| #81 - Posted 24 January 2011, 11:50 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 7639 | RE: Cibao question Quote: Bonaoisimo previously said: Guillermone: cibao does not equal campesino, if that was the case than all northern campesinos would be cibaenos. and most people in "central cibao" live in urban areas. It all depends on how the context of the word "campesino" is being used. You can be from "el campo" and not be campesino and just because you are a Dominican campesino does not automatically make you Cibaeño. However, if you are culturally Cibaeño, not by adoption but rather, by birth or ancestry, it is a given that your prideful origins are campesino, no ifs, ands or buts. However, what people need to understand and have missed all along is that authentic Cibaeño culture started in the hills, mountains and country side of central Cibao. It is a fact like 1+1= 2 and can not be argued. Now if that influence spread out to other parts of the country due to social acceptance or as a result of advancements in a transportation which made the region less isolated, now that is something else. It does not necessarily mean that in every case the origins are "Cibaeño" just because they portray characteristics to identify them as such. For example if hypthetically speaking a population of Japanese citizens decided for what ever reason to give up sushi and started to eat arrrró y bichuela, alcapurrrrrria, pasteles, mofongo, cook gandinga, dance salsa and plena and listen to Jibarito de Lares songs, drive un carrrro Chevorolet Impala, it does not automatically make them Puerto Rican Jibaros. At least not in every case, which is more or less the argument I keep hearing repeated over and over again by many posters. Edited on 1/24/2011 11:53 AM by guillermone. |
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| #82 - Posted 24 January 2011, 12:33 PM | |
Location: United States, In your mind Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1042 Posts: 880 | RE: Cibao question Quote: xwill7 previously said: Your map is old and is not correct. I have never hear of anyone from any coastal town say "yo soy dei cibao" I suggest you take a trip to Cabrera, Rio San Juan, Nagua and Gaspar Hernandez and come back and make the same claim, you won't "Those who do not hate their own selfishness and regard themselves as more important than the rest of the world are blind because the truth lies elsewhere" - Blaise Pascal |
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| #83 - Posted 24 January 2011, 12:36 PM | |
Location: United States, In your mind Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1042 Posts: 880 | RE: Cibao question Quote: yumnuk3 previously said: Quote: JEM237 previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: xwill7 previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: CarlosFranco previously said: Why isn't Dajabon part of el Cibao? also WHY is Samana part of el Cibao if it's populated by former-US-slaves and not our hispanic demographics? Dajabon is nowhere near the Cibao valley and not even the people from Samana consider themelves Cibaeños (they are not). Cib, This guy almost made me spill my drink with that comment... Mr. Franco knows a thing or two... BTW..before someone chimes in...el Cibaeño no vive a la vera del mar!! I beg to differ. So, you're saying that people from Nagua, Cabrera and Rio San Juan are not from El Cibao because they live by the ocean, although their customs, dialect and physical attributes are all from El Cibao? Jem237, Don't worry, you have El Ciego De Nagua to prove your point. Thanks, Yum! Don't forget El Prodigio, too! "Those who do not hate their own selfishness and regard themselves as more important than the rest of the world are blind because the truth lies elsewhere" - Blaise Pascal |
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| #85 - Posted 24 January 2011, 12:55 PM | |
Location: United States, In your mind Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1042 Posts: 880 | RE: Cibao question Quote: Atabey previously said: Quote: Agilucho previously said: Nagua has the culture, that's for sure. A more expansive view of "El Cibao" is historically speaking closer to the truth. "El Cibao Adentro" is another sub-theme, and refers the to inner recesses or "los campos de Santiago" the nerve center of the region. Musically referenced, the term applies to Tactico Henriguez de Nagua and El Ceiguito de Nagua y El Ceiguito de Jacagua y Fefita la Grande de La Linea. Hey Atabey, I think this map conveys what you're trying to say, although I do agree with others on here that Samana should not be considered part of El Cibao although it is located in the region because I find it to be more closely related to Cocolo culture than typical Cibaeño culture: ![]() Edited on 1/24/2011 1:01 PM by JEM237. "Those who do not hate their own selfishness and regard themselves as more important than the rest of the world are blind because the truth lies elsewhere" - Blaise Pascal |
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| #86 - Posted 24 January 2011, 1:41 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: January 2011 Member #: 6859 Posts: 70 | RE: Cibao question Quote: JEM237 previously said: Quote: xwill7 previously said: Your map is old and is not correct. I have never hear of anyone from any coastal town say "yo soy dei cibao" I suggest you take a trip to Cabrera, Rio San Juan, Nagua and Gaspar Hernandez and come back and make the same claim, you won't You're right, according to this video. |
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| #87 - Posted 24 January 2011, 3:07 PM | |
Location: United States, Brooklyn Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 3076 | RE: Cibao question Quote: JEM237 previously said: ![]() Jenny, The Educator! Keep it up prima! |
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| #90 - Posted 24 January 2011, 3:20 PM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 16342 | RE: Cibao question Quote: JEM237 previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: Quote: Agilucho previously said: Nagua has the culture, that's for sure. A more expansive view of "El Cibao" is historically speaking closer to the truth. "El Cibao Adentro" is another sub-theme, and refers the to inner recesses or "los campos de Santiago" the nerve center of the region. Musically referenced, the term applies to Tactico Henriguez de Nagua and El Ceiguito de Nagua y El Ceiguito de Jacagua y Fefita la Grande de La Linea. Hey Atabey, I think this map conveys what you're trying to say, although I do agree with others on here that Samana should not be considered part of El Cibao although it is located in the region because I find it to be more closely related to Cocolo culture than typical Cibaeño culture: ![]() Excellent JEM237. This map above is more detailed but is steadfast in the general overview of the historical El Cibao Region. Modernization and migratory movements have blurred some important distinctions, but El Cibao is not a narrow geographical concept en el país. "Cibao adentro" is but a sub-set of the generalized statement of geographic fact. Thanks again, JEM237 I think we have two camps emerging on this issue: 1. The Generalist or Regionalism Camp. 2. The Exclusivist or Parochialism Camp. Count me as part of the first group. Edited on 1/24/2011 3:30 PM by Atabey. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck William Arthur Ward - "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails. |
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