| #1 - Posted 15 September 2011, 4:30 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10356 | The Haitian people are moving! Post was deleted (low rank) |
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| #2 - Posted 15 September 2011, 5:18 PM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12104 | RE: The Haitian people are moving! Here's a suggestion: Why not use the foreign troops in Haiti to man ONLY the border region and target illegal transit between the two nations Martelly can have his Haitian forces and the people of Haiti will only see these forces when trying to legally or illegally enter or return from the DR. DR will have more resources to prevent the illegal flows from the West. Win-Win situation What's not to like about such a scenario ![]() Edited on 9/15/2011 5:20 PM by Atabey. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck |
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| #3 - Posted 15 September 2011, 9:01 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo Join date: April 2008 Member #: 594 Posts: 5142 | RE: The Haitian people are moving! I had dinner last night with three men from Equador who were telling me that their country was becoming much more dangerous because of the influx of people from Haiti without any money or job ,,and just look at the distance they had to travel ..I wonder if there is some resettlement programme or are the Haitians just going whereever they can |
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| #4 - Posted 15 September 2011, 9:30 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 17818 | RE: The Haitian people are moving! Ricardolito, did he offer any kind of explanation for how on God´s Green Earth they got there? |
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| #5 - Posted 15 September 2011, 10:54 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 5804 | RE: The Haitian people are moving! Quote: Ricardolito previously said: I had dinner last night with three men from Equador who were telling me that their country was becoming much more dangerous because of the influx of people from Haiti without any money or job ,,and just look at the distance they had to travel ..I wonder if there is some resettlement programme or are the Haitians just going whereever they can I think that is total BS............The Ecuadoreans were just trying for what ever motives to ingratiate themselves with Ricardolito and came up with a cockamany story like that. You know how some people can get, shooting the shit after a few drinks. Ecuadoreans are known to be sly story tellers anyway. Nevertheless, I am aware that soon after the earth quake a very small group of Haitians made it to Chile, maybe a few dozens, but it was a one shot deal. If the story has any merit those Haitians probably reached north to Ecuador by way of Chile. Now to state that a recent crime wave was caused by a sudden "influx" of unemployed Haitians to Ecuador . ............Well I doubt it very much. It just sounds too far fetched for me, which is not the same as to say that a few of them for what ever reason showed up hungry and desparate for survival decided to commit petty crimes. Regardless of that believe me those Haitians would stick out like a sore thumb in a country with a predominately mestizo population. You know that they will always blame it on the black guy and any Haitian law-breaker would be spotted a mile away. Subsequently the potential for criminal acts would be quickly and easily curtailed by the authorities. Edited on 9/16/2011 10:59 AM by guillermone. |
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| #6 - Posted 16 September 2011, 9:21 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: January 2010 Member #: 4455 Posts: 1387 | RE: The Haitian people are moving! Quote: Ricardolito previously said: I had dinner last night with three men from Equador who were telling me that their country was becoming much more dangerous because of the influx of people from Haiti without any money or job ,,and just look at the distance they had to travel ..I wonder if there is some resettlement programme or are the Haitians just going whereever they can When you tell a story make sure its believable. |
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| #7 - Posted 16 September 2011, 12:26 PM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12104 | RE: The Haitian people are moving! Quote: ignoranceisbliss previously said: Quote: Ricardolito previously said: I had dinner last night with three men from Equador who were telling me that their country was becoming much more dangerous because of the influx of people from Haiti without any money or job ,,and just look at the distance they had to travel ..I wonder if there is some resettlement programme or are the Haitians just going whereever they can When you tell a story make sure its believable. O Ignorant One, please try reading some time; it just might make you rethink your ignorant postings http://jrsusa.org/news_detail?TN=NEWS-20110414104515 Regional response needed for Haitian migrants April 14, 2011 Regional response needed for Haitian migrants A tent city for displaced people outside Port au Prince. (Christian Fuchs — Jesuit Refugee Service/USA) "As the flow of Haitians towards South America increases, so do the activities of trafficking and smuggling networks. These criminal activities lure Haitians to Ecuador and Chile, on false promises of being able to study, work, and even travel to the U.S. and French Guiana." ~ Wooldy Edson Louidor. (Quito) April 14, 2011 — Jesuit Refugee Service has issued an appeal urging states in the region to protect Haitian victims of smuggling and trafficking networks in Latin America. In 2009, there were approximately 75,000 Haitians living in South America, but since then this number has increased significantly, particularly in Ecuador and Chile. "Over the last three years or so, South America has become a new migration pole for Haitians," said JRS Latin America and Caribbean Advocacy Coordinator for Haiti, Wooldy Edson Louidor, during a press conference in Quito on April 8. The Jesuit Refugee Service Latin America and Caribbean regional office raised a number of concerns regarding the recent flow of Haitian migrants. Foremost, it is concerned by the worsening humanitarian situation in Haiti which has forced many to migrate, and the inability of the Haitian government and the international community to respond to the needs of this population. In addition, the slow pace of the reconstruction of post-earthquake Haiti has helped strengthen smuggling and trafficking networks in the country, and the consequent tightening of migration policies has forced Haitians into even more difficult and vulnerable circumstances. JRS urged Latin American states to grant Haitian migrants visas for humanitarian reasons, particularly victims of criminal networks, forced to emigrate due to the worsening crisis caused by the 12-January-2010 earthquake. Moreover, JRS called for the establishment of a regional reception policy for this population, and a regional network to combat trafficking and smuggling networks, differentiating between perpetrators and victims, punishing the former and protecting the latter. During the press conference, JRS highlighted the increasing number of Haitians transiting through Ecuador and Chile. According to statistics provided by immigration police services, in 2009, 1,258 Haitians arrived in Ecuador, in 2010 a further 1,867 and 1,112 during the first months of 2011. In addition, the national tourism office in Chile reported that 477 Haitians entered into the country in 2009, 820 in 2010, and 125 in January of this year. However, despite the numbers of Haitians arriving into Ecuador and Chile most do not remain, but rather try to move to Brazil, French Guiana, and even the U.S. Shrinking protection space JRS has identified various smuggling networks which bring migrants to Ecuador via the Dominican Republic and Cuba. "As the flow of Haitians towards South America increases, so do the activities of trafficking and smuggling networks. These criminal activities lure Haitians to Ecuador and Chile, on false promises of being able to study, work, and even travel to the U.S. and French Guiana," explained Mr. Louidor. Upon arrival in Ecuador, many migrants are forced to pay the smugglers a second time to bring them to French Guiana and Brazil, among other countries. In response to the increasing arrival, some states, such as French Guiana and Brazil, have reinforced security on, in places effectively closing, their borders to prevent the arrival of Haitians. According to the Brazilian authorities, Haitians are not entitled to refugee status — granted only to persons fleeing persecution, religious discrimination and other circumstances outlined in national legislation — not to those fleeing poverty and the consequences of the natural disaster. Since February 15, 2011, the Brazilian federal government has suspended designating refugee status to Haitians. Between 300 and 400 Haitians are currently in detention, after being prevented from crossing the border into French Guiana. As many as 2,000 Haitians are believed to have crossed the Amazon-state border into Brazil. A month ago, Brazil also closed its border with Peru, principally in Acre state near Tabatinga, the main point of entry into the Brazilian Amazon. The Haitian migrants are still unable get into Brazil and remain trapped in the border area of Peru. For instance, on April 1, 2011, the provincial mayor of the Peruvian region of Tahuamani, Celso Curi Paucarmaita stated that more than 100 Haitians have been in the Iñapari jungle near the Brazilian border for one month; and their money and food supply is slowly diminishing. Fr .Fernando Ponce S.J., JRS Ecuador Director, noted that in March 2009 JRS began working with some 150 Haitians living in the north of Quito. Following the earthquake in Haiti this figure has increased substantially. According to JRS, this population faces two principal difficulties: the lack of documentation and the lack of work. Recently a number of Haitian students arrived in Ecuador, many of whom have been tricked with false offers, added Fr. Ponce. "The numbers are small, but the situation is worrisome. The Ecuadorian government has stated they will not deport the migrants, but regularization of their legal statuses has been made more difficult by recent legislation on migration," he said. "The other issues which make Haitians' integration into society and the labour market extremely difficult is their lack of knowledge of the language and the huge absence of support networks and services, which could provide them with the necessary tools and opportunities to integrate into their new host societies." In response, JRS has opened a multipurpose center, offering Spanish language classes, legal assistance, and education for migrant children. Capacity building training is also provided to migrant NGOs, where events and meetings are used to send a clear message that Ecuador cannot be a country of discrimination and xenophobia," he added. Addressing this situation, Fr. Ponce noted that Ecuador could play a pivotal role in the advocacy of Haitians' rights and reconstruct a migration policy which would grant Haitians fleeing the current crisis with a visa for humanitarian reasons, and also a special visa for the victims of trafficking. "We hope the Ecuadorian state will be an ally of JRS in its advocacy throughout Latin America to provide creative solutions for new arrivals," said Fr. Ponce. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck |
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| #8 - Posted 16 September 2011, 12:31 PM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12104 | Authorities-in-ecuador-arrest-haitian-man-in-human-trafficking-scam: Dameus Vikese-Is he Haitian? And here's some more information. Take your time and allow it to to sink into your cranial cavities. This Dameus Vikese had some gig going there for a while. Crime Authorities in Ecuador Arrest Haitian Man in Human Trafficking Scam Details Category: Crime Published on Saturday, 25 June 2011 13:30 Written by AHP [IMG]http://defend.ht/images/resized/images/stories/930w_200_200.jpg[/IMG] [Dameus Vikese] [IMG]http://defend.ht/images/resized/images/stories/930v_200_200.jpg[/IMG] [B] QUITO, Ecuador - Haitian citizen, Daméus Vikese, was arrested on at the Quito airport, on Friday while returning to Ecuador accompanied by 34 Haitian men and women. Vikese was wanted for running a "migration scam", following complaints against him. According to these complaints, Vikese, who poses as a Missionary Bishop, but without being able to say what church he belongs to, would offer academic scholarships and visas to study in Ecuador for the payment of a sum that varies between 3500 and 5000 U.S. dollars. In addition to scholarships and visas, the "package" offered by Vikese, also included clothing, food and housing. The complainants say they have been victims of fraud since months have elapsed without any promises made by Vikese realized. On the contrary, after a certain time, they are left abandoned in a house, where they live in deplorable conditions. The judge before whom he appeared on 17 June found that there was sufficient evidence to initiate a migration scam investigation. To ensure that the accused did not escape from appearing before justice, the judge ordered his detention during the investigation period. It is a measure established by Ecuadorian legislation to ensure that the person on which is the survey does not take the leak and answer for his actions, once established responsibilities. 34 Young Haitians are currently in a regular in Ecuador migratory situation because they have a permit of stay of 90 days as tourists. In oûtre, they did object to any charge. However, since their attendant was detained by the Ecuadorian authorities, they were placed in a facility under the full responsibility of the Ministry of Justice. Young Haitians are not in custody, they can move freely, but they feel more and more frustrated and confused that they realize the deception which they have been victims, like other young Haitians who had entered in Ecuador before them, fooled by the same promises of scholarships. The Vikese operator had ordered them to dress in seminarian to suggest came to Ecuador to attend a religious meeting. Doing that is the third similar case which he took conaisance, the Jesuit Service for refugees and Migrants calls for the cessation of the use of religion for purposes of exploitation. The organization appealed to the Haitian civil society and especially to the youth of this country to remain vigilant false promises of unscrupulous people who take advantage of their situation of despair and lack of prospects for the future. An appeal is also launched to Latin American States so that they find creative solutions to help more effectively the company Haitian, facing a difficult situation due to the earthquake followed of a cholera epidemic, plus deforestation and chronic poverty. [/B] Edited on 9/16/2011 5:58 PM by Atabey. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck |
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| #9 - Posted 16 September 2011, 12:31 PM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12104 | RE: The Haitian people are moving! QUITO, Ecuador - Haitian citizen, Daméus Vikese, was arrested on at the Quito airport, on Friday while returning to Ecuador accompanied by 34 Haitian men and women. Vikese was wanted for running a "migration scam", following complaints against him. According to these complaints, Vikese, who poses as a Missionary Bishop, but without being able to say what church he belongs to, would offer academic scholarships and visas to study in Ecuador for the payment of a sum that varies between 3500 and 5000 U.S. dollars. In addition to scholarships and visas, the "package" offered by Vikese, also included clothing, food and housing. The complainants say they have been victims of fraud since months have elapsed without any promises made by Vikese realized. On the contrary, after a certain time, they are left abandoned in a house, where they live in deplorable conditions. The judge before whom he appeared on 17 June found that there was sufficient evidence to initiate a migration scam investigation. To ensure that the accused did not escape from appearing before justice, the judge ordered his detention during the investigation period. It is a measure established by Ecuadorian legislation to ensure that the person on which is the survey does not take the leak and answer for his actions, once established responsibilities. 34 Young Haitians are currently in a regular in Ecuador migratory situation because they have a permit of stay of 90 days as tourists. In oûtre, they did object to any charge. However, since their attendant was detained by the Ecuadorian authorities, they were placed in a facility under the full responsibility of the Ministry of Justice. Young Haitians are not in custody, they can move freely, but they feel more and more frustrated and confused that they realize the deception which they have been victims, like other young Haitians who had entered in Ecuador before them, fooled by the same promises of scholarships. The Vikese operator had ordered them to dress in seminarian to suggest came to Ecuador to attend a religious meeting. Doing that is the third similar case which he took conaisance, the Jesuit Service for refugees and Migrants calls for the cessation of the use of religion for purposes of exploitation. The organization appealed to the Haitian civil society and especially to the youth of this country to remain vigilant false promises of unscrupulous people who take advantage of their situation of despair and lack of prospects for the future. An appeal is also launched to Latin American States so that they find creative solutions to help more effectively the company Haitian, facing a difficult situation due to the earthquake followed of a cholera epidemic, plus deforestation and chronic poverty. Edited on 9/16/2011 6:00 PM by Atabey. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck |
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| #10 - Posted 16 September 2011, 1:46 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: January 2010 Member #: 4455 Posts: 1387 | RE: The Haitian people are moving! King cut n paste, Ecuador Population - 14,573,101. Total Haitians over 1000 causing the increase in crime in Ecuador. Not poverty, lack of opportunity, or the disenfranchised its the newcomers. Sorry don't buy it. Its called xenophobia. Read any new York newspaper and guess who gets blamed for most of the crime. Rica friend lives in lala land. |
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