| #21 - Posted 9 October 2011, 11:42 AM | |
Location: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 3390 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: BernardJeanPierre previously said: Quote: anthonyC previously said: Any Dominican who voted for Obama or most Democrats are voting against their homeland. Obama is just like any other President, he will inevitably make some things better and some things worse. Some people will be happy about the things he does others will not, what else is new? If a person has the right to vote to begin with it means their homeland is ALSO the US. Furthermore, the voting process takes place BEFORE the person is elected. In other words it is impossible to determine how good or bad a job an elected official will do before they are given office. So it's not really reasonable to say that any Dominican who voted for Obama did something against the Dominican Republic because logically had they any indication that it would have adverse affects on the Dominican Republic (which is not strong point anyway) they would have none done so. The people of the Dominican Republic should concern themselves with the officials THEY put into office and hold them accountable. Some things can be attributed to Haitians, and others to the meddling of the US but NOT everything. Obama may not be perfect but he is also allowing US tourism to the Dominican Republic so at best hay que tomar la pica con la miel. It could always be worse. And as I have always said if the world banking powers at large want the Dominican Republic and Haiti to merge, it will and will have nothing to do with the wishes of the US, Haiti, the Dominican Republic or anywhere else. Those who have the money call the shots, and on that level Haiti and the Dominican Republic are economically insignicant to consider. So if it does happen I van only hope people on both sides grow up and quick thinking that their culture, birthplace or skin color makes them special. What took you so long to start your confused diatribe and begin writing your senseless machinations? Read to your psychiatrist the above statement, so he can recommend stronger voltage for your electro shock treatments, and also stronger pills. The verbal incontinence above, reminds of a great Mexican comedian called "Cantinflas" who use to say a lot of quick words, without any meaning whatsoever. I will named you now, Afro-Cantinflas from now on. ![]() ROTLF |
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| #22 - Posted 9 October 2011, 12:57 PM | |
Location: United States, Quisqueya Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 9150 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? Quote: yumnuk3 previously said: Quote: dreadlocks previously said: yumnuk observes ABC, this topic is beyond your realm of understanding, perhaps you should stick to a gameboy or, maybe, a gamebong Dread, every time ABC steps out to go to the corner store the clerk automatically tosses a pack of rolling papers and a Blunt (cigar) on the counter to get rid of him as quickly as possible. On Sundays, ABC200 indulges in magic mushrooms, collected personally from cow dung in LT Ignorance is temporary, stupidity lasts forever. |
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| #23 - Posted 9 October 2011, 2:49 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 5804 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? http://youtu.be/_W4K9hvd1Zk Here is a short but interesting utube video which touches on the topic we are discussing. |
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| #24 - Posted 9 October 2011, 2:51 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 5804 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? Uploaded by quisqueyano1844 on Jul 6, 2008 En este link esta una simple muestra de que siguen avanzando a paso seguro, No es casualidad a quien eligieron como embajador de los estados unidos en nuestro pais, tiene una mision clara y definida: http://www.elcaribe.com.do/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article... Como dominicanos debemos proteger la permanencia de nuestra nacionalidad, de nuestra cultura, de nuestro idioma, protegernos de aquellos que mezquinamente tienen un plan a largo plazo de invadirnos silenciosamente y poco a poco irse convirtiendo en mayoria en nuestro propio pais y poco a poco imponer su cultura y su idioma. Nuestra nacionalidad no fue gratis, muchos de nuestros ancestros murieron para que hoy fueramos una nacion, estos murieron luchando precisamente contra aquellos mismos que quisieron coartarnos ese derecho y convertirnos a fuerzas en parte de su territorio, de su cultura, de su propiedad, esos mismos que en el presente son las "victimas". Somos una nacion con nuestros defectos y virtudes pero una nacion con nuestra propia identidad. Debemos enfrentar a aquellos que conspiran en contra de nuestra patria, de nuestra nacionalidad, de nuestra cultura, de nuestro idioma, silenciosamente, calladamente pero sin jugar el papel que ahora ellos estan jugando.."El de hacerce las victimas", para impedirnos ejercer el derecho que toda nacion soberana en el mundo posee: Deportar inmigrantes ilegales. No es cuestion de que somos negros, que somos blancos, que somos mulatos, es NUESTRO DERECHO. Adonde patriotismo nacionalismo dominicano parte camino perdieron ideales juan pablo duarte sanchez mella todos nuestros heroes. Edited on 10/9/2011 2:53 PM by guillermone. |
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| #25 - Posted 9 October 2011, 3:08 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 5804 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? http://youtu.be/5z_yl7PUh2s More information found on you tube which discusses the same controversial issue. |
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| #26 - Posted 9 October 2011, 7:59 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: January 2011 Member #: 6646 Posts: 1028 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? Quote: guillermone previously said: Quote: BernardJeanPierre previously said: Quote: anthonyC previously said: Any Dominican who voted for Obama or most Democrats are voting against their homeland. Obama is just like any other President, he will inevitably make some things better and some things worse. Some people will be happy about the things he does others will not, what else is new? If a person has the right to vote to begin with it means their homeland is ALSO the US. Furthermore, the voting process takes place BEFORE the person is elected. In other words it is impossible to determine how good or bad a job an elected official will do before they are given office. So it's not really reasonable to say that any Dominican who voted for Obama did something against the Dominican Republic because logically had they any indication that it would have adverse affects on the Dominican Republic (which is not strong point anyway) they would have none done so. The people of the Dominican Republic should concern themselves with the officials THEY put into office and hold them accountable. Some things can be attributed to Haitians, and others to the meddling of the US but NOT everything. Obama may not be perfect but he is also allowing US tourism to the Dominican Republic so at best hay que tomar la pica con la miel. It could always be worse. And as I have always said if the world banking powers at large want the Dominican Republic and Haiti to merge, it will and will have nothing to do with the wishes of the US, Haiti, the Dominican Republic or anywhere else. Those who have the money call the shots, and on that level Haiti and the Dominican Republic are economically insignicant to consider. So if it does happen I van only hope people on both sides grow up and quick thinking that their culture, birthplace or skin color makes them special. Bernard, you keep bringing up in a subtle manner, the same issues over and over again. You repeatedly imply or in some cases directly state that this is all about "skin color" and that Dominicans think they are so how "special" and racially above the Haitian people. You have written multiple posts and after all was said and done in the end you end up saying the same thing. What you really and incorrectly mean is that the root cause of the Haitian problem has something to do with superiority of the races, when in fact the origins of the Dominico/Haitian conflict has nothing to do with racism. At least not on behalf of the Dominican Republic. Nevertheless, it is what prohaitians activists like you do when ever the undocumented Haitian topic comes up and realize they have not one leg to stand on but resort as their only "defense" to pull the race card hidden from under their sleeve. I wish you guys would just stop and accept reality, providing generous concessions or any sort of compromise to favor illegal Haitian nationals on Dominican territory will be detrimental and hurt our country and thus not good for the Dominican Republic. The present chaotic situation in Haiti was by the most part initiated by the United States. They are the culprits who created the big Haitians mess and now they have to clean it up. But they want us to do it for them instead, but we will have nothing of it. Go attack and criticize the US not the DR who is just as much a victim of the whole sitution, but does its part and stands in the middle attempting to assist as best they can. Ultimately we are not the ones responsible to carry this burden. "ESE MUERTO NO LO CARGO YO. QUE LO CARGUE QUIEN LO MATO" http://youtu.be/ED3zs9_Dars You are so quick to say that I same the same things over and over again, sure. That means that I am consistent in what I say. But realistically who doesn't say the same thing on this site?? You do the exact same thing. I can share my opinion and you try to defend your points in the same way. You can try to paint me as some "pro-Haitian" just because I have the decency to not sit by smirking while other people on this site calls them all sorts of insulting things. If you can't see the connection between the Haitian and Domincan history and the racial issues we see today, I would assume that you are either in denial or that you have intentful ignorance. You so adamantly claim that no such connection exist, and yet there are so many things that show differently. you have Dominicans themselves making documentaries and reports showing precisely that. Ever heard of the documental "pelo bueno, pelo malo"? It's made by a Dominican. You remember that report about "certain people" being turned away at certain Santo Domingo clubs? Done by Dominicans. Reality is that all those Haitians are not sneaking in, many of them are here because they paid their entrance fee. So the Dominican government is also partly responsible for the massive Haitian presence because they allowed it to happen and eagerly reaped the benefits of it but now that the problem has grown larger they want take the lazy way out. |
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| #27 - Posted 9 October 2011, 9:10 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 5804 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? Bernard never said there were no racial issues in the DR. Every country has it own particular brand and to varying degrees, conflicts related to race, including Haiti, ironically a country made up mostly of unmixed blacks. Therefore your statement has no bearing to support that the deportation of undocumented Haitians is racially motivated which indicates to me that you missed the point. Black patrons being denied entry into upscale Sto Dgo night clubs, Dominican females obession with hair and private individuals making You Tube videos is totally unrelated, has no bearing, no direct connection to our right to preserve Dominican cultural identy and Sovereignty. This is what you need to understand and get through your head. One thing has nothing to do with the other, they are separate and not equal as one. And yes we are all repeating the same thing. The difference is that you enter the back door, bring up a lot of unrelated stuff to the table but in the end pull out the "race" thing as if it were the root cause of the Dominican/Haitian conflict. Generoso provided us an excellent expository summary of the sociopolitcal developments which explains exactly why Haiti is in the situation it is in today and why the DR finds itself in the middle. I mean, if that is not enough to clarify your confusion then I don't know what will. What you need to accept is that the vast majority of Dominicans want to keep our language and customs. We are overall happy with our country and wish to keep it that way, with the hopes to make it better through constant never ending improvement. Too many undocumented and impoverish Haitians will drag and keep us down, will for ever change the socio-cultural, economic dynamics of the DR the way we know it today. Now is that too much to ask? Why do people like you want to force, super impose upon us that which we do not desire? "ESE MUERTO NO LO CARGO YO. QUE LO CARGUE QUIEN LO MATO" Edited on 10/9/2011 9:39 PM by guillermone. |
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| #28 - Posted 9 October 2011, 9:39 PM | |
Location: United States, Quisqueya Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 9150 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? Quote: guillermone previously said: Bernard never said there were no racial issues in the DR. Every country has it own particular brand and to varying degrees, conflicts related to race, including Haiti, ironically a country made up mostly of unmixed blacks. Therefore your statement has no bearing to support that the deportation of undocumented Haitians is racially motivated which indicates to me that you missed the point. Black patrons being denied entry into upscale Sto Dgo night clubs, Dominican females obession with hair and private individuals making You Tube videos is totally unrelated, has no bearing, no direct connection to our right to preserve Dominican cultural identy and Sovereignty. This is what you need to understand and get through your head. One thing has nothing to do with the other, they are separate and not equal as one. And yes we are all repeating the same thing. The difference is that you enter the back door, bring up a lot of unrelated stuff to the table but in the end pull out the "race" thing as if it were the root cause of the Dominican/Haitian conflict. Generoso provided us an excellent expository summary of the sociopolitcal developments which explains exactly why Haiti is in the situation it is in today and why the DR finds itself in the middle. I mean, if that is not enough to clarify your confusion then I don't know what will. What you need to accept is that the vast majority of Dominicans want to keep our language and customs. We are overall happy with our country and wish to keep it that way, with the hopes to make it better through constant never ending improvement. Too many undocumented and impoverish Haitians will drag and keep us down, will for ever change the socio-cultural, economic dynamics of the DR the way we know it today. Now is that too much to ask? Why do people like you want to force, super impose upon us that which we do not desire? Bro, Afro-Cantinflas is using the Haitian-Chinese constant drop on your head technique. Don't ask why he jumps at any occasion to post his sophisms and untruths, either here or in the daily news section Afro-Cantinflas says nothing new except the same, tired, old arguments that we are tired of reading You are trying to reason with an unreasonable man, who has enough inner conflicts in his personna, to be very confused of his own identity. He is half Haitian, half sephardic Jew, and has lived and visited the DR many times, and aspires to meet a "TanBellaMami" that will go his way. No le des más cuerda a ese trompo loco, please. Ignorance is temporary, stupidity lasts forever. |
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| #29 - Posted 9 October 2011, 9:56 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 5804 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: guillermone previously said: Bernard never said there were no racial issues in the DR. Every country has it own particular brand and to varying degrees, conflicts related to race, including Haiti, ironically a country made up mostly of unmixed blacks. Therefore your statement has no bearing to support that the deportation of undocumented Haitians is racially motivated which indicates to me that you missed the point. Black patrons being denied entry into upscale Sto Dgo night clubs, Dominican females obession with hair and private individuals making You Tube videos is totally unrelated, has no bearing, no direct connection to our right to preserve Dominican cultural identy and Sovereignty. This is what you need to understand and get through your head. One thing has nothing to do with the other, they are separate and not equal as one. And yes we are all repeating the same thing. The difference is that you enter the back door, bring up a lot of unrelated stuff to the table but in the end pull out the "race" thing as if it were the root cause of the Dominican/Haitian conflict. Generoso provided us an excellent expository summary of the sociopolitcal developments which explains exactly why Haiti is in the situation it is in today and why the DR finds itself in the middle. I mean, if that is not enough to clarify your confusion then I don't know what will. What you need to accept is that the vast majority of Dominicans want to keep our language and customs. We are overall happy with our country and wish to keep it that way, with the hopes to make it better through constant never ending improvement. Too many undocumented and impoverish Haitians will drag and keep us down, will for ever change the socio-cultural, economic dynamics of the DR the way we know it today. Now is that too much to ask? Why do people like you want to force, super impose upon us that which we do not desire? Bro, Afro-Cantinflas is using the Haitian-Chinese constant drop on your head technique. Don't ask why he jumps at any occasion to post his sophisms and untruths, either here or in the daily news section Afro-Cantinflas says nothing new except the same, tired, old arguments that we are tired of reading You are trying to reason with an unreasonable man, who has enough inner conflicts in his personna, to be very confused of his own identity. He is half Haitian, half sephardic Jew, and has lived and visited the DR many times, and aspires to meet a "TanBellaMami" that will go his way. No le des más cuerda a ese trompo loco, please. OK- |
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| #30 - Posted 10 October 2011, 12:23 AM | |
Location: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito" Join date: March 2009 Member #: 2380 Posts: 5015 | RE: SHOTGUN WEDDING for DR in the cards? AFRO-CANTINFLAS Conocer al cojo sentao! Las Aguilas son Las Aguilas!!!!!!!! |
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