Road Infrastructure in the Dominican Republic | Avenues, Roads, Bridges, Overpasses, Underpasses - Santo Domingo

RE: Santo Domingo | Road Infrastructure | Avenues, Roads, Bridges, Overpasses, Underpasses

I don't own a car. I try and walk everywhere or sometimes use a small motorcycle This may be replaced by an electric bicycle soon. Approx 5-700 dollar investment.

S.

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curios1 previously said:

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abc200 previously said:

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Atabey previously said:

Congestion tolls and parking fees will happen and increase over time. The maintenance budget will need to increase significantly to maintain the efficiency of the growing road system. So in due time this will happen ABC. Now on to your point of buses and other forms of mass transit options: yes, these options are needed and as with the Metro System will come about BECAUSE the need will generate its advent

Likewise with greater educational achievement Dominicans will develop more ecologically balanced lives. But that will take time, the pent up demand for material goods and services must be addressed before that happens. And in some cases, as I've found out via friendships, the overall stigma and denial of access to mass consumer goods and services can have long term duration-live long duration in too many cases

So some Dominicans will beat the habit and opt for a "less is more" conception of life; but others, I'm sure will die thinking they can really take it with them.

Really the best alternative is to close roads. The bus lanes and metro should compensate.
It is pointless having fights every day in the city over parkig spaces and the normal streets of the city cluttered with junk cars. Many large cities exist and thrive without overpasses and underpasses etc.

The country pays an enormous penalty importig cars and gasoline, Also environental damage and damage to tourism.

Car ownership should be on the basis of need, purchase of parking space and auctions such as in Singapore,
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Car ownership in Singapore involves the following:

A recent Straits Times article explains the costs of car ownership in Singapore.

A car starts with an OMV (Open Market Value). This is determined by Customs, and takes into account the cost price, freight, insurance, handling plus whatever.

Added to that is:

•ARF (Additional Registration Fee): 110% of OMV
•COE (Certificate of Entitlement): You have to have this before you can buy a car. The price is determined by an aucttion system. Currently the COE for a Corolla is around $10000.
•Excise Duty: 45% of OMV
•GST (Good & Services Tax): 5% of cost including excise duty
•Registration Tax: $140
•Road tax: $1000 per year for a Corolla
•Transfer fee: 2% of the vehicle’s value
Whew! So our $20,000 Corolla can grow to $75000 with all the extras.

Added to that is:

•ERP (Electronic Road Pricing): A clever system that removes money from a cashcard as you drive under a gantry. Used duing peak hours for controlling traffic flow – oh, and gaining revenue.
•Fuel costs: Around $1.40 a litre
•Maintenance: Ever tried to service a modern car? Ya gotta pay someone to do it.
•Tyres: They change them every year
•And so on…

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DR faces much the same problems as Singapore.

I don't know why 'E' is pushing roads all the time. I express the view that they are mostly undesirable and unnecessary in the urban space.

Certainly Santo Domingo becomes less attractive as more roads are built and this adversly affects all people who live there.

Road closures , not building should be celebrated.

S.

i'm curios ABC what condition is your car in? and what does it cost you to own and operate? and do you fight over parking space?

#112 - Posted 25 September 2011, 2:26 AM
CarlosFranco Location: United States, Brooklyn Join date: December 2007 Member #: 40 Posts: 3077	RE: Santo Domingo \| Road Infrastructure \| Avenues, Roads, Bridges, Overpasses, Underpasses Quote: abc200 previously said: I don't own a car. I try and walk everywhere or sometimes use a small motorcycle This may be replaced by an electric bicycle soon. Approx 5-700 dollar investment. S. Quote: curios1 previously said: Quote: abc200 previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: Congestion tolls and parking fees will happen and increase over time. The maintenance budget will need to increase significantly to maintain the efficiency of the growing road system. So in due time this will happen ABC. Now on to your point of buses and other forms of mass transit options: yes, these options are needed and as with the Metro System will come about BECAUSE the need will generate its advent Likewise with greater educational achievement Dominicans will develop more ecologically balanced lives. But that will take time, the pent up demand for material goods and services must be addressed before that happens. And in some cases, as I've found out via friendships, the overall stigma and denial of access to mass consumer goods and services can have long term duration-live long duration in too many cases So some Dominicans will beat the habit and opt for a "less is more" conception of life; but others, I'm sure will die thinking they can really take it with them. Really the best alternative is to close roads. The bus lanes and metro should compensate. It is pointless having fights every day in the city over parkig spaces and the normal streets of the city cluttered with junk cars. Many large cities exist and thrive without overpasses and underpasses etc. The country pays an enormous penalty importig cars and gasoline, Also environental damage and damage to tourism. Car ownership should be on the basis of need, purchase of parking space and auctions such as in Singapore, " Car ownership in Singapore involves the following: A recent Straits Times article explains the costs of car ownership in Singapore. A car starts with an OMV (Open Market Value). This is determined by Customs, and takes into account the cost price, freight, insurance, handling plus whatever. Added to that is: •ARF (Additional Registration Fee): 110% of OMV •COE (Certificate of Entitlement): You have to have this before you can buy a car. The price is determined by an aucttion system. Currently the COE for a Corolla is around $10000. •Excise Duty: 45% of OMV •GST (Good & Services Tax): 5% of cost including excise duty •Registration Tax: $140 •Road tax: $1000 per year for a Corolla •Transfer fee: 2% of the vehicle’s value Whew! So our $20,000 Corolla can grow to $75000 with all the extras. Added to that is: •ERP (Electronic Road Pricing): A clever system that removes money from a cashcard as you drive under a gantry. Used duing peak hours for controlling traffic flow – oh, and gaining revenue. •Fuel costs: Around $1.40 a litre •Maintenance: Ever tried to service a modern car? Ya gotta pay someone to do it. •Tyres: They change them every year •And so on… " DR faces much the same problems as Singapore. I don't know why 'E' is pushing roads all the time. I express the view that they are mostly undesirable and unnecessary in the urban space. Certainly Santo Domingo becomes less attractive as more roads are built and this adversly affects all people who live there. Road closures , not building should be celebrated. S. i'm curios ABC what condition is your car in? and what does it cost you to own and operate? and do you fight over parking space? Motorcycle or Motoconcho?
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#111 - Posted 25 September 2011, 2:22 AM
abc200 Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10609	RE: Santo Domingo \| Road Infrastructure \| Avenues, Roads, Bridges, Overpasses, Underpasses I don't own a car. I try and walk everywhere or sometimes use a small motorcycle This may be replaced by an electric bicycle soon. Approx 5-700 dollar investment. S. Quote: curios1 previously said: Quote: abc200 previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: Congestion tolls and parking fees will happen and increase over time. The maintenance budget will need to increase significantly to maintain the efficiency of the growing road system. So in due time this will happen ABC. Now on to your point of buses and other forms of mass transit options: yes, these options are needed and as with the Metro System will come about BECAUSE the need will generate its advent Likewise with greater educational achievement Dominicans will develop more ecologically balanced lives. But that will take time, the pent up demand for material goods and services must be addressed before that happens. And in some cases, as I've found out via friendships, the overall stigma and denial of access to mass consumer goods and services can have long term duration-live long duration in too many cases So some Dominicans will beat the habit and opt for a "less is more" conception of life; but others, I'm sure will die thinking they can really take it with them. Really the best alternative is to close roads. The bus lanes and metro should compensate. It is pointless having fights every day in the city over parkig spaces and the normal streets of the city cluttered with junk cars. Many large cities exist and thrive without overpasses and underpasses etc. The country pays an enormous penalty importig cars and gasoline, Also environental damage and damage to tourism. Car ownership should be on the basis of need, purchase of parking space and auctions such as in Singapore, " Car ownership in Singapore involves the following: A recent Straits Times article explains the costs of car ownership in Singapore. A car starts with an OMV (Open Market Value). This is determined by Customs, and takes into account the cost price, freight, insurance, handling plus whatever. Added to that is: •ARF (Additional Registration Fee): 110% of OMV •COE (Certificate of Entitlement): You have to have this before you can buy a car. The price is determined by an aucttion system. Currently the COE for a Corolla is around $10000. •Excise Duty: 45% of OMV •GST (Good & Services Tax): 5% of cost including excise duty •Registration Tax: $140 •Road tax: $1000 per year for a Corolla •Transfer fee: 2% of the vehicle’s value Whew! So our $20,000 Corolla can grow to $75000 with all the extras. Added to that is: •ERP (Electronic Road Pricing): A clever system that removes money from a cashcard as you drive under a gantry. Used duing peak hours for controlling traffic flow – oh, and gaining revenue. •Fuel costs: Around $1.40 a litre •Maintenance: Ever tried to service a modern car? Ya gotta pay someone to do it. •Tyres: They change them every year •And so on… " DR faces much the same problems as Singapore. I don't know why 'E' is pushing roads all the time. I express the view that they are mostly undesirable and unnecessary in the urban space. Certainly Santo Domingo becomes less attractive as more roads are built and this adversly affects all people who live there. Road closures , not building should be celebrated. S. i'm curios ABC what condition is your car in? and what does it cost you to own and operate? and do you fight over parking space?
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#113 - Posted 25 September 2011, 2:40 AM
abc200 Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10609	RE: Santo Domingo \| Road Infrastructure \| Avenues, Roads, Bridges, Overpasses, Underpasses I own the motorcycle. $800 investment originally. About 3 dollars a week gas. S.
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#114 - Posted 25 September 2011, 7:57 AM
curios1 Location: United States, right where im standin Join date: November 2010 Member #: 6304 Posts: 1945	RE: Santo Domingo \| Road Infrastructure \| Avenues, Roads, Bridges, Overpasses, Underpasses well i'm still curios, what has made you decide to go through life with out a car ? thats just the way i roll
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#115 - Posted 25 September 2011, 8:52 AM
abc200 Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10609	RE: Santo Domingo \| Road Infrastructure \| Avenues, Roads, Bridges, Overpasses, Underpasses Quote: curios1 previously said: well i'm still curios, what has made you decide to go through life with out a car ? The car used to spend most of its life in the apartment car park in the UK. When moving to the DR I saw no need as its a small island with quite good bus services. Why cause all that pollution and import of gasoline? Pretty anti-social don't you think unless its a person with acutal need for a car; doctor, police etc. ? Buses/coaches also employ local people to drive and maintain them. S. Edited on 9/25/2011 9:02 AM by abc200.
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#116 - Posted 25 September 2011, 2:51 PM
curios1 Location: United States, right where im standin Join date: November 2010 Member #: 6304 Posts: 1945	RE: Santo Domingo \| Road Infrastructure \| Avenues, Roads, Bridges, Overpasses, Underpasses Quote: abc200 previously said: Quote: curios1 previously said: well i'm still curios, what has made you decide to go through life with out a car ? The car used to spend most of its life in the apartment car park in the UK. When moving to the DR I saw no need as its a small island with quite good bus services. Why cause all that pollution and import of gasoline? Pretty anti-social don't you think unless its a person with acutal need for a car; doctor, police etc. ? Buses/coaches also employ local people to drive and maintain them. S. i guess i will have to conclude that YOU chose not to own a car anymore. and just say it sure is nice to have chioces right?. cause it really gets anoying when someone is always trying to impose there will piont of view apon another,right? thats just the way i roll
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#117 - Posted 25 September 2011, 3:23 PM
abc200 Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10609	RE: Santo Domingo \| Road Infrastructure \| Avenues, Roads, Bridges, Overpasses, Underpasses Quote: curios1 previously said: Quote: abc200 previously said: Quote: curios1 previously said: well i'm still curios, what has made you decide to go through life with out a car ? The car used to spend most of its life in the apartment car park in the UK. When moving to the DR I saw no need as its a small island with quite good bus services. Why cause all that pollution and import of gasoline? Pretty anti-social don't you think unless its a person with acutal need for a car; doctor, police etc. ? Buses/coaches also employ local people to drive and maintain them. S. i guess i will have to conclude that YOU chose not to own a car anymore. and just say it sure is nice to have chioces right?. cause it really gets anoying when someone is always trying to impose there will piont of view apon another,right? Car owners not only impose their point of view on other people when they drive in cities - they also cause pollution, jams, degrade the environment with noise, cause loss of jobs by importing cars and fuel. This makes the Dominican economy non-competitive. E glorifies these creatures in their tin boxes on page after page - I just point out in a few posts the harm they do. Seems there is a certain lack of tolerance and fair discussion - right? S.
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#118 - Posted 25 September 2011, 6:56 PM
curios1 Location: United States, right where im standin Join date: November 2010 Member #: 6304 Posts: 1945	RE: Santo Domingo \| Road Infrastructure \| Avenues, Roads, Bridges, Overpasses, Underpasses i only see pictures she post. i dont reed where she says this is the way to go. maybe she will post a photo just special for us, and we can both stare at it for a while, and then give ower opinoin on just what it is she is trying to tell us. thats just the way i roll
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#119 - Posted 25 September 2011, 9:03 PM
abc200 Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10609	RE: Santo Domingo \| Road Infrastructure \| Avenues, Roads, Bridges, Overpasses, Underpasses Quote: curios1 previously said: i only see pictures she post. i dont reed where she says this is the way to go. maybe she will post a photo just special for us, and we can both stare at it for a while, and then give ower opinoin on just what it is she is trying to tell us. She posts no pictures of the problems its true. No pictures of parking arguments. No pictures of the unemployed that can't find jobs due to the dollars going overseas to buy cars, overpasses, gasoline. Instead of the money being used for local produce, restuarants etc. No pictures of the hospital departments that deal with chest complaints of inner city residents. No pictures of the turned off tourists that don't visit the chaos of Santo Domingo. No pictures of the stallholders trying to sell local produce with stupid people in their tin cans interrupting their flow of customers. No pictures of young people dodging the traffic lights trying to sell phone cards at great hazard to their health.. No pictures of inadequate and overcrowded bus services that could be remedied for a fraction of the cost of her 4 lane highways. Just her supid idiot highway pictures that taken with a stupid camera demonstrate a way of life alien to most on the planet - and most in civilized democratic countries. S.
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#120 - Posted 25 September 2011, 9:23 PM
curios1 Location: United States, right where im standin Join date: November 2010 Member #: 6304 Posts: 1945	RE: Santo Domingo \| Road Infrastructure \| Avenues, Roads, Bridges, Overpasses, Underpasses WELL THERE YA GO. heres an opertunity for YOU to start a thread and post pictures of those problems. but you should take those pictures yourself and post them.and not some you find on the internet. i certanly would be interested. and just as interested as i am in her pictures. so get out that camera and show us your stuff. thats just the way i roll
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