Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? - Santo Domingo

#8 - Posted 16 February 2011, 3:13 PM
Atabey Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12104	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? Quote: ny4life previously said: The true desire of the Haitian people have been OFFICIALLY revealed by Michel Martelly. As a presidential candidate for the Haitian elections, he proposes that the Dominican Republic "opens the border" to Haitians for unification of the island as the solution to solve the MASSIVE ILLEGAL HAITIAN IMMIGRATION to the DR. His statements reveal the disrespect and disregard the Haitian people and authorities have for the people and soverignty of the Dominican Republic. The merging of both nations into one country is a Haitian ideal from Toussaint O'verture that failed when the Dominican Republic became independent from Haiti in 1844. Ever since then Haitians have attempted to invade the DR. This invasion continues today with the massive ILLEGAL and unchecked Immigration from Haiti. The Haitian authorities have never tried to contain the border. There are no border patrols or guards on the Haitian side, there are no authorities or will to stem the massive Immigration to the DR. Every time the DR excerises its soverign duty to deport ILLEGAL HAITIAN migrates there is a coordinated outcry from NGO's (Jesuits Groups, Amnesty International, OIM) Haitian authorities and now ILLEGAL Haitian migrats in the DR proclaiming RACISM, DISCRIMINATION, AND MISTREATMENT. These claims are continuously repeat to stop deportation with the hopes of retaining all ILLEGALS in the DR. A campaign that is heavily financed by the International community and in support by the major powers who seek to use the DR as an escape volve for the Haitian crisis. The Haitian people have always had a sense of entitlement and romanticisim with the Dominican Republic. A false sense of "brotherhood' between Haitians and Dominicans which ultimately seeks a forced unification of the island as one nation. Although we have undenialable similarities as we are natives of the same island. We also have unique cultural, religious, ideological, language, and demographical differences that are at the core the great distinction between both nations and people. These differences are to be respected and are what lead our founding fathers to fight for our independence against the Haitian oppressors in 1844. Now with the statements expressed by Michel Martelly in the Dominican Republic, the message is clear, he has support from the International Community (Bill Clinton, USA, Canada, France) to carry out an agenda that will adovocate for continual ILLEGAL immigration to DR with unity as the only way to stem the immigration. I think is time for citizens of the Dominican Republic to wake up and reject such an idea that is fundamentally flawed. It infringes on the soverign right of the Dominican Republic and dismisses the Dominican Constituition. The Dominican Republic is a free nation and like every free nation in the world has the right to enforce its laws. The note worthy detail will be what reaction this statement elicits from LF and his people. Will they categorically and diplomatically destroy his argument? Make Martelly's words DOA? Or will silence prevail among Leonel's gang and with it, the deep suspicion by some that this "deal" has already been struck? Only the largess to be divided and the countless petty "two-steps forward-three steps backward" policy regarding the massive influx from the Western side of the island? Interesting year ahead. If this flow continues for even one more year without systematic reversal in direction, you can count it as factual: the deal was struck And all that is needed is slowly working the DR population towards acceptance of the matter. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck
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RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti???

Perhaps this article explains what LF wants to do.

Industries debunk proposed tax break bill for Dominican-Haiti border Feb 16 at 4:42 PM

Santo Domingo.- The country’s biggest industries association (AIRD) on Wednesday called the idea of creating a Ministry of the Border and providing incentives for agribusiness, farms and metallurgical, free zone, tourism and energy companies that would start operating in that region of the country, “mistaken.”

“We’re a small country with relatively short distances, so to grant incentives to companies on their territorial location is not only a way to promote unfair competition, but also creates new problems that can lead installed companies to bankruptcy, tax disorder, influence peddling, among others evils which must be prevented,” said AIRD president Ligia Bonetti de Valiente in a statement.

She said she understands the concern of the border region legislators, especially senator Adriano Sanchez Roa, but notes that legislation must be based on the collective well-being. “The apparent well-being which the proposed bill in question seeks would undoubtedly become a disaster for other companies and something unviable for the Government itself.”

Bonetti said lawmakers should be more careful with legislation that seeks to obtain the well-being of the communities they represent, noting that the new bureaucracy AIRD affirms would be created in the effort to obtain better wages along the border is inadmissible. “How is it possible to consider a preferential rate on the foreign currencies required to import machinery and raw material for the companies in the border region, as if past lessons in that regard haven’t been learned and as if it was possible to control the myriad links which would spread with a measure of such nature.”

“The same would occur with the fuel used by those companies, which the proposed bill would treat in the same manner as the tax and preference rates granted to the power companies,” the business leader said, adding that, if as Sanchez notes, the current Border Development Agency cannot deal with the challenges of a self sustained development, “then a review of its attributes and organization are in order.”

I think it might work. But serious organizational skills have to be applied by each side. And the international Community has to extend enough credit and market access to achieve solid returns. A few billion dollars and this area might become the economic platform of the Caribbean. Remember that within this second largest island there are over 20 million people, almost twice as much as Cuba! So the human capital potential is there. All that needs to happen is solid organization and sound economic policies moving forward. But again, we have witnessed before how incorrigible groups of monopolistic domestic interests have done their best to deny the DR, and in this case Haiti too, her day in the Sun. I hope these interests are dwelt a harsh denial of service. In reality, they will have to be accommodated in some way so that the scheme is allowed a decent chance of development. Let's see what happens. LF could raise the stakes and say that this scheme forms part of the overall design to curtail and facilitate the counter-flow of migrants into DR.

Edited on 2/16/2011 5:00 PM by Atabey.

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#1 - Posted 16 February 2011, 9:51 AM
ny4life Location: United States, New York, NY Join date: December 2007 Member #: 16 Posts: 860	Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? SANTO DOMINGO - Haití y República Dominicana deben fusionarse y convertirse en un solo país para de esa manera frenar -de una vez y por todas- la masiva migración ilegal de haitianos hacia Santo Domingo, opinó el popular cantante Michel Martelly, candidato a la presidencia del vecino país.Martelly dijo que el drama haitiano es muy doloroso. "Los problemas de mi país se han agudizado más después del terrible terremoto que nos afectó el 12 de enero del pasado año", acotó el artista haitiano. Martelly declaró en una entrevista para el programa de televisión "Nuria", que conduce la periodista Nuria Piera, que las autoridades dominicanas deben "abrir la frontera" para que los haitianos entren libres a territorio nacional sin ser obstaculizados". Según el artista y político, Haití necesita una grandiosa transformación, pero dijo que "no es fácil...se necesitan varios años y mucha voluntad para que nuestro país pueda levantarse". Además, opinó que a su país no le conviene, por el momento, el regreso del ex presidente Jean Bertrand Aristide. "Creo que ni Aristide ni Jean Claude Duvalier deben estar en Haití...no es el tiempo para que ellos vivan en Haití y menos en este proceso electoral", apuntó el aspirante presidencial haitiano. Las elecciones de Haití están pautadas para celebrarse el 20 de marzo y Martelly asegura que será el nuevo jefe de Estado de la vecina nación de 11 millones de habitantes. Dijo que los haitianos están "hastiados" de los políticos tradicionales porque, según afirmó, no han podido -durante más de 50 años- solucionar los graves problemas que abaten a Haití. 1 Edited on 2/16/2011 3:15 PM by ny4life.
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#2 - Posted 16 February 2011, 10:44 AM
ny4life Location: United States, New York, NY Join date: December 2007 Member #: 16 Posts: 860	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? The true desire of the Haitian people have been OFFICIALLY revealed by Michel Martelly. As a presidential candidate for the Haitian elections, he proposes that the Dominican Republic "opens the border" to Haitians for unification of the island as the solution to solve the MASSIVE ILLEGAL HAITIAN IMMIGRATION to the DR. His statements reveal the disrespect and disregard the Haitian people and authorities have for the people and soverignty of the Dominican Republic. The merging of both nations into one country is a Haitian ideal from Toussaint O'verture that failed when the Dominican Republic became independent from Haiti in 1844. Ever since then Haitians have attempted to invade the DR. This invasion continues today with the massive ILLEGAL and unchecked Immigration from Haiti. The Haitian authorities have never tried to contain the border. There are no border patrols or guards on the Haitian side, there are no authorities or will to stem the massive Immigration to the DR. Every time the DR excerises its soverign duty to deport ILLEGAL HAITIAN migrates there is a coordinated outcry from NGO's (Jesuits Groups, Amnesty International, OIM) Haitian authorities and now ILLEGAL Haitian migrats in the DR proclaiming RACISM, DISCRIMINATION, AND MISTREATMENT. These claims are continuously repeat to stop deportation with the hopes of retaining all ILLEGALS in the DR. A campaign that is heavily financed by the International community and in support by the major powers who seek to use the DR as an escape volve for the Haitian crisis. The Haitian people have always had a sense of entitlement and romanticisim with the Dominican Republic. A false sense of "brotherhood' between Haitians and Dominicans which ultimately seeks a forced unification of the island as one nation. Although we have undenialable similarities as we are natives of the same island. We also have unique cultural, religious, ideological, language, and demographical differences that are at the core the great distinction between both nations and people. These differences are to be respected and are what lead our founding fathers to fight for our independence against the Haitian oppressors in 1844. Now with the statements expressed by Michel Martelly in the Dominican Republic, the message is clear, he has support from the International Community (Bill Clinton, USA, Canada, France) to carry out an agenda that will adovocate for continual ILLEGAL immigration to DR with unity as the only way to stem the immigration. I think is time for citizens of the Dominican Republic to wake up and reject such an idea that is fundamentally flawed. It infringes on the soverign right of the Dominican Republic and dismisses the Dominican Constituition. The Dominican Republic is a free nation and like every free nation in the world has the right to enforce its laws.
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#3 - Posted 16 February 2011, 11:15 AM
cabaretewilliam Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 6778	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? Interesting article....just wondering where the proof is that Canada supports this method of destroying the DR? Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander. Proverbs 17:4
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#4 - Posted 16 February 2011, 12:29 PM
USADR Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 1306	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? This is absurd. I haven't noticed any type of reaction to this so far.
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#5 - Posted 16 February 2011, 1:40 PM
mandoafrika54 Location: United States Join date: January 2011 Member #: 6850 Posts: 77	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? Quote: USADR previously said: This is absurd. I haven't noticed any type of reaction to this so far. Martelly declaró en una entrevista para el programa de televisión "Nuria", que conduce la periodista Nuria Piera, que las autoridades dominicanas deben "abrir la frontera" para que los haitianos entren libres a territorio nacional sin ser obstaculizados". I like Sweet Mickey's music but this ideology is ridiculous. I think Dominicans should ask Mr. Martelly to open his home doors so that people "can enter freely without obstacles".
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#6 - Posted 16 February 2011, 2:16 PM
guillermone Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 5804	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? My question is why does not Martelly suggest to the international community to do the same thing? What is good for the geese is good for the gander. It's along the same lines of "If you can't take it, don't dish it out." What ever you do to someone else, you should be willing to have it happen to you. So the US, Canada and France should also do the same, open the doors wide open and let the Haitians enter. Edited on 2/16/2011 2:22 PM by guillermone.
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#7 - Posted 16 February 2011, 3:09 PM
cabaretewilliam Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 6778	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? Quote: guillermone previously said: My question is why does not Martelly suggest to the international community to do the same thing? What is good for the geese is good for the gander. It's along the same lines of "If you can't take it, don't dish it out." What ever you do to someone else, you should be willing to have it happen to you. So the US, Canada and France should also do the same, open the doors wide open and let the Haitians enter. I know Canada has - our Gov. General for years was a Haitian lady......she is technically above the Prime Minister....the problem is the Hatians who cometo Canada to get educatedare often too selfish to go back to rebuild their own land....they stay to make money! Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander. Proverbs 17:4
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#9 - Posted 16 February 2011, 4:43 PM
ny4life Location: United States, New York, NY Join date: December 2007 Member #: 16 Posts: 860	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? Leonel Fernandez is clearly supporting this idea and he wants to be re-elected to carry out the agenda bestowed upon the DR by the world powers, the United States, Canada, and France. We'll see how LF reacts to the Haitian officials. I don't think he has the balls to rebuke or challenge the Haitian authorities. Every indication thus far seems illustrate the conspiracy of the Dominican state in supporting such union. Say NO to the Referendum and don't allow LF to be re-elected. He is not working for the best interest of the Dominican Republic rather taking orders from the world powers. Edited on 2/16/2011 4:46 PM by ny4life.
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#10 - Posted 16 February 2011, 4:58 PM
Atabey Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12104	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? Perhaps this article explains what LF wants to do. Industries debunk proposed tax break bill for Dominican-Haiti border Feb 16 at 4:42 PM Santo Domingo.- The country’s biggest industries association (AIRD) on Wednesday called the idea of creating a Ministry of the Border and providing incentives for agribusiness, farms and metallurgical, free zone, tourism and energy companies that would start operating in that region of the country, “mistaken.” “We’re a small country with relatively short distances, so to grant incentives to companies on their territorial location is not only a way to promote unfair competition, but also creates new problems that can lead installed companies to bankruptcy, tax disorder, influence peddling, among others evils which must be prevented,” said AIRD president Ligia Bonetti de Valiente in a statement. She said she understands the concern of the border region legislators, especially senator Adriano Sanchez Roa, but notes that legislation must be based on the collective well-being. “The apparent well-being which the proposed bill in question seeks would undoubtedly become a disaster for other companies and something unviable for the Government itself.” Bonetti said lawmakers should be more careful with legislation that seeks to obtain the well-being of the communities they represent, noting that the new bureaucracy AIRD affirms would be created in the effort to obtain better wages along the border is inadmissible. “How is it possible to consider a preferential rate on the foreign currencies required to import machinery and raw material for the companies in the border region, as if past lessons in that regard haven’t been learned and as if it was possible to control the myriad links which would spread with a measure of such nature.” “The same would occur with the fuel used by those companies, which the proposed bill would treat in the same manner as the tax and preference rates granted to the power companies,” the business leader said, adding that, if as Sanchez notes, the current Border Development Agency cannot deal with the challenges of a self sustained development, “then a review of its attributes and organization are in order.” I think it might work. But serious organizational skills have to be applied by each side. And the international Community has to extend enough credit and market access to achieve solid returns. A few billion dollars and this area might become the economic platform of the Caribbean. Remember that within this second largest island there are over 20 million people, almost twice as much as Cuba! So the human capital potential is there. All that needs to happen is solid organization and sound economic policies moving forward. But again, we have witnessed before how incorrigible groups of monopolistic domestic interests have done their best to deny the DR, and in this case Haiti too, her day in the Sun. I hope these interests are dwelt a harsh denial of service. In reality, they will have to be accommodated in some way so that the scheme is allowed a decent chance of development. Let's see what happens. LF could raise the stakes and say that this scheme forms part of the overall design to curtail and facilitate the counter-flow of migrants into DR. Edited on 2/16/2011 5:00 PM by Atabey. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck
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