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Unfortunately, there were a lot of atrocities committed during that time period. There were brutality before and after the Haitian Revolution. The Spanish destroyed the Native Taino population and culture and took them to the precipice of extinction. It is without a doubt injustice for ANYONE to be mercilessly killed and tortured be them Taino, African, Dominican, Haitian, Jew, Cambodian etc. And I do believe that History is important, however there is an inherent problem in trying to bring 'awareness' to people when not done in the correct way. In the early 1900's it was not simply the 'Germans' who came together to kill Jews and others, it was the Nazi Regime. The killing of those who came to be basis of Dominican people were not simply killed by Haitians who represented the consensus of ALL Haitians, Africans, Cocolos, Mulattos and whoever else, they were part of sporadically formed military like groups who were under the order of their 'leaders'. Those leaders did kill many innocent people, but that was not some unique attribute of Haitians, in nearly EVERY Revolution the same scenario is repeated to lesser or greater degrees. Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, etc etc. Its all killing, its all wrong, matters not if its just 1 person or 1 million, its 1 too many.

Helping one to remember History can be beneficial, but if not done carefully it can also do harm. Because if the wrong ideas are conveyed people will associate such negative things that SOME Haitians did then, to the Haitian of TODAY, two COMPLETELY distinct groups. generoso is already a victim of this poison because the way he sees it Dominican have a "right" to not trust and be suspicious of Haitians. Realistically, there is NO modern day Haitian revolution, there is NO modern day Dessalines going around killing Dominicans in mass, there is NO undercurrent of Haitian takeover brewing among the Haitian populous in Haiti NOR the Dominican Republic. The vast majority of Haitians are simply interested in getting a job to provide for themselves and their families. Nothing more. Now when there is conclusive documentation of scattered Haitians coming together to form the basis of a New Haitian Revolution in order to 'take over' and 'overthrow' Dominican society, then I will change my view.

But it is ignorant to just point at "the Haitian people" or "Haitians" collectively as the enemy or the 'potential' enemy. That is NO different than a person reading an article about some Dominican gang and then concluding ALL DOMINICANS ARE CRIMINALS. That would be ignorant, foolish and unreasonable. That type of thinking only causes MORE division and contention. If you want to make reference to a specific Historical event in order to educate, be my guest. But the world does not need more stoking of the flames between Dominicans and Haitians than there already is. Peace is needed, not war.
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Que por orden de él fueron arrastrados 900 veganos a Santiago y fueron incendiados además San Francisco de Macorís, Moca, Puerto Plata y Montecristi. Está claro que cuando se dice que fueron “arrastrados” 900 veganos a Santiago lo que se indica es que esa cantidad de personas fue conducida como prisioneros y que todos iban a pie. De manera que a los 900 veganos conducidos, “arrastrados”, hay que sumar los que venían siendo “arrastrados” desde Monte Plata, San Pedro, Cotuí, San Francisco y Moca, y los que fueron tomados prisioneros en Puerto Plata y Montecristi, e igualmente “arrastrados” a pie hacia el distante territorio de Haití.
Si en cada una de esas comunidades se actuó como en Santiago, donde fueron degollados los hombres prisioneros y conducidos “arrastrados” las mujeres y los niños y niñas, es lógico calcular que las mujeres, niños y niñas “arrastrados” eran miles. Y otros tantos los prisioneros degollados que sumaría una cantidad enorme tomando en cuenta que en muchos casos, los degollados superaban los trasladados a pie como prisioneros hacia territorio haitiano…
Todo esto es una tragedia incomensurable ante la cual, con relación al presente trabajo, se deben referir dos consideraciones, la primera señalada ya por autores citados, y la segunda que explicaría el énfasis, el interés particular, en el degüello y la conducción de niños como prisioneros, “arrastrados” con sed y hambre a pie hacia Haití.
La primera consideración a que se hace referencia es la circunstancia en que Dessalines tiene que abandonar el sitio que tenía a Santo Domingo en 1805, un fracaso de enorme dimensión para Haití, equivalente a una grave derrota militar porque la capital de la antigua colonia española, además de su determinante importancia estrategia, estaba ocupada por el ejército francés, que era el objetivo militar número uno del ejército haitiano.
Esta situación adversa contrarió notablemente a Dessalines, que antes de abandonar el sitio “hizo dar la orden a los comandantes de las varias comunes conquistadas de reunir a todos los habitantes y reducirlos a prisión, para que, a su primera orden hacerlos pisotear por las acémilas y otros animales, al llegar a la parte haitiana”.
Además, en virtud de las últimas instrucciones de Dessalines dejadas a varios generales antes de abandonar el sitio, “éstos empujaron delante de ellos el resto de los habitantes, de los animales y bestias … redujeron a cenizas los pueblos, aldeas, hatos y ciudades, llevaron por todas partes la devastación, el hierro y el fuego, y no perdonaron sino los individuos destinados por S. M. a ser conducidos como prisioneros”.
Aquí es importante resaltar que la parte de los dos párrafos anteriores citada entre comillas fue extraída del diario de guerra del propio Dessalines , de manera que, a confesión de parte, relevo de prueba, en buen derecho según los abogados conocedores.
Se debe resaltar que el ejército invasor de Dessalines estaba constituído de más de veinte mil soldados, muy bien dotados con las mejores armas de guerra del momento en Europa, que habían los haitianos capturado al ejército de Napoleón Bonaparte derrotado en Saint-Domingue, es decir, en Haití. Como se ha visto, esos más de veinte mil hombres recibieron la orden, en su retirada, de conducir hacia Haití como prisioneros a todos los habitantes dominicanos, “o al resto de ellos”, los que quedaran vivos, porque los hombres prisioneros eran terriblemente degollados sin piedad.
Si sólo de Santiago fueron “arrastrados” 249 mujeres, 430 niñas y 318 niños, como revela Alejandro Llenas, y de La Vega 900 veganos, entonces hay que colegir que se sumaban los del resto de las comunidades por donde ese ejército pasaba y que fueron miles.
Lamentablemente no hay pruebas documentales de este genocidio en la región Sur del país, que fue por donde se retiró con una parte de su gran ejército el propio Dessalines. Hay sólo menciones en el texto escrito por Gaspar de Arredondo y Pichardo sobre el horror que narraban los fugitivos que por los caminos y los montes llegaban huyendo rápidamente al Cibao desde el territorio del Sur.
Hay una segunda consideración que expreso aquí. Algunos historiadores tienen la creencia de que la invasión de Dessalines fue como respuesta a un decreto destemplado, propio de la guerra, del general francés Lois Ferrand, quien era en ese momento gobernador de la colonia de Santo Domingo.
En su artículo “Invasión de Dessalines” Alejandro Llenas cita muy bien este decreto de Ferrand, que fue en respuesta a una proclama de Dessalines llamando a los habitantes de la parte española de la isla a rendirse. Pero en su insólito decreto del 6 de enero de 1805 3 Ferrand autoriza a los habitantes y autoridades de la parte española capturar en territorio de la república de Haití niños de hasta 14 años de edad, con el fin de venderlos, como hicieron con los negros, a todos ,como vulgares esclavos.
Evidentemente el motor de la inmediata invasión de Dessalines no fue este decreto, pero sí su contenido debió provocar la indignación de las autoridades haitianas porque el mensaje de ese texto equivalía a una propuesta de restablecer la esclavitud, que había sido evidentemente superada con la proclamación de la Independencia de parte de los haitianos, y que había sido suprimida además por la revolución francesa años anteriores.
El degüello de los 40 niños en el altar de la iglesia de Moca y la conducción como prisioneros hacia Haití de los 748 niños y niñas de Santiago debió ser un evidente mensaje. Esos, como hemos dicho, son datos que están documentados, pero no debieron ser casos únicos. En otras comunidades dominicanas en las que pisó el carnicero conocido como Henri Christophe debieron haberse producido degüellos masivos de niños inocentes por sus propias órdenes directas . Se podría decir sin ser exagerados, que ésta matanza de Dessalines y sus partidarios,sobrepasó las 10,000 ejecuciones en todo el territorio nacional, una suma espantosa tomando en cuenta la masa poblacional de la época, pero más tarde el propio Jean-Jacques Dessalines cae asesinado ,como cosa del destino, de la misma forma en que ordenó se mataran sus prisioneros, en 1806, su cuerpo fue primero degollado y luego cortado furiosamente en pedazos por sus asesinos. Dessalines fué traicionado por sus principales colaboradores Petión y Christopher quienes más tarde se repartieron el país y que usaron con él el mismo método utilizado con los enemigos .
Sin embargo éstas acciones ,tanto de Dessalines como del propio Trujillo son vistas desde el marco histórico como errores políticos de la época que no deben repetirse jamás.




Muchos amigos cercanos del Dictador dominicano Rafael leónidas Trujillo señalan que a éste le gustaba escuchar las anécdotas de historiadores dominicanos sobre este hecho y sus pareceres sobre la actitud de Dessalines, quedandose siempre estupefacto ante tales narraciones, algunos afirman incluso que la decisión de la matanza del 1937, estuvo íntimamente ligada a una deseada pero errónea respuesta que pudiera vengar en parte aquellos hechos, y de ésta forma darle punto medio a la inclinada balanza de odio que acentuaba todavía a inicios del siglo XX las acciones de Dessalines, . Aunque, muy de seguro, éstas afirmaciones difícilmente podrán ser probadas, pues Trujillo se cuidó de no dejar documentaciones escritas sobre tan delicados hechos.
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por: Raifi Genao


1-Gaspar de Arredondo y Pichardo,- Memoria de mi salida de la isla de Santo Domingo el 28 de abril de 1805, en Bicentenario del degüello, página 70, Vetas Editoriales, Santo Domingo, 2005.
2 – Publicado en la revista Vetas número 74 de octubre de 2005, página 24 y siguientes.





This is a huge part of our history that is forgotten or ignored. These numbers are telling and reveal great detail. Haiti was definetely at the point where their colonial masters were breathing down their necks forcing them to pay the debts owed to them for choosing to be a sovereign nation. Haiti went downhill in how they enforced will upon the Dominican population at that time. The acts were barbaric and savage. This is an example of an experiment gone wrong. The haitian people were left to their own instincts and the acts of governing were inadequate. We were persecuted and slaughtered for no reason except that we refused to adhere to Haitian culture.


Good point Mirabal, Dominicans were forced to pay for Haiti's broken dishes with the French, and much of the loot that was stolen during their many invasions, were to help pay the ransom, to the always hungry for gold French nation, that many times enforced their request for compensation, by sending over a dozen heavily armed frigates to PAP harbor, and threaten bombardment unless payment was materialized.



Gen, I am speechless and especially when children are involved. Usually I do not tap dance around any issue and do not wish to justify what happened in Moca by any mean. However, I think we should keep things in perspective since you mentioned in one of your earlier reply to one on my posting, which was deleted, that it is not appropriate to talk about the Spaniards slaughtering of the Tainos (about six millions). Even if it was one child that was killed in Moca, it is not acceptable in my view. Several DT posters have sanitized the Spaniards as noble after bringing the Peaceful Tainos to near extinction?????
Edited on 8/9/2011 9:26 AM by jambdebois.
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TO BernardJeanPierre(Afro-Latino):
I am glad I hit a "sore point", as you again and as a probably paid pro-Haitian lobbyist, and your obvious mesmerizing attempts at rationalizations, but they really don't work with me, Afro-Latino.
I noticed that you included the jews as victims of holocausts, in colonial times, honoring your half jewish lineage. BTW, the term "holocaust" was not used or known in the english language until after the end of WW ll, and other more descriptive terms were used including pogrom, and genocide, which would probably best describe the massive genetic Haitian hate, manifested in their destruction, burning and cruel murders, of the white, grand blancs, petit blancs, and mulatto's that lived peacefully in Saint Domingue.
You can not excuse or try to swirl like a worm (or a poisonous snake, which better describes you), because beneath your apparent "civility", (and you do not fool me for one instant), you carry a poisonous venom in your messages, and your intentions are evil.
The cruel Haitian custom of "uprooting" or deshuké comes from darkest Africa, and it was used extensively in many African countries including South Africa, and the Haitians copied it recently. Now Afro-Latino your other Haitian escapee buddies, are only peace loving and harmless individuals, full of good will and olive branches, that dispense flowers to Dominicans, and only invade us "looking for a job" to better themselves, I tend to like cowboy stories much better.
That's a funny way to describe an outright invasion, and violation of another country's sovereignty with the excuse of " the poor Haitians, only come peacefully looking to better themselves", how heart breaking and sad.
Stick to the facts, Mr. Haitian fifth columnist, the facts are:
1. The Haitians are invading the DR and breaking many laws doing so.
2. Their presence is a unarmed conspiracy to take over our country, by sheer force of numbers.
3. The Haitian illegals mostly do not contribute to taxation, other than in purchasing consumers goods, engaging in mostly cash businesses, and illegal enterprises.
4. The Haitians use and abuse the DR's health, education, security, transportation, housing, water and power systems and grids, without contributing NADA, zilch, ZERO, to their maintenance and upkeep.
So the poison and hate that you relentlessly claim on a daily basis, and now by reaffirming your "Christian" principles, is very much alive and well, thanks to the millions of patriotic Dominicans, that will not be convinced by your attempts to justify the unjustifiable: that Haitians are predators and have nothing to lose, they are squatters invading our country, and they MUST be expelled and repatriated ASAP, and the sooner the better.
Edited on 8/9/2011 10:04 AM by generoso.
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Gen, I am speechless and especially when children are involved. Usually I do not tap dance around any issue and do not wish to justify what happened in Moca by any mean. However, I think we should keep things in perspective since you mentioned in one of your earlier reply to one on my posting, which was deleted, that it is not appropriate to talk about the Spaniards slaughtering of the Tainos (about six millions). Even if it was one child that was killed in Moca, it is not acceptable in my view. Several DT posters have sanitized the Spaniards as noble after bringing the Peaceful Tainos to near extinction?????
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Jambdebois:
The subject at hand is not the well known and documented cruelty of the Spanish conquistadores with the Tainos, but we are talking about the origins and roots of the Dominican callousness and distrust towards the Haitians, and the causes that ignited those sentiments. It was no accident of destiny, it was a plan for genocide and extermination of a harmless and peaceful inhabitants of the eastern side of Saint Domingue, that minded their own business and were not involved in European politics or the importation of hundreds of thousands of slaves. I am not apologizing for the Spaniards or the French, that were brutal in their treatment of the slaves, specially the French that ignited the Haitian revolution, and horrible payback. The treatment of the slaves in Haiti was so cruel and heartless, that the slaves from other islands were threatened by their masters to be sent to "hell on earth" Haiti, if they did not behave, and the slave life expectancy was the lowest of any other caribbean islands.
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TO BernardJeanPierre(Afro-Latino):
I am glad I hit a "sore point", as you again and as a probably paid pro-Haitian lobbyist, and your obvious mesmerizing attempts at rationalizations, but they really don't work with me, Afro-Latino.
I noticed that you included the jews as victims of holocausts, in colonial times, honoring your half jewish lineage. BTW, the term "holocaust" was not used or known in the english language until after the end of WW ll, and other more descriptive terms were used including pogrom, and genocide, which would probably best describe the massive genetic Haitian hate, manifested in their destruction, burning and cruel murders, of the white, grand blancs, petit blancs, and mulatto's that lived peacefully in Saint Domingue.
You can not excuse or try to swirl like a worm (or a poisonous snake, which better describes you), because beneath your apparent "civility", (and you do not fool me for one instant), you carry a poisonous venom in your messages, and your intentions are evil.
The cruel Haitian custom of "uprooting" or deshuké comes from darkest Africa, and it was used extensively in many African countries including South Africa, and the Haitians copied it recently. Now Afro-Latino your other Haitian escapee buddies, are only peace loving and harmless individuals, full of good will and olive branches, that dispense flowers to Dominicans, and only invade us "looking for a job" to better themselves, I tend to like cowboy stories much better.
That's a funny way to describe an outright invasion, and violation of another country's sovereignty with the excuse of " the poor Haitians, only come peacefully looking to better themselves", how heart breaking and sad.
Stick to the facts, Mr. Haitian fifth columnist, the facts are:
1. The Haitians are invading the DR and breaking many laws doing so.
2. Their presence is a unarmed conspiracy to take over our country, by sheer force of numbers.
3. The Haitian illegals mostly do not contribute to taxation, other than in purchasing consumers goods, engaging in mostly cash businesses, and illegal enterprises.
4. The Haitians use and abuse the DR's health, education, security, transportation, housing, water and power systems and grids, without contributing NADA, zilch, ZERO, to their maintenance and upkeep.
So the poison and hate that you relentlessly claim on a daily basis, and now by reaffirming your "Christian" principles, is very much alive and well, thanks to the millions of patriotic Dominicans, that will not be convinced by your attempts to justify the unjustifiable: that Haitians are predators and have nothing to lose, they are squatters invading our country, and they MUST be expelled and repatriated ASAP, and the sooner the better.



IsGen a racist by any chance. Seems so!
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How much cheapr labor do you use abc?
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How much cheapr labor do you use abc?


Plenty, if he really lives in Las Terrenas, cuz' from what I have seen, there are plenty of Haitian shanties on the Samaná province nowadays. I wouldn't be surprised if he was like the other lefties in the Old World, that is, indulging in revolutionary discourses by day while dealing with inmigrant slave labor by night. Hypocrites, the lot of them.
Edited on 8/9/2011 12:08 PM by Lautaro.
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How much cheapr labor do you use abc?


Plenty, if he really lives in Las Terrenas, cuz' from what I have seen, there are plenty of Haitian shanties on the Samaná province nowadays. I wouldn't be surprised if he was like the other lefties in the Old World, that is, indulging in revolutionary discourses by day while dealing with inmigrant slave labor by night. Hypocrites, the lot of them.


The racism card, dealt mischievously and often by the Haitain "escapees" (I love that word coined by Micaela) has ran out of steam, when debating with the likes of Micaela, Lautaro, and other heavyweights.
They can pull it out of the bottom of the deck, mostly to Dominican expats that are exposed to the influences of the "politically correct" black caucus, that influences the "racism industry".
ABC200 is just parroting his usual leftist, PC correct, tendencies, and like most of the rabble he utters, is not to be taken seriously, considering the obvious and permanent damage by hallucinogens, to his two or three remaining brain neurons.
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How much cheapr labor do you use abc?


Plenty, if he really lives in Las Terrenas, cuz' from what I have seen, there are plenty of Haitian shanties on the Samaná province nowadays. I wouldn't be surprised if he was like the other lefties in the Old World, that is, indulging in revolutionary discourses by day while dealing with inmigrant slave labor by night. Hypocrites, the lot of them.


The racism card, dealt mischievously and often by the Haitain "escapees" (I love that word coined by Micaela) has ran out of steam, when debating with the likes of Micaela, Lautaro, and other heavyweights.
They can pull it out of the bottom of the deck, mostly to Dominican expats that are exposed to the influences of the "politically correct" black caucus, that influences the "racism industry".
ABC200 is just parroting his usual leftist, PC correct, tendencies, and like most of the rabble he utters, is not to be taken seriously, considering the obvious and permanent damage by hallucinogens, to his two or three remaining brain neurons.



He would do well if he devoted more attention to his own British affairs, general, cuz' if things keep going as they do, London will be razed to the ground by rioters (mostly Pakis and West Indians) which have more than three days rampaging the place from top to bottom.
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TO BernardJeanPierre(Afro-Latino):
I am glad I hit a "sore point", as you again and as a probably paid pro-Haitian lobbyist, and your obvious mesmerizing attempts at rationalizations, but they really don't work with me, Afro-Latino.
I noticed that you included the jews as victims of holocausts, in colonial times, honoring your half jewish lineage. BTW, the term "holocaust" was not used or known in the english language until after the end of WW ll, and other more descriptive terms were used including pogrom, and genocide, which would probably best describe the massive genetic Haitian hate, manifested in their destruction, burning and cruel murders, of the white, grand blancs, petit blancs, and mulatto's that lived peacefully in Saint Domingue.
You can not excuse or try to swirl like a worm (or a poisonous snake, which better describes you), because beneath your apparent "civility", (and you do not fool me for one instant), you carry a poisonous venom in your messages, and your intentions are evil.
The cruel Haitian custom of "uprooting" or deshuké comes from darkest Africa, and it was used extensively in many African countries including South Africa, and the Haitians copied it recently. Now Afro-Latino your other Haitian escapee buddies, are only peace loving and harmless individuals, full of good will and olive branches, that dispense flowers to Dominicans, and only invade us "looking for a job" to better themselves, I tend to like cowboy stories much better.
That's a funny way to describe an outright invasion, and violation of another country's sovereignty with the excuse of " the poor Haitians, only come peacefully looking to better themselves", how heart breaking and sad.
Stick to the facts, Mr. Haitian fifth columnist, the facts are:
1. The Haitians are invading the DR and breaking many laws doing so.
2. Their presence is a unarmed conspiracy to take over our country, by sheer force of numbers.
3. The Haitian illegals mostly do not contribute to taxation, other than in purchasing consumers goods, engaging in mostly cash businesses, and illegal enterprises.
4. The Haitians use and abuse the DR's health, education, security, transportation, housing, water and power systems and grids, without contributing NADA, zilch, ZERO, to their maintenance and upkeep.
So the poison and hate that you relentlessly claim on a daily basis, and now by reaffirming your "Christian" principles, is very much alive and well, thanks to the millions of patriotic Dominicans, that will not be convinced by your attempts to justify the unjustifiable: that Haitians are predators and have nothing to lose, they are squatters invading our country, and they MUST be expelled and repatriated ASAP, and the sooner the better.

You would think that after this he would run for cover, but we won’t be so lucky, and if he does, would probably would come back later with another identity. However he would again be easy to spot for slips like this:

Unfortunately, there were a lot of atrocities committed during that time period. There were brutality before and after the Haitian Revolution. The Spanish destroyed the Native Taino population and culture and took them to the precipice of extinction. It is without a doubt injustice for ANYONE to be mercilessly killed and tortured be them Taino, African, Dominican, Haitian, Jew, Cambodian etc... The killing of those who came to be basis of Dominican people were not simply killed by Haitians who represented the consensus of ALL Haitians, Africans, Cocolos, Mulattos and whoever else, they were part of sporadically formed military like groups who were under the order of their 'leaders'. Those leaders did kill many innocent people, but that was not some unique attribute of Haitians.

That is all dandy, but then he doen't have any problem with this

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Did France do the best things concerning Haiti in the past? No, however one has to realize that many of the things that happened were simply a result of the time period the world was in. It was a time when many Nations were racing to advance and colonization and slavery became one of the main ways of doing so


So if you are French or Haitian, you could be justified. If you are Spanish you are a merciless killer and torturer. It doen’t matter that the life spectancey of Haiti slaves was only 8 years and they need to constantly resupply their “stock”, it was only the result of 'the time period', the same as the atrocities commited by Haitians against our inocent people

And remember, the vast majority of Haitians are simply interested in getting a job to provide for themselves and their families. Nothing more. And it is ignorant to just point at "the Haitian people" or "Haitians" collectively as the enemy or the 'potential' enemy... That would be ignorant, foolish and unreasonable. That type of thinking only causes MORE division and contention. Peace is needed, not war.

Let me see if I got it right? So as they are simply interested in getting a job, we should allow them to come and stay, freely share everything we have worked so hard to achieve; never main that the sheer numbers threaten our own survival, do not, do not, ever see them as enemies, be good Christians and give them everything you have and if they strike at you, of course present them with your other cheek. And don’t ever think of division or contention, let’s think about unification, right? And in that peaceful, united world, we would be putting everything and they just their August personas.
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How much cheapr labor do you use abc?


Plenty, if he really lives in Las Terrenas, cuz' from what I have seen, there are plenty of Haitian shanties on the Samaná province nowadays. I wouldn't be surprised if he was like the other lefties in the Old World, that is, indulging in revolutionary discourses by day while dealing with inmigrant slave labor by night. Hypocrites, the lot of them.


The racism card, dealt mischievously and often by the Haitain "escapees" (I love that word coined by Micaela) has ran out of steam, when debating with the likes of Micaela, Lautaro, and other heavyweights.
They can pull it out of the bottom of the deck, mostly to Dominican expats that are exposed to the influences of the "politically correct" black caucus, that influences the "racism industry".
ABC200 is just parroting his usual leftist, PC correct, tendencies, and like most of the rabble he utters, is not to be taken seriously, considering the obvious and permanent damage by hallucinogens, to his two or three remaining brain neurons.



He would do well if he devoted more attention to his own British affairs, general, cuz' if things keep going as they do, London will be razed to the ground by rioters (mostly Pakis and West Indians) which have more than three days rampaging the place from top to bottom.



Rightly in spirit, wrongly in method, British People of all classes and origins are protesting Cameron's
fascism. Often British people have been in the vanguard of the international fight against oppression.

S.

http://www.larouchepac.com/node/15253

Cameron Brings Communitarian Fascism to Obama
July 20, 2010 • 7:17AM
Once again, as during the two Harold Wilson governments of 1964-70 and 1974-76, Britain is again burning down its own house for the purpose of providing an example to be imitated by its neighbors. Then, it was Wilson's Schumpeterian "creative destruction" of the British economy, which was designed to be imitated here, as it was, first by Richard Nixon, and then much more disastrously, by the Trilateral-controlled Jimmy Carter. Now, it is the communitarian fascism, also called "distributism," of the early 20th-Century Englishmen G.K. Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc, mothered into Prime Minister Cameron's new Tory government by the imperial Fabian Society, by way of young talking head Phillip Blond.

Her Majesty's government has just launched its plan for implementing 'Fascism with a Democratic Face' throughout Great Britain. But beware: it is also coming to the United States. British Prime Minister David Cameron announced this as his "Big Society" policy at a conference in Liverpool, where he declared, "The Big Society is about liberation — the biggest, most dramatic redistribution of power from elites in Whitehall to the man in the street." Behind this rhetoric Cameron outlined a plan for local control, on the communitarian fascist model, of local services which have hitherto been controlled by local, city and national governments, including schools, fire departments, transportation, museums, etc.

While Cameron denied that his plan was aimed at cutting services, few believe him. Dave Prentis, the General Secretary of Unison, which represents public sector workers, told the Guardian, "Make no mistake, this plan is all about saving money, and it will cost even more jobs and lead to more service cuts. The government is simply washing its hands of providing decent public services and using volunteers as a cut price alternative."

Cameron said he has chosen four communities as "vanguard" areas, all of which are communities within larger urban centers. They include the Eden Valley in Cumbria, the London borough of Sutton and Cheam, the Berkshire council of Windsor and Maidenhead, and the city of Liverpool. Except for the last, most of these communities are relatively affluent, and already Sutton and Cheam is bidding to take over the local Fire Department, which is part of the London Fire Department. The Big Society program is to be financed by the Big Society Bank, which will be funded by stealing bank accounts that have been dormant for over 15 years.

All this stems from the fertile mouth of Phillip Blond, who was picked up by the imperial Fabian Society's "Demos" think-tank in about 2008, from Cumbria University where he was a theology lecturer. The Fabians detailed Blond to cook up an ideology for an incoming Conservative (Tory) government in their "Progressive Conservatism Project." In just the same way, it was through Demos that the Fabians had earlier concocted the synthetic belief-structure for Tony Blair's "New Labor." After his transformation from an obscure lecturer, the Fabian Society's New Statesman magazine heralded Blond as "the Conservatives' philosopher-king." More recently, as the Tories came to power, Blond split from Demos and formed his own think-tank ResPublica.

To quote the April 24, 2009, EIR article, "What is Their Secret?":

What is the future to which Blond and the Fabians would bring us through the brainwashed Tories? It is a return to the bliss of the Dark Ages, before it was destroyed by the Renaissance and the modern nation-state, represented by "secular monarchs. From the 14th Century on, they asserted their power and corrupted a pre-existing highly plural and reciprocal community with demands for top-down allegiance, authority and control," Blond wrote in a widely published September 2008 article, "Medieval Thinking," "Updating and recovering this earlier medieval model for the modern age is of course the task." Of course.

We will all become property-owners, Blond promises, as joint owners of community investment trusts, which will create local cooperatives and "indeed guilds, around which people can invest." Britain should hand its local post offices over to these local trusts, Blond writes. It seems the nation-state will wither away, as for Karl Marx. Will the local witch-doctor replace the National Health Service? Blond never quite gets to the answer.

All this medieval mummery is part of the ideology of especially Mussolini's Fascist movement, as is well-known to the historically literate. But it doesn't come from Mussolini. Blond openly declares that his models are John Ruskin and the British "Catholic" fascists G.K. Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc,—for which, indeed, Blond has been sharply criticized by some in Britain. The so-called Catholics, Chesterton and Belloc, were indeed Mussolini supporters and fervent anti-Semites. But they were not imitators of Mussolini, as Lyndon LaRouche has pointed out. Rather, Mussolini's British sponsors fashioned him in imitation of the British Fabian-Society authors of fascism, such as Chesterton and Belloc. And Phillip Blond.

And what of that recently born-again Catholic Tony Blair?

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Again the British people will win justice; perhaps by becoming ungovernable for a period.

http://www.tolpuddlemartyrs.org.uk/

S.



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