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#11 - Posted 22 October 2008, 11:43 PM
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NO GC,AnthonyC it;s not Fidel

Yes it is.

Adjusting for Population Fidel has killed and imprisoned more than Stalin or Mao.

Que MMG. you and your boy GC, your most likely the same person... wait i bet you to are lovers, homo lovers thats what it is. ... anyway, you must admit that Fidel has done a lot of good for Cuba...
or maybe he has tried, Trujillo was 10x worst then fidel.... And I think Pinoche was worse then trujillo ...

who has a bigger body count?
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#12 - Posted 23 October 2008, 6:57 AM
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There have been many, but some prominent ones are known to have been the fiercest of them all in Central & Latin America and they are: Trujillo of DR & Duvalier of Haiti. Then, there were the Chilean dictator Pinochet whom was a force to reckon with, but I am sure there are more and worst perhaps others may come up with in this thread given if you give the right chronicled dated era. Thus a little bit of time specificity might help as there are plenty I can think of and know of...




Well, there was the Somoza dinasty in Nicaragua. The bastards terrorized and robbed the country blind across many generations. When Franklin Delano Roosevelt was asked the reason explaining why the US didn´t make something to stop the rule of the first Somoza, he said: "Somoza may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch". That phrase speaks volumes about the hipocrisy that have always characterized the US foreign policy since they started to make reality the "Manifest Destiny" doctrine (1898).
Great topic because Latin America has had plenty of dictators. And make no mistake Fidel is one of them.


Well,

I am in the US Army and as an Officer (which I should not even be commenting on this, but as constitutional freedom grants me as a civilian US citizen to say) I still think that Castro and Chavez are different breed of dictators.

They are a lot smarter no matter what they say about them and I even take the risk as being a military personal myself in telling you this. Dictators they may be indeed, but they have been known to be the kind of dictators that stand for causes of their Nations in many patriotic ways. Just because America does not like certain dictators does not necessarily make them as bad as those dictators that have committed genocide, and by far greater atrocities than those ever actually committed.

I feel Chavez and Castro have been considered as rather the "Check & Balance" that faces head on most of the hypocritical US foreign policies because these tow have the balls to do just that and stick it to the US.

P.S: As Lautaro have just said, the phrase above spoke higher volume itself of the hypocrisies of the US foreign policies.

You would have us believe you are a member of the officer corp of the US Military......I doubt it...or have we sunk so low.....I doubt it....."
" I am in the US Army and as an Officer (which I should not even be commenting on this] "....what bullshit
lets get ready to RUUMMMMMMBBBLLLEE
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#13 - Posted 23 October 2008, 7:07 AM
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NO GC,AnthonyC it;s not Fidel

Yes it is.

Adjusting for Population Fidel has killed and imprisoned more than Stalin or Mao.

Que MMG. you and your boy GC, your most likely the same person... wait i bet you to are lovers, homo lovers thats what it is. ... anyway, you must admit that Fidel has done a lot of good for Cuba...
or maybe he has tried, Trujillo was 10x worst then fidel.... And I think Pinoche was worse then trujillo ...

who has a bigger body count?

Chill your obsession with homosexuality betrays your fear of your lack of masculinity.... come out of the closet.... your homosexual experiences in the stockade should not burden you this way....In this day and age you will not be persecuted...chill come out of the darkness come out of the closet...show your feminine side {not that there is anything wrong with that}
lets get ready to RUUMMMMMMBBBLLLEE
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anyway, you must admit that Fidel has done a lot of good for Cuba...



Name me one thing!
I dare you.
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my personal favorite Alfredo Stroessner He served for 35 years, with only Fidel Castro having a longer tenure among 20th century Latin American leaders......But the greatest Spanish speaking caudillo of all.....Francisco Franco.... Viva Espana Viva Franco
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I think the worst was Trujillo hands down. He had all the oscars for cruelty and torture. He killed innocent men, women (the Mirabal sisters by clubs) and children (mostly Haitian).
Papa Doc or Francois Duvalier was the scariest because of the voodoo rituals but Trujillo killed more people than all the famous ones put together.
In 1937 he murdered an estimated 10,000 Haitians in a few days.
Not only he raped, tortured and murdered in this country but he sent his henchmen overseas to kidnap
and assasinate opponents like Galindez, Bethancourt, many other exiles and even tried to kill Fidel Castro and had one of his security chiefs shot by mistake.
Trujillo was the devil reincarnate.
You can not compare him to any other sane dictator in this hemisphere because he was so evil that
he had to be nuts.

II think Pinochet killed more then Trujillo.

1. Trujillo hated Haitians and admitted that his grandmother was Haitian.
2. Trujillo had one of his own brothers killed.

Generoso, Thanks for point out that Trujillo tired to have Castro killed.
What’s funny is that the U.S. hates Castro and loved Trujillo.
There have also been military operations that disembarked from DR to Cuba to try to kill Castro.
A lot of the Anti Castro people worked with Trujillo,
My argument is that what’s going on here has very little to do with human rights and this and that. It’s al about money

The truth is who cares how many Latin Americans starve, suffer and die as long as the Elite gets it’s money.
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anyway, you must admit that Fidel has done a lot of good for Cuba...



Name me one thing!
I dare you.


kick people like you out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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kick people like you out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Never kicked me out. Never been.

The only thing Fidel did that was any good was to realize what an idiot camanno was and to send him to his demise in the DR.
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You would have us believe you are a member of the officer corp of the US Military... I doubt it, or have we sunk so low. I doubt it.

"I am in the US Army and as an Officer (which I should not even be commenting on this... What bullshit!



Well,

I am a Cadet now who will soon be graduating and be commissioned in the next four months. However, I have served three tours in Iraq, plus one in Afghanistan as a 46Q Public Affairs. I left active duty as an E-5 last year and I am now in the Selective Reserves, going to school and doing the SMP (Simultaneous Membership Program).

I am being paid my ROTC Stippen Pay and my schooling is being paid for by Military Tuition Assistance plus I get Federal & State Financial Aid... so thus all my $75.000 GI Bill comes straight to me each month and I am getting paid as an E-6 plus time in grade of my total of 8 years which I have served in the military with two proper Honorable discharge for the completion of both of those 4 years. All that is without even counting the additional pay I get for my Medical VA Claims due to injuries I had sustained in Iraq for my back among other minor ones. Other income revenues are consisted of me working part time and oh yeah get this, I am also collecting Unemployment which I could not care nor give a flying F*ck that you do not believe me being an Officer or not.

My spare time have consisted of me traveling Latin & Central America, Africa with missionary groups that I do not even attend their Churches nor am I part of their faith base practices, for I am agnostic when it comes to religion.

P.S: Rather instead, I volunteer my time and effort trying to help impoverish Countries because I simply cannot just sit and do nothing about the causes of the world and human unfortunate conditions in it. Whatever way I can, I do it. No matter how small my contribution may seem to you in your eye, but what have you done for the World lately? I have access at places where you would not even dare be able to show your face.
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#20 - Posted 27 October 2008, 12:25 PM
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Trujillo in truth was a force for good. He did kill many innocent, there's no denying, but ultimately, the many institutions that exist today, as well as roads and bridges and many buildings were constructed by him for our benefit (and for the many haitians that cross over to use our facilities,) long after he was gone.

Here is my list of bad boys

Papa Doc... Did nothing
Baby Doc.... Did less than his father
Somoza.... Robbed his people blind and did nothing




Here are the best

Fidel Castro
Pinochet
Trujillo
Betancourt (venezuela... not haiti)
Juan Peron



One of the things that made trujillo popular was the re-construction of the city of Santo Domingo after a massive earthquake in the early 30's. Somoza on the other hand, had a similar situation yet different, He used the funds donated by the international community for his benefit... Somoza and Trujillo should not be compared.
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