#41 - Posted 22 January 2011, 1:17 AM
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Cibaeno culture exists all over the north of the DR, including Samana and Dajabon, it just get's more diluted as you leave the central cibao. Each sub-region of el cibao has it's own interpretation of Cibaeno culture. Would you say Loiza isn't part of Puerto Rico because they aren't exactly the same as Jibaros?
Edited on 1/22/2011 1:21 AM by Bonaoisimo.
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#42 - Posted 22 January 2011, 1:33 AM
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While we're on the topic of El Cibao. I wonder what you people think about the following suggestion of a rail-link from El Cibao to Haiti. Please don't allow others to devalue the conversation/discussion with anti-this and anti that. Good or bad idea and substantiate your opinions.

NORDESTE
Piden un ferrocarril que conecte al Cibao con Haití




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El Consejo Regional de Desarrollo (CRD), con sede en San Francisco de Macorís, solicitó al presidente Leonel Fernández aprovechar su visita a la India para concertar un acuerdo con el gobierno de esa nación, para la construcción de un ferrocarril internacional que iría desde el nordeste del país hacia Haití.

Sugirió al mandatario tomar en cuenta la disposición del Estado hindú de financiar y manejar la vía de comunicación para contribuir con el desarrollo del país y a la vez estrechar los vínculos comerciales con Haití, Puerto Rico y otros países vecinos.

El organismo de la región nordeste señaló que desde hace varios años el prediseño y los estudios realizados para el levantamiento del ferrocarril se encuentran en el Estado de la India, tras haber sido solicitada una evaluación sobre el impacto que tendría la obra para la economía del país.

Precisó que la instalación de este ferrocarril contribuiría a disminuir sustancialmente el dinero que se invierte en el mantenimiento y reconstrucción de las vías de comunicaciones “las cuales al tener un menor uso no serían afectadas con el preocupante nivel de deterioro que se produce en ellas, pese a las inversiones que hacen los gobiernos para mantenerlas en condiciones adecuadas”. Jaime Marizan, Adams Paredes, Víctor Almánzar, Carlos Guzmán, Luis Abukarma, Manuel Yapor, Frank Sánchez, Luchy Sánchez y Ramón Ureña Torres, en representación de la entidad, consideran que la pronta ejecución de la vía férrea internacional sería “una columna esencial que motorizará el desarrollo y el progreso humano”.

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Resaltaron que el ferrocarril es importante por los factores de distancia y tiempo desde cualquier punto del Cibao hacia los diversos puertos y aeropuertos, además de que permitiría abrir una nueva etapa en el mercado externo mediante la distribución rápida de los productos agrícolas.

“El CRD sugiere al presidente Fernández establecer como parte del acuerdo sugerido, determinar la factibilidad de comunicación en un futuro de Puerto Rico al ferrocarril, a través de la línea de interconexión con la región este y además ponderar su expansión hacia otras islas del Caribe”, expusieron.

Expresaron que de acuerdo al diseño elaborado para la obra, el ferrocarril que uniría a República Dominicana y Haití, además de que será una vía de comunicación que enlazará en forma eficaz a ambas naciones, está concebida para contribuir al progreso humano, el crecimiento de las relaciones comerciales y el desarrollo de ambos países.

“El diseño realizado para su construcción contempla entrelazar por medio uno de los ramales de la vía férrea a las regiones sur y este de República Dominicana, así como el Distrito Nacional y la provincia Santo Domingo, con la línea principal que recorrerá las regiones nordeste, norcentral y el noroeste hasta llegar a la República de Haití”, argumentaron.

Además, las regiones sur y este del país se empalmarían al sistema ferroviario modernizando las líneas de los ferrocarriles de los ingenios ubicadas en esas zonas.

“También se contempla por la región sur una línea que se conecte con Puerto Príncipe y los muelles de Sans Souci, Haina, y Punta Caucedo”, destacaron.
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#43 - Posted 22 January 2011, 2:31 AM
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Why isn't Dajabon part of el Cibao? also WHY is Samana part of el Cibao if it's populated by former-US-slaves and not our hispanic demographics?



I never heard of Samana being part of el cibao... Dajabon es la border town... El cibao is Santiago and its near by towns...



When one looks at maps of el cibao everything above bonao is included, which is what prompted my question.

Here's another question, why is dajabon and samana included in the map if according to you guys it isn't part of el Cibao
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#44 - Posted 22 January 2011, 2:33 AM
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Why isn't Dajabon part of el Cibao? also WHY is Samana part of el Cibao if it's populated by former-US-slaves and not our hispanic demographics?





Dajabon is nowhere near the Cibao valley and not even the people from Samana consider themelves Cibaeños (they are not).


I have seen the valley in a map and it extends all the way into haiti proper... I'll find the map and post it!
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#45 - Posted 22 January 2011, 2:34 AM
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Why isn't Dajabon part of el Cibao? also WHY is Samana part of el Cibao if it's populated by former-US-slaves and not our hispanic demographics?





Dajabon is nowhere near the Cibao valley and not even the people from Samana consider themelves Cibaeños (they are not).

Cib,
This guy almost made me spill my drink with that comment... Talk about knowing nothing about DR


Sorry if i don't share your cibao-centralist mentality, I'd take you on the DR and any country of the WORLD on any given day!



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#46 - Posted 22 January 2011, 2:39 AM
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Cibaegno75

I think mr Atabey explains it best with this map. Do you know anyone from Dajabon or Samana does/n't considered him self cibaegno? I think the answer is up to them if one take a look at the map below.




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#47 - Posted 22 January 2011, 9:51 AM
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Here's another question, why is dajabon and samana included in the map if according to you guys it isn't part of el Cibao



As aforementioned by other posters that map is a geopolitical map. No one went around asking people if they consider themselves Cibaenos.

Dajabon and Samana to me have their own histories and (outside) influences. Dajabon is the last stop of la linea and Samana is it's own microcosm, the peninsula almost an island unto itself. I certainly did not feel like I was in El Cibao while in Samana last year.

As for the Nagua question, it seems to be the exception to the rule (and there is usually one).
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#48 - Posted 22 January 2011, 10:34 AM
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Here's another question, why is dajabon and samana included in the map if according to you guys it isn't part of el Cibao



As aforementioned by other posters that map is a geopolitical map. No one went around asking people if they consider themselves Cibaenos.

Dajabon and Samana to me have their own histories and (outside) influences. Dajabon is the last stop of la linea and Samana is it's own microcosm, the peninsula almost an island unto itself. I certainly did not feel like I was in El Cibao while in Samana last year.

As for the Nagua question, it seems to be the exception to the rule (and there is usually one).


Just curious, what outside culture does Dajabon have? Dajaboneros do not have some mixed haitian-dominican culture.

And the entire Linea was populated by central cibaenos, it was basically unpopulated until recently
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#49 - Posted 22 January 2011, 10:38 AM
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Cibaegno75

I think mr Atabey explains it best with this map. Do you know anyone from Dajabon or Samana does/n't considered him self cibaegno? I think the answer is up to them if one take a look at the map below.







That map should say "Oriental" instead of "Occidental" when referring to the eastern zone.
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#50 - Posted 22 January 2011, 10:42 AM
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@the scrotum hugging troll

The outside influence portion was for Samana, but instead of asking for clarity you merely try your usual nonsense. You've said yourself that Dajaboneros don't consider themselves cibaenos, case in point. You also said further up that the culture is diluted anyway the further you go out, a point I agree with. Case closed.

I don't care where our regional culture seeped out to, geopolitical maps, supposed racial/phenotypical make up of regions, or that some people in some places replace the "r" with the "i" once in a while, I only care where our culture is strongest and where it originated (the areas where my family hail from).
Edited on 1/22/2011 10:43 AM by ElTorodeiCibao.
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