular tourist destinations for a long time and now have many German, Canadian, Jewish residents but please do not paint all other coastal towns that are rightfully part of El Cibao with the same brush. That is why I am skeptical when some mention that they have in fact visited these places, because their is no possible way that someone could go to Nagua and/or Cabrera and say that those places are not Cibaeño. It's just plain inaccurate and not to mention WRONG.
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RE: Cibao question
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Lautaro previously said:

The Espaillat province (whose capital is Moca) is on a coastline, and nobody on his/her right mind would dare question their cibaenoness.


Thank you Lord Jesus! And you too, Lautaro!!
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