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another Atabey falsehood

Notice how he has yet to produce any substantial, indeed not even partial, unbiased claim to his assertion that Baseball is a less demanding sport than Soccer. It's true that I hit back hard, remember his "gloves come off" non-sense and bad

yet to produce any substantial evidence? i posted an article, to which i was directed by a fitness coach, which is in the thread. i guess he chose to either ignore, or discredit the findings. i fail to understand how any grown man fails to see that soccer is a far more demanding aerobic sport than baseball.

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Cibaeno, thanks for your kind words. you and i both know that the respect is mutual.

Devin states

I have seen Dread be critical of DR and I have seen him protective of the DR as well

thanks for that, Devin. i am , at present, in a heated battle with a guy who states that the Dominicans protesting in NYC have no right to, and the usual crap about immigration, etc. i reminded him that many of them are legal landed immigrants, and, should the draft be reinstated, they could very well be called up to serve. funny thing is..the guy i am fighting with is a Dominican!

found the article about meningitis, and my statement

Written by: dreadlocks, 16 Apr 2011 12:19 PM
From: United States
VeronicaDR, as usual you are right on point. if the guy dropped dead on the mound from a heart attack, i could understand that set of circumstances. but, bacterial meningitis? people still die from that? in 2011?

it is always so easy to impeach the integrity of Atabey, because he has so little of it.

Yet this remains a personal matter. If in your opinion he doesn't want to change then that is his right. As you said you send him a personal message to try and work things out. Well if you still don't see change after that; why try to change someone via the internet?
Probably all of us here have at some point tried to change something about someone. And all of us have probably seen that it's quite difficult. So why try it to keep hammering that way to someone you:
A: Don't know in real life
B: Communicate with trough the internet

Because there are 3 pages on this thread right now and basicly nothing useful has been said

@Atabey Not trying to rip on you or anything. Just trying to explain things to Dread

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HollandaLovesDR previously said:


Isn't this something you guys have to work out trough personal messages? I do appriciate the apology and admitting you were both wrong, but the responsabilty of getting back to a decent conversational level is up to you guys

i tried that one, Hollanda. i sent him a personal message, as soon as i noticed that he was beginning to ramp up the bons mots, and ad hominems. he acted all surprised, yet continued along the same path. the reason why i made this thread was to put people on notice of chronology. Atabey has great difficulty taking responsibilty for any situation, and pins the blame wherever he can. so, before we hear how much he was trying to keep things on an even keel, and i escalated the matter, i just wanted to memorialize the chronology of events for anyone who might be interested.
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Yet this remains a personal matter. If in your opinion he doesn't want to change then that is his right. As you said you send him a personal message to try and work things out. Well if you still don't see change after that; why try to change someone via the internet?
Probably all of us here have at some point tried to change something about someone. And all of us have probably seen that it's quite difficult. So why try it to keep hammering that way to someone you:
A: Don't know in real life
B: Communicate with trough the internet

Because there are 3 pages on this thread right now and basically nothing useful has been said

@Atabey Not trying to rip on you or anything. Just trying to explain things to Dread

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[B]As a fellow Dominican and from the Heart of the Cibao Valley I have no problems with that, dread, however, will not change. He is highly charged and irrational when you challenge his statements. He seeks to minimize Dominican achievement and is constantly looking for the angle that least favors DR. Be it Tourism, transportation, High rise building, economic development, trade issues, he is highly critical. In the above post to Veronica, he doesn't produce the fact that in the USA, several young people had DIED of the same ailment, Bacteria Meningitis previous to the Dominicans death! Again, his "and people STILL[my italic] die of that![in the DR] As if this was some earth shattering news event. My take was "And what country have you been observing? Switzerland " You claim to know the country of the Dominican Republic, and yet here you are incredulous at the news that a poor talented teenager in a Baseball Academy has died of Bacterial Meningitis? Please, get a grip. It happens in the US and all other advance nation states. DR, if he hasn't been distracted by some female legs, is a tad less advanced than the USA

Then you have his so-called position on what is acceptable as a determining factor in argument. "I'm a numbers guy," he was fond of saying. Trouble is that when you present him with the numbers, he suddenly takes offensive and becomes defensive. You can look this up as he was rather fond of stating how he wasn't into arguing on politics and other non-science backed areas and that to convince him of something hard numerical facts had to be provided. Well, when these inconvenient facts were produced for his recent claim: Soccer is more demanding than Baseball [and Basketball], he has backed peddled into his self-pity and angry discharge claiming victim-hood and calling out for help. This thread is just his way to get attention. And least I forget, I handed Dread his head on a Thread related to a comparison between the Dominican Republic Versus Jamaica (his real homeland) And he will NEVER forget that pounding nor forgive me for giving him that lashing.

I've always insisted that DT be an open forum for debate and discussions, but will defend the DR when phoney personalities come to disparage her substance. Yes, we have many problems and unresolved issues, but I frankly don't get the same vibes of negativity emanating from other NON-Dominican posters. Blutarsky, Ben for Peace, Texas, and many others are far more prudent and tasteful in their assessment of what ills DR. Yes, many are critical as are many Dominicans about the failings in our DR but the Dready is known as Mr. "Doom and Gloom" for a reason. Perhaps It has to do with his participation in the down fall of Jamaica during his tenure there. But only he knows the true extent of his wrongful doings there. Just don't bring that baggage to the DR [/B]

If you see that it is a lost cause in your opinion; then why put effort into it? If you think he really insults DR you can report his posts and give them back feedback. But you don't even have to react to it. Because the same applies to you; why put effort in changing someone's thoughts if they don't want to be changed?

This is still a matter that needs to be settled via personal messages if Atabey and Dread want to work this out. This is a personal matter in where you put your problem out there trying to make it ours. Yet it is not this way.

Hollanda, let me make this point as clear as i can. i have a vested emotional interest in this site. look at my number...4. that means i was here on the day it started. i want to see it working smoothly. i know that people will have disagreements, but they can be worked out, in the main. i have had brutal fights with some of the posters here, but they have been resolved by mutual agreement. in the case of Atabey, such a feat cannot be achieved, because his word is not worth the air he breathes. we have had rancorous arguments, which have made the forum an unpleasant place. he insists on keeping the fights going, and i do not take backward steps. i was merely advising the forum that he wants another fight, and i am not going to walk away.