Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? - Santo Domingo

#141 - Posted 13 September 2011, 9:17 PM
Atabey Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12104	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: BernardJeanPierre previously said: As I have mentioned before, a merger is not the answer, nor will is it likely to happen. If by some gravitating reason it does, it will have NOTHING to do with the immigration of Haitians, nor the desire of Dominicans, but simply MONEY. There are people in this world who are very powerful and THEY control either money, resources or people. If THOSE individuals decide that merging the Dominican Republic and Haiti will be beneficial for them, then it will happen. International Money is more powerful than any local Government. That is exactly why the Fed Bank decides the interest rates, not the President. Money makes the World go around. The only thing I can say to this is that those International Money people would have to pour a lot of money for that merger scheme to work, cuz' it's totally unsustainable even in the short run under the current economic model in place on the DR. An unified island would necessarily have to break with the concentration of money on the triangle Santo Domingo-Santiago-Higuey (which have been in place since the destruction of the western towns of the Spanish colony, circa 1605) and pour resources to all the corners of the island, simultaneously, like a pacient receiving a shock treatment. DR and Haiti are bit players that the International Community will spend some time talking on and less resources than their combined needs require. I believe that the International Community would just like to NOT have to deal with the Haitian Problem unless there is no other way to avoid doing so; after reading that real but depressing article on Haiti, The World Has Failed Haiti, one gets the sense that this Haitian Problem/Question is basically a hold and containment strategy with the DR picking up some of the unavoidable slack or overflow from time to time. Nothing really radical is in the cards, International takeover and administration as in a UN administered State with total powers to reorient and create a New Haiti over say a 10-20 year mandate. Or as some have suggested, a radical re-population scheme to half Haiti's current population via massive immigration flows to several countries with financial consideration as grease. No the radical scenarios will not happen, and so a "containment strategy" with "punctuated disequilibrium," some faster pace flows outward-largely towards DR and lesser flows outside the island, with periods of "calm and stability" mixed in will dominate the future. Then this island is truly fucked, cuz' the end result will be most likely the DR ending up as politically chaotic as Haiti. Such a shame. This island could have been paradise, really. Paradise was lost many centuries ago my friend: 1697 to be exact "France established direct control in 1640, reorganizing it into an official colony and expanding to the north coast of Hispaniola itself, whose western end Spain ceded to France in 1697 under the Treaty of Ryswick." After that unfortunate date in history the seal of its demise was but a ticking bomb. The French were responsible as well as the Spaniards. The African slaves and their descendents were the unfortunate human resources the French used to unleash this ticking future plague of a human tragedy on the island. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck
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RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti???

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Lautaro previously said:

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Atabey previously said:

Paradise was lost many centuries ago my friend: 1697 to be exact

"France established direct control in 1640, reorganizing it into an official colony and expanding to the north coast of Hispaniola itself, whose western end Spain ceded to France in 1697 under the Treaty of Ryswick."

After that unfortunate date in history the seal of its demise was but a ticking bomb. The French were responsible as well as the Spaniards. The African slaves and their descendents were the unfortunate human resources the French used to unleash this ticking future plague of a human tragedy on the island.

I think the paradise was lost when the French decided to adopt the plantation slavery regime that the English had in Jamaica during the 1700-1710 decade. If they would have decided to leave the colony as a settlement one (as one of their initial governors, Tarin de Cussy, suggested), then the island would perhaps be wholly French speaking today. Regrettably, we should avoid dealing with what ifs' from now on.

Yes, a settlement colony would have been the preferable option, but as you say, that option was not followed. History can not be undone. Sadly, I see a better chance of Haiti 2.0 emerging on the eastern side than a healthy and thriving dual nation-state island. The discombobulation that has been a perennial feature of the western side will slowly work its malignancy in the east where it has found fertile grounds. Plenty of homegrown troubles will combine with those from the west to create conditions more like the western side of the island. More people will live in gated communities and all the implications that lifestyle will define

Not a pretty picture.

"If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck

#142 - Posted 13 September 2011, 9:22 PM
Lautaro Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5742	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? Quote: Atabey previously said: Paradise was lost many centuries ago my friend: 1697 to be exact "France established direct control in 1640, reorganizing it into an official colony and expanding to the north coast of Hispaniola itself, whose western end Spain ceded to France in 1697 under the Treaty of Ryswick." After that unfortunate date in history the seal of its demise was but a ticking bomb. The French were responsible as well as the Spaniards. The African slaves and their descendents were the unfortunate human resources the French used to unleash this ticking future plague of a human tragedy on the island. I think the paradise was lost when the French decided to adopt the plantation slavery regime that the English had in Jamaica during the 1700-1710 decade. If they would have decided to leave the colony as a settlement one (as one of their initial governors, Tarin de Cussy, suggested), then the island would perhaps be wholly French speaking today. Regrettably, we should avoid dealing with what ifs' from now on. Edited on 9/13/2011 9:26 PM by Lautaro. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince
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#144 - Posted 15 September 2011, 4:26 PM
brasilenosisback Location: United States Join date: April 2010 Member #: 4966 Posts: 716	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? Post was deleted (low rank)
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#145 - Posted 15 September 2011, 10:20 PM
guillermone Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 5804	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? "As a presidential candidate for the Haitian elections, he proposes that the Dominican Republic "opens the border" to Haitians for unification of the island as the solution to solve the MASSIVE ILLEGAL HAITIAN IMMIGRATION to the DR. " Well that is funny, he proposes unification as a solution to the illegal immigration problem ???????? Well that sounds the same as if the best way to solve a head ache is to chop your head off. Oh yeah...............right.. .........it certainly will take of the problem alright....yeaah Edited on 9/15/2011 10:23 PM by guillermone.
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#146 - Posted 16 September 2011, 10:29 PM
mirabal4ever Location: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito" Join date: March 2009 Member #: 2380 Posts: 5015	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? Quote: guillermone previously said: "As a presidential candidate for the Haitian elections, he proposes that the Dominican Republic "opens the border" to Haitians for unification of the island as the solution to solve the MASSIVE ILLEGAL HAITIAN IMMIGRATION to the DR. " Well that is funny, he proposes unification as a solution to the illegal immigration problem ???????? Well that sounds the same as if the best way to solve a head ache is to chop your head off. Oh yeah...............right.. .........it certainly will take of the problem alright....yeaah Buen dicho comrade! Conocer al cojo sentao! Las Aguilas son Las Aguilas!!!!!!!!
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#147 - Posted 16 September 2011, 11:02 PM
guillermone Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 5804	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? Quote: mirabal4ever previously said: Quote: guillermone previously said: "As a presidential candidate for the Haitian elections, he proposes that the Dominican Republic "opens the border" to Haitians for unification of the island as the solution to solve the MASSIVE ILLEGAL HAITIAN IMMIGRATION to the DR. " Well that is funny, he proposes unification as a solution to the illegal immigration problem ???????? Well that sounds the same as if the best way to solve a head ache is to chop your head off. Oh yeah...............right.. .........it certainly will take of the problem alright....yeaah Buen dicho comrade! GRACIAS COMPANERO
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#143 - Posted 13 September 2011, 9:46 PM
Atabey Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12104	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: Paradise was lost many centuries ago my friend: 1697 to be exact "France established direct control in 1640, reorganizing it into an official colony and expanding to the north coast of Hispaniola itself, whose western end Spain ceded to France in 1697 under the Treaty of Ryswick." After that unfortunate date in history the seal of its demise was but a ticking bomb. The French were responsible as well as the Spaniards. The African slaves and their descendents were the unfortunate human resources the French used to unleash this ticking future plague of a human tragedy on the island. I think the paradise was lost when the French decided to adopt the plantation slavery regime that the English had in Jamaica during the 1700-1710 decade. If they would have decided to leave the colony as a settlement one (as one of their initial governors, Tarin de Cussy, suggested), then the island would perhaps be wholly French speaking today. Regrettably, we should avoid dealing with what ifs' from now on. Yes, a settlement colony would have been the preferable option, but as you say, that option was not followed. History can not be undone. Sadly, I see a better chance of Haiti 2.0 emerging on the eastern side than a healthy and thriving dual nation-state island. The discombobulation that has been a perennial feature of the western side will slowly work its malignancy in the east where it has found fertile grounds. Plenty of homegrown troubles will combine with those from the west to create conditions more like the western side of the island. More people will live in gated communities and all the implications that lifestyle will define Not a pretty picture. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck
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#148 - Posted 26 March 2012, 7:39 PM
brasilenosisback Location: United States Join date: April 2010 Member #: 4966 Posts: 716	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? Quote: guillermone previously said: "As a presidential candidate for the Haitian elections, he proposes that the Dominican Republic "opens the border" to Haitians for unification of the island as the solution to solve the MASSIVE ILLEGAL HAITIAN IMMIGRATION to the DR. " Well that is funny, he proposes unification as a solution to the illegal immigration problem ???????? Well that sounds the same as if the best way to solve a head ache is to chop your head off. Oh yeah...............right.. .........it certainly will take of the problem alright....yeaah I agree 100%.... al capo di tutti capi de los Dominican trolls
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#149 - Posted 27 March 2012, 8:59 AM
mrgeorge Location: Cote d'Ivoire Join date: March 2012 Member #: 10473 Posts: 11	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? His statements reveal the disrespect and disregard the Haitian people and authorities have for the people and soverignty of the Dominican Republic. The merging of both nations into one country is a Haitian ideal from Toussaint O'verture that failed when the Dominican Republic became independent from Haiti in 1844. Ever since then Haitians have attempted to invade the DR.
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#150 - Posted 27 March 2012, 2:31 PM
brasilenosisback Location: United States Join date: April 2010 Member #: 4966 Posts: 716	RE: Martelly states the DR should open the border to Haitians and Merge with Haiti??? Quote: mrgeorge previously said: His statements reveal the disrespect and disregard the Haitian people and authorities have for the people and soverignty of the Dominican Republic. The merging of both nations into one country is a Haitian ideal from Toussaint O'verture that failed when the Dominican Republic became independent from Haiti in 1844. Ever since then Haitians have attempted to invade the DR. Attempted to invade??? Dude they have invaded, there are Haitians everywhere, there are more Haitians in the D.R. today than the total number of combined troops that invaded the country during the invasion attempts you complain about. They are coming and they will continue to come. Your President just signed a trade pack with Haiti and thats going to bring additional haitians into the D.R., and if you didnt know already, there are thousands of Dominicans living and/or working in Haiti as well, so all the whinning about invasions and other crap that occurred hundreds of years ago should be placed aside. This is a dawn of a new generation and we need to think about matters more pressing than a bunch past B.S. that does neither country any service. I say open the border to Haitians and merge. al capo di tutti capi de los Dominican trolls
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