| #21 - Posted 16 September 2011, 4:53 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo Join date: April 2008 Member #: 594 Posts: 5142 | RE: The Haitian people are moving! Quote: ignoranceisbliss previously said: Quote: Ricardolito previously said: I had dinner last night with three men from Equador who were telling me that their country was becoming much more dangerous because of the influx of people from Haiti without any money or job ,,and just look at the distance they had to travel ..I wonder if there is some resettlement programme or are the Haitians just going whereever they can When you tell a story make sure its believable. I see that both the UK and Australia have increased their travel warnings in Equador because of the sharp increase in robberies and in kidnapping so I am assuming that what these people from Equador told me has some truth and I can see no reason for them to lie I am now reading on the net accounts of hundreds if not thousands of Haitians making the trek through Peru , Equador and Boliviar en route to Brazil and the numbers of human trafficers ,so ignoranceisbliss. you have lived up to your name Edited on 9/16/2011 4:59 PM by Ricardolito. |
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| #22 - Posted 16 September 2011, 6:10 PM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12104 | RE: The Haitian people are moving! [QUOTE=Ricardolito] [QUOTE=ignoranceisbliss] [QUOTE=Ricardolito] I had dinner last night with three men from Equador who were telling me that their country was becoming much more dangerous because of the influx of people from Haiti without any money or job ,,and just look at the distance they had to travel ..I wonder if there is some resettlement programme or are the Haitians just going whereever they can [/QUOTE] When you tell a story make sure its believable. [/QUOTE] I see that both the UK and Australia have increased their travel warnings in Equador because of the sharp increase in robberies and in kidnapping so I am assuming that what these people from Equador told me has some truth and I can see no reason for them to lie I am now reading on the net accounts of hundreds if not thousands of Haitians making the trek through Peru , Equador and Boliviar en route to Brazil and the numbers of human trafficers ,so ignoranceisbliss. you have lived up to your name [/QUOTE] Friday, 13 May 2011 13:24 Haitians Smuggled into Brazil Via Drug Routes Written by Laura Gomez [IMG]http://insightcrime.org/media/k2/items/cache/ac9ff722ccee9f796dea38c810f03e02_L.jpg[/IMG] Haitians Smuggled into Brazil Via Drug Routes Share Brazil's authorities are concerned about the increasing number of refugees from Haiti flooding into the country, traveling over routes more commonly used for drug trafficking. The Haitian immigrants often travel through the Amazon region, guided by "coyotes" who charge between two thousand and five thousand dollars, reports Deutsche Welle. The migrants travel through the neighboring Dominican Republic, to Panama, then through Ecuador, Colombia, Peru and Bolivia, crossing into Brazil in Tabatinga, Amazonas state, or Assis Brazil, Acre. [Guille: Haitians ARE traveling via third countries Brazil has received more than 1,300 applications for asylum from Haitian nationals since the earthquake which hit the island nation in January 2010. None of these have been accepted, according to the report, as natural disasters do not qualify people for asylum status. http://insightcrime.org/insight-latest-news/item/917-haitians-smuggled-into-brazil-via-drug-routes Edited on 9/16/2011 6:11 PM by Atabey. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck |
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| #23 - Posted 16 September 2011, 6:17 PM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12104 | RE: The Haitian people are moving! Brasil | 13.05.2011 Entrada ilegal de haitianos no Brasil preocupa autoridades Fugindo do Haiti, imigrantes buscam melhores condições no Brasil Fugindo do Haiti, imigrantes buscam melhores condições no Brasil Em busca de condições melhores, haitianos entram no país ilegalmente, com a ajuda de atravessadores. Situação preocupa autoridades. Mais de mil pedidos de refúgio aguardam definição da Justiça brasileira. No meio da Floresta Amazônica, longe da vigilância oficial, a rota ilegal do tráfico de drogas passou a ser a porta de entrada de haitianos no Brasil. Os imigrantes pagam de 2 a 5 mil dólares para cruzar as fronteiras com a ajuda dos chamados "coiotes". "Esses são relatos dos próprios haitianos que entram no país. Eles contratam pessoas que conhecem a rota do tráfico, muitas vezes traficantes. E quando chegam ao território brasileiro, eles pedem o refúgio", revelou à Deutsche Welle o procurador da República do estado do Acre. Desde o devastador terremoto no Haiti, em janeiro de 2010, a Justiça brasileira recebeu 1.377 pedidos de refúgio de cidadãos haitianos. Mas nenhum foi concedido. "A política brasileira de refúgio é direcionada àqueles que efetivamente são obrigados a sair de seu país de origem devido a fundados temores de perseguição por motivos de raça, religião, nacionalidade, grupo social ou opinião política", esclareceu a nota enviada pelo Ministério da Justiça à Deutsche Welle. Segundo a lei nacional, portanto, os haitianos não se enquadram na condição de refugiado. Rota da esperança Depois da catástrofe que abalou o território haitiano, seguida pela epidemia de cólera e a degradação da já precária condição de subsistência naquele país, vários imigrantes passaram a ver no Brasil uma chance de melhoria de vida. A maneira de entrada no território, no entanto, despertou a preocupação das autoridades. Segundo o procurador Ricardo Gralha Massia, a via ilegal virou uma alternativa porque os haitianos passaram a ser barrados pela Polícia Federal. "Todos os dias chegam haitianos na fronteira do Brasil. Na semana passada, eram mais de 30 tentando entrar no país em Apari, que é o município no Peru que faz fronteira com Assis Brasil, no estado do Acre." A rota da fuga passa pela República Dominicana, Panamá, Equador, Colômbia, Peru e Bolívia. A entrada ilegal em território brasileiro acontece por Tabatinga, no estado do Amazonas, e em Assis Brasil, no Acre. O próximo passo, então, é entrar com o pedido de refúgio. Com o protocolo em mãos, o solicitante obtém o visto provisório por 90 dias, prorrogável até que o caso seja analisado pelo Conare, o Comitê Nacional para Refugiados. A Justiça brasileira, no entanto, ainda continua analisando os mais de mil casos em andamento, ou seja: esses haitianos prosseguem com uma situação jurídica indefinida. "A resposta do Conare precisa ser mais rápida. O adequado para uma política clara de imigração seria estimular os haitianos a formularem o pedido de ingresso na Embaixada do Brasil. Seria a porta de entrada para o visto de permanência para fins de trabalho, de forma regular", critica Massia. Condição legal O governo brasileiro concedeu residência permanente a 197 haitianos que chegaram ao país desde o ano passado. Depois de duas audiências públicas convocadas na última semana pela Procuradoria da República no Acre para destravar a questão, o Ministério da Justiça informou que os pedidos de refúgio deverão ser convertidos em visto de permanência, e que foram encaminhados ao Conselho Nacional de Imigração, do Ministério do Trabalho. Professores universitários, dentistas, profissionais especializados formam a lista de haitianos que aguardam a decisão da Justiça para viverem legalmente em solo brasileiro. "As questões humanitárias e a motivação que trazem esses haitianos ao Brasil devem ser levadas em consideração. Há uma postura do Brasil de não deportá-los", comenta o procurador. Com o benefício do visto de residência permanente, o imigrante pode solicitar o registro na Polícia Federal e a carteira de identidade para estrangeiros, que garante todos os direitos civis no Brasil. "É possível que nem todos os pedidos que estão sendo analisados sejam liberados. Pessoas com pendências na Justiça não vão obter a residência no Brasil. Enquanto isso, eles estão sendo mantidos no país apoiados pelos governos estaduais e municipais, e as pastorais dos imigrantes, entre outras entidades civis", esclarece a Ministério brasileiro da Justiça. Autora: Nádia Pontes Revisão: Augusto Valente Rough translation: Illegal Entry of haitians in Brazil are concerned authorities Fleeing from Haiti, immigrants seeking better conditions in Brazil By fleeing from Haiti, immigrants seeking better conditions in Brazil in search of better conditions, haitians come into the country illegally, with the help of middlemen. Concerned authorities. More than 1,000 requests for refuge awaiting definition of Justice brasileira. In the middle of the Amazon Forest, far from the official surveillance, the route of illegal drug trafficking has become the gateway of haitians in Brazil. Immigrants pay from 2 to 5 thousand dollars to cross the borders with the help of so-called "coyote". "These are reports of their own haitians entering the country. They hire people they know the route of trafficking, often traffickers. And when they reach the brazilian territory, they are asking for the refuge", revealed the Deutsche Welle the prosecutor of the Republic in the state of Acre. Since the devastating earthquake in Haiti in January 2010, Justice brazilian received 1,377 requests for refuge of citizens haitians. But none has been granted. "The brazilian policy of refuge and directed at those who actually are obliged to leave their country of origin because of the unfounded fears of persecution on grounds of race, religion, nationality, social group or political opinion", explained the note sent by the Ministry of Justice to Deutsche Welle. According to national law, therefore, the haitians did not fit the status of a refugee. The Route of the hope After the disaster that has struck the haitian territory, followed by a cholera epidemic and the degradation of the already precarious condition of subsistence in that country, many immigrants have come to see in Brazil a chance of improvement of life. THE way of entry to the territory, however, aroused the concern of the authorities. According to the prosecutor Ricardo Vulture Massia, the illegal means turned an alternative because the haitians started to be hindered by Federal Police. "All the days arrive haitians at the border of Brazil. In the past week, there were over 30 trying to enter the country in Disaster Strikes, it is the municipality in Peru that forms the border with Assis Brasil, in the state of Acre." The route of escape is replaced by the Dominican Republic, Panama, Ecuador, Colombia, Peru and Bolivia. The unlawful entry of brazilian territory happens by Tabatinga, in the state of Amazonas, and Assis Brasil, in Acre. The next step, then, is to go in with the request for refuge. With the protocol in hand, the applicant obtains the provisional visa for 90 days, extendable up to which the case is examined by Conare, the National Committee for Refugees. THE brazilian Justice, however, is still analyzing the more than 1,000 cases in progress, or is: these haitians are continuing with a legal situation indefinitely. "The response to Conare needs to be more rapid. THE appropriate for a clear policy of immigration would stimulate the haitians to formulate the application for admission to the Embassy of Brazil. It would be the entrance door to the residence for purposes of work, on a regular basis", criticizes Massia. Legal Condition The brazilian government has granted permanent residence on the 197 haitians who arrived in the country since last year. After two public hearings convened last week by the Office of the Prosecutor of the Republic in Acre to unlock the issue, the Ministry of Justice reported that the applications of refuge should be converted to residence, and who were referred to the National Council on Immigration, the Ministry of Labor. University Teachers, dentists, specialized professionals form the list of haitians that are still awaiting the decision of Justice to live legally in brazilian soil. "The humanitarian issues and the motivation that bring these haitians to Brazil must be taken into account. There is a posture of Brazil not deport them", says the prosecutor. With the benefit of the visa for permanent residence, the immigrant can request the record in Federal Police and the identity card for foreigners, which guarantees all civil rights in Brazil. "IT IS possible that not all applications that are currently being analyzed are released. People with contingencies in Justice will not obtain the residence in Brazil. In the meantime, they are being kept in the country supported by state and municipal governments, and the pastoral care of migrants, among other civil entities", explains the brazilian Ministry of Justice. Edited on 9/16/2011 6:25 PM by Atabey. 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| #24 - Posted 19 September 2011, 12:48 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 5804 | RE: The Haitian people are moving! Anyway you can summarize the article. it is long and difficult to read. I want to know what is in it but I don't want to know that bad..............Just high light on the important points and gives us your opinion at the end. You know, just like cliff notes, we all once used in college and/or HS Edited on 9/19/2011 12:48 AM by guillermone. |
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| #25 - Posted 19 September 2011, 8:05 AM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12104 | RE: The Haitian people are moving! Quote: guillermone previously said: Anyway you can summarize the article. it is long and difficult to read. I want to know what is in it but I don't want to know that bad..............Just high light on the important points and gives us your opinion at the end. You know, just like cliff notes, we all once used in college and/or HS Haitians are seeking refugee status in Brazil. And more are coming since the Earthquake. Haitians are using not only the DR, but Panama, Ecuador, Colombia, Peru and Bolivia as escape avenues Brazil doesn't want them and refuses to grant them refugee status. "The route of escape is replaced by the Dominican Republic, Panama, Ecuador, Colombia, Peru and Bolivia. The unlawful entry of brazilian territory happens by Tabatinga, in the state of Amazonas, and Assis Brasil, in Acre. The next step, then, is to go in with the request for refuge. With the protocol in hand, the applicant obtains the provisional visa for 90 days, extendable up to which the case is examined by Conare, the National Committee for Refugees. THE brazilian Justice, however, is still analyzing the more than 1,000 cases in progress, or is: these haitians are continuing with a legal situation indefinitely. "The response to Conare needs to be more rapid. THE appropriate for a clear policy of immigration would stimulate the haitians to formulate the application for admission to the Embassy of Brazil. " "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck |
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| #26 - Posted 19 September 2011, 8:35 AM | |
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| #27 - Posted 19 September 2011, 8:49 AM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12104 | RE: The Haitian people are moving! Quote: brasilenosisback previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: Here's a suggestion: Why not use the foreign troops in Haiti to man ONLY the border region and target illegal transit between the two nations Martelly can have his Haitian forces and the people of Haiti will only see these forces when trying to legally or illegally enter or return from the DR. DR will have more resources to prevent the illegal flows from the West. Win-Win situation What's not to like about such a scenario ![]() "What not to like about such a scenario"? I can tell you numerous reasons why this scenario is rediculous. The reason there is illegal transit between the two country is because of the profit generated from this conduct. Dominican officials both in the military and government routinely ignore or look the otherway from this conduct. That is because they recieve pay-offs and kick backs from these Haitians entering the country illegally. Nothing will change, instituting your suggestions would only replace corrupt Dominican officials with corrupt UN officials. Money talks.... B.S. doesn't! A better solution would be to open the border up to more trade between the countries, or better yet, just unite the countries into one country. A better solution you say "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck |
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| #28 - Posted 19 September 2011, 9:47 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 5804 | RE: The Haitian people are moving! Quote: Atabey previously said: Quote: brasilenosisback previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: Here's a suggestion: Why not use the foreign troops in Haiti to man ONLY the border region and target illegal transit between the two nations Martelly can have his Haitian forces and the people of Haiti will only see these forces when trying to legally or illegally enter or return from the DR. DR will have more resources to prevent the illegal flows from the West. Win-Win situation What's not to like about such a scenario ![]() "What not to like about such a scenario"? I can tell you numerous reasons why this scenario is rediculous. The reason there is illegal transit between the two country is because of the profit generated from this conduct. Dominican officials both in the military and government routinely ignore or look the otherway from this conduct. That is because they recieve pay-offs and kick backs from these Haitians entering the country illegally. Nothing will change, instituting your suggestions would only replace corrupt Dominican officials with corrupt UN officials. Money talks.... B.S. doesn't! A better solution would be to open the border up to more trade between the countries, or better yet, just unite the countries into one country. A better solution you say EXCELLENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| #29 - Posted 19 September 2011, 9:53 AM | |
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| #30 - Posted 19 September 2011, 10:00 AM | |
Location: United States, El cuarto bate Join date: March 2009 Member #: 2300 Posts: 10466 | RE: The Haitian people are moving! Quote: brasilenosisback previously said: Quote: guillermone previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: Quote: brasilenosisback previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: Here's a suggestion: Why not use the foreign troops in Haiti to man ONLY the border region and target illegal transit between the two nations Martelly can have his Haitian forces and the people of Haiti will only see these forces when trying to legally or illegally enter or return from the DR. DR will have more resources to prevent the illegal flows from the West. Win-Win situation What's not to like about such a scenario ![]() "What not to like about such a scenario"? I can tell you numerous reasons why this scenario is rediculous. The reason there is illegal transit between the two country is because of the profit generated from this conduct. Dominican officials both in the military and government routinely ignore or look the otherway from this conduct. That is because they recieve pay-offs and kick backs from these Haitians entering the country illegally. Nothing will change, instituting your suggestions would only replace corrupt Dominican officials with corrupt UN officials. Money talks.... B.S. doesn't! A better solution would be to open the border up to more trade between the countries, or better yet, just unite the countries into one country. A better solution you say EXCELLENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unification is the answer, unifying the entire island of hispanola. In one day the Haitian question would be solved. The problem started with the people on the island, let it be solved by them. unite under one country. That won't work dude |
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