| #1 - Posted 8 October 2011, 12:25 PM | |
Location: United States, Quisqueya Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 9150 | SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR? ![]() The secretary of state of the US Hillary Clinton visited us this week, to lobby for the rights of Haitians that invade the DR, and demand nationality papers. The Obama administration is showing again its true colors, encouraging benefits for illegal Haitians, regardless of any pertaining Dominican immigration laws or our constitution. Like someone said many times before, and we are repeating here again: Countries do not have friends, they have interests....... The proposed unification of the DR and Haiti and the "shotgun wedding" of our two nations, is a thesis that will never happen, simply because of the many factors that have been explored in this forum in the past, relating to historical grievances, more history of constant Haitian military incursions and aggression, attempts to vilify the DR by Haiti in world forums, constant trespassing and disregard for our borders by Haitians, and hidden agenda to encourage immigration to DR by Haitian governments, to relieve the pressure on themselves, and dispatch those "untouchables" and escapees into the care of the DR nation. Besides the humungous differences in language, religious beliefs, cultural differences, mindset, political and philosophical abyss, raison d' etre, there are NO economic advantages for the DR for the two nations to merge, and abundant economic disadvantages. The major powers that think this union is a good idea, better think again, and go back to the drawing board, to explore other options. Haiti is a failed state in more ways than one, the DR is not the solution to Haiti's rosary of problems. This merging of two nations will never happen, and instead the economic destabilization of the DR, brought upon by the international policy of promoting the exportation of the Haitian "untouchables" to the Dominican territory, will destabilize both islands and create a failed island state of 20 million persons, whose only option will be to travel to Florida or Puerto Rico in an exodus so immense that it would be impossible to control. Edited on 10/21/2011 12:37 PM by generoso. Ignorance is temporary, stupidity lasts forever. |
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| #2 - Posted 8 October 2011, 12:41 PM | |
Location: United States, Quisqueya Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 9150 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? Archbishop De la Rosa Carpio, spoke bravely standing up for the laws and constitution of the DR, and the attempts to continuously vilify us, in world forums, by interested parties. We must NOT take this aggression sitting down. Our "vende-patria" politicians that have been bought and sold, and think of our country as a flea market or trading bazaar, remained mute, by the remarks of Ms. Hillary Clinton, secretary of state, and most powerful lady, from the once powerful country in the north, now becoming a toothless tiger, thanks to the mistaken policies of the past three US administrations. It is shameful that an ordained priest is the only one voicing their concern for this public humiliation that the DR must endure silently, when foreign nationals, not even suggesting, but trying to intimidate the DR, to put our own house in order, disregarding the many years of very clear immigration laws that are in the books, and have been recently revised and updated. Shame on you! And shame on all of you that remain silent! Ignorance is temporary, stupidity lasts forever. |
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| #3 - Posted 8 October 2011, 12:48 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10356 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? I'm sure that in the fullness of time the Caribbean nations will form a type of EU with individual nations retaining limited sovereignty but with good movement of labor etc. Also regional policies aimed at developing underdeveloped regions etc. DR has the potential of being a breadbasket of the region but also needs much housing, schools etc. Actually China and Japan have reasonable relationships today despite Japanese occupation of substantial portions of China relatively recently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War The same with Germany and Poland. Does anyone know how many Haitians are productively employed in construction, agriculture etc. in the DR at the moment? Much DR food is exported to Haiti. Clearly there is a long history of Haitians being employed in the Sugar Cane fields - most times under poor conditions. S. Quote: generoso previously said: ![]() The secretary of state of the US Hillary Clinton visited us this week, to lobby for the rights of Haitians that invade the DR, and demand nationality papers. The Obama administration is showing again its true colors, encouraging benefits for illegal Haitians, regardless of any pertaining Dominican immigration laws or our constitution. Like someone said many times before, and we are repeating here again: Countries do not have friends, they have interests....... The proposed unification of the DR and Haiti and the "shotgun wedding" of our two nations, is a thesis that will never happen, simply because of the many factors that have been explored in this forum in the past, relating to historical grievances, more history of constant Haitian military incursions and aggression, attempts to vilify the DR by Haiti in world forums, constant trespassing and disregard for our borders by Haitians, and hidden agenda to encourage immigration to DR by Haitian governments, to relieve the pressure on themselves, and dispatch those "untouchables" and escapees into the care of the DR nation. Besides the humungous differences in language, religious beliefs, cultural differences, mindset, political and philosophical abyss, raison d' etre, there are NO economic advantages for the DR for the two nations to merge, and abundant economic disadvantages. The major powers that think this union is a good idea, better think again, and go back to the drawing board, to explore other options. Haiti is a failed state in more ways than one, the DR is not the solution to Haiti's rosary of problems. This merging of two nations will never happen, and instead the economic destabilization of the DR, brought upon by the international policy of promoting the exportation of the Haitian "untouchables" to the Dominican territory, will destabilize both islands and create a failed island state of 20 million persons, whose only option will be to travel to Florida or Puerto Rico in an exodus so immense that it would be impossible to control. |
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| #4 - Posted 8 October 2011, 12:50 PM | |
Location: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 3390 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? Quote: generoso previously said: ![]() The secretary of state of the US Hillary Clinton visited us this week, to lobby for the rights of Haitians that invade the DR, and demand nationality papers. The Obama administration is showing again its true colors, encouraging benefits for illegal Haitians, regardless of any pertaining Dominican immigration laws or our constitution. Like someone said many times before, and we are repeating here again: Countries do not have friends, they have interests....... The proposed unification of the DR and Haiti and the "shotgun wedding" of our two nations, is a thesis that will never happen, simply because of the many factors that have been explored in this forum in the past, relating to historical grievances, more history of constant Haitian military incursions and aggression, attempts to vilify the DR by Haiti in world forums, constant trespassing and disregard for our borders by Haitians, and hidden agenda to encourage immigration to DR by Haitian governments, to relieve the pressure on themselves, and dispatch those "untouchables" and escapees into the care of the DR nation. Besides the humungous differences in language, religious beliefs, cultural differences, mindset, political and philosophical abyss, raison d' etre, there are NO economic advantages for the DR for the two nations to merge, and abundant economic disadvantages. The major powers that think this union is a good idea, better think again, and go back to the drawing board, to explore other options. Haiti is a failed state in more ways than one, the DR is not the solution to Haiti's rosary of problems. This merging of two nations will never happen, and instead the economic destabilization of the DR, brought upon by the international policy of promoting the exportation of the Haitian "untouchables" to the Dominican territory, will destabilize both islands and create a failed island state of 20 million persons, whose only option will be to travel to Florida or Puerto Rico in an exodus so immense that it would be impossible to control. I think you have unlocked the puzzle and understood what these people are all about. Everything seems to fit. I cannot believe that Obama or any other president will accomplish this, however. I think there would be a Dominican revolution before that happens. |
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| #5 - Posted 8 October 2011, 12:56 PM | |
Location: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 3390 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? ABC, this topic is beyond your realm of understanding, perhaps you should stick to a gameboy. |
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| #6 - Posted 8 October 2011, 1:04 PM | |
Location: United States, Quisqueya Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 9150 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? From Dominican Today: Clinton told ‘practice what you preach’ on Haitians issue Official cites massive deportation of aliens by the US ![]() Santo Domingo.- A Catholic Church Archbishop as well as the Immigration Agency director yesterday rebuked U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s statements Wednesday on Dominican Republic’s treatment of Haitians, and asked Washington to practice what it preaches by doing more for the impoverished country. Santiago archbishop Ramon de la Rosa y Carpio asked the U.S. government to provide more funds to help Haiti, instead of “washing its hands blaming the Dominican Republic of violating Haitians’ rights and pressing the country to bear responsibility of immigration which is the Haiti Government’s problem and not of the Dominicans." Immigration Agency director Jose Ricardo Taveras said the country is more concerned with the Haitians and Haiti than the international community and the nation Clinton represents, by irresponsibly leaving the problem’s burden entirely on Dominicans. Taveras said he agrees with U.S. Homeland Security secretary Janet Napolitano’s position of conducting deportations en masse to guarantee her country’s national security. “What I truly believe is that the Secretary (Clinton) was induced to the error, because here there’re no nationality problems. The Dominican Constitution is very clearly who are Dominicans and who are not. Here what there is, is a problem of an irregular immigration.” Edited on 10/8/2011 1:08 PM by generoso. Ignorance is temporary, stupidity lasts forever. |
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| #7 - Posted 8 October 2011, 1:07 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10356 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? Post was deleted (low rank) |
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| #8 - Posted 8 October 2011, 1:07 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 17818 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? yumnuk observes ABC, this topic is beyond your realm of understanding, perhaps you should stick to a gameboy or, maybe, a gamebong |
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| #9 - Posted 8 October 2011, 1:19 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 17818 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? General, the guy just cannot focus. start a thread on agricultural opportunities in the caribbean, and , suddenly, he gives us some article about making butane lamps in Myanmar, from horse droppings. i have no idea what his problem is. actually, i do, but it is not polite to say it. |
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| #10 - Posted 8 October 2011, 1:22 PM | |
Location: United States, Quisqueya Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 9150 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? Quote: dreadlocks previously said: General, the guy just cannot focus. start a thread on agricultural opportunities in the caribbean, and , suddenly, he gives us some article about making butane lamps in Myanmar, from horse droppings. i have no idea what his problem is. actually, i do, but it is not polite to say it. Dread, I have had the first good guttural laugh of the day Please reveal to us your vision Ignorance is temporary, stupidity lasts forever. |
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