| #1 - Posted 6 October 2011, 7:21 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10356 | US$110 billion in infrastructure Do you think this is nonsense? US$110 billion in infrastructure The president of the Dominican Chamber for Construction (CADOCON), engineer Diego de Moya Canaan, said on Wednesday that for this country to reach the level of development of South Korea it would have to invest in highways, bridges, ports, aqueducts, rural roadways, electricity, housing, communications as well as other needed projects. He estimated that the cost of these investments would be around US$110 billion. Speaking as the invited guest at a luncheon meeting hosted by the Dominican Federation of Small and Medium Construction Enterprises, De Moya Canaan said that in order to reach this goal there had to be an alliance between the public and private sectors. He said that the PPP Model (Public and Private Projects) is the only way for this to work in Latin America and the Caribbean. He suggested that in order for this to happen the governments did not need to borrow money from the IMF or anyone else. He said that by providing the business community with the construction of the projects that are needed in the country under a concession, the projects can be done and they later become property of the state. All of this, of course, has to obey the laws and be passed by the Congress. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A few bus lanes, buses , light railways, cycle tracks, reduction in electricty consumption combined with a solar panel plant, low cost housing doesn't add up to the concrete jungle of this proposal. Stupid - that's 10,000 dollars for each Dominican , man, woman and child. They would sure like to build roads from nowhere to nowhere! This is four times the yearly minimum wage. (Approx 8000 peso a month) Concentrate on food, education, low cost transport means. S. Edited on 10/6/2011 7:22 PM by abc200. |
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| #2 - Posted 6 October 2011, 7:27 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 17818 | RE: US$110 billion in infrastructure no amount of infrastructure will bring this country up to Korean standards. first , you would need Koreans to run it |
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| #3 - Posted 6 October 2011, 7:36 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10356 | RE: US$110 billion in infrastructure Quote: dreadlocks previously said: no amount of infrastructure will bring this country up to Korean standards. first , you would need Koreans to run it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bus_rapid_transit_systems Actually I have found many of the intercity bus serivces in DR very efficient. Buses and bus lanes have proved a success in many countries. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bus_rapid_transit_systems DR housing in general does not have Korean winters., Parking will not be required in the DR. http://www.bustler.net/index.php/article/cie._wins_design_masterpiece_housing_competition_in_seoul/ Many Asian cities have met with housing success. http://chartercities.org/blog/77/housing-in-hong-kong-singapore-and-korea-richard-green-usc S. Edited on 10/6/2011 7:46 PM by abc200. |
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| #4 - Posted 6 October 2011, 7:55 PM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12104 | RE: US$110 billion in infrastructure It's a good thing Dready wants Dominicans to think outside the box Imagine if he advocated they not This 110 billion sum reminds me of a little exercise a friend and I had while I was visiting Costa Rica 20 years ago. At the time we allowed our minds to wonder and think how much investments it would take to make Costa Rica a wealthy First World nation-state. The figure he came up with was about 100 billion dollars! So I don't think this 110 billion figure is too far off the mark. But major changes have to occur. And Dready, if the EU could invest vast sums, more than a trillion actually, in making Greece, Spain, Portugal and other areas modern, why isn't the notion plausible in the Western Hemisphere? Remember what someone said: "people don't think outside the box in DR." Edited on 10/6/2011 8:01 PM by Atabey. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck |
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| #5 - Posted 6 October 2011, 8:02 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 17818 | RE: US$110 billion in infrastructure ok, Atabey, you win. feel better now? if you believe that bridges and tunnels mean modernization, go ahead. if you beiieve that building structures means ¨thinking outside of the box¨, then keep on deluding yourself. as to the nations you mentioned...Greece, Spain , Portugal...yes, they are models of progress and modernization. 100 billion worth, and rising. i realize that you are spoiling for a fight by making constant references to me. i promise that i will not get into a trade of insults with you. can you promise that when i ask you a simple question, i can get a simple answer from YOU, and not some 6 page cut and paste op ed piece? |
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| #6 - Posted 6 October 2011, 8:06 PM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12104 | RE: US$110 billion in infrastructure Quote: dreadlocks previously said: ok, Atabey, you win. feel better now? if you believe that bridges and tunnels mean modernization, go ahead. if you beiieve that building structures means ¨thinking outside of the box¨, then keep on deluding yourself. as to the nations you mentioned...Greece, Spain , Portugal...yes, they are models of progress and modernization. 100 billion worth, and rising. i realize that you are spoiling for a fight by making constant references to me. i promise that i will not get into a trade of insults with you. can you promise that when i ask you a simple question, i can get a simple answer from YOU, and not some 6 page cut and paste op ed piece? It's not that modernization isn't about all these and the ones you sight, but that this is clearly an example of someone doing what many people say NOT ENOUGH DOMINICANS ARE DOING: thinking in terms of massively re-articulating the entire society, because make no mistake about this, to invest such a massive sum would indeed fundamentally change the DR for ever. BTW. I'm not spoiling for a fight Dready, just pointing out inconsistencies in your message. Game is on, I'll post later. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck |
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| #7 - Posted 6 October 2011, 9:27 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10356 | RE: US$110 billion in infrastructure DR could make a big move to sustainability. http://www.euractiv.com/sustainability/france-devises-sustainable-development-barometer/article-189134 The latest trains: The Siemens Velaro is a good example. This fourth generation high-speed train consumes only 0.14 gallons of fuel per seat per 100 miles. http://www.usa.siemens.com/sustainable-cities/index.html?stc=usccc025099 S. |
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| #8 - Posted 6 October 2011, 10:51 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 933 Posts: 7988 | RE: US$110 billion in infrastructure Quote: dreadlocks previously said: no amount of infrastructure will bring this country up to Korean standards. first , you would need Koreans to run it have to agree with you on that one!!! Proof of dreadlocks Bigotry. "....... what did Cubans do to deserve preferential treatment?......and treat Black people in the most racist of ways.......... the Cubans are just a bunch of uberracist savages." : I WILL NOT ANSWER ANY POSTS BY THE BIGOT KNOWN AS DREADLOCKS. |
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| #9 - Posted 6 October 2011, 11:39 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10356 | RE: US$110 billion in infrastructure Also train the Dominican army? S. Quote: anthonyC previously said: Quote: dreadlocks previously said: no amount of infrastructure will bring this country up to Korean standards. first , you would need Koreans to run it have to agree with you on that one!!! |
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| #10 - Posted 6 October 2011, 11:49 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 933 Posts: 7988 | RE: US$110 billion in infrastructure Quote: abc200 previously said: Also train the Dominican army? S. Quote: anthonyC previously said: Quote: dreadlocks previously said: no amount of infrastructure will bring this country up to Korean standards. first , you would need Koreans to run it have to agree with you on that one!!! Tae Kwon Do is Korean for please don't beat me up! Proof of dreadlocks Bigotry. "....... what did Cubans do to deserve preferential treatment?......and treat Black people in the most racist of ways.......... the Cubans are just a bunch of uberracist savages." : I WILL NOT ANSWER ANY POSTS BY THE BIGOT KNOWN AS DREADLOCKS. |
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