| #1,441 - Posted 23 June 2009, 9:02 AM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10609 | RE: 'Barack Obama is the American Dream' Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: Quote: abc200 previously said: Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: A Snake Eating Its Own Tail By James Howard Kunstler for ClusterFuck Nation Editor's Note: Jim's last two books "World Made by Hand" and "The Long Emergency" are now available at deep discounts via Amazon. -Matt I'd like to know what Barack Obama thinks he's doing with the fiasco we call the US economy. He can't pump it back into the credit-fueled freak show it used to be, of course, but he could steer it in a practical new direction. Even people who have lost a lot, and stand to lose more, can be motivated to behave more self-beneficially. The president doesn't have very long before his economic problems become really awful political The current mass delusion that will go down in history as the "green shoots fugue" can't possibly bring the credit freak show back because the credit -- i.e. money borrowed from the American future -- was swindled away. Something like $14 trillion worth of nominal dollars is being sucked into a cosmic vortex never to be seen again. It was last seen in the spectral forms of so many collateralized debt obligations, credit default swaps, so-called structured investment vehicles and other now-obvious frauds. That giant sucking sound we hear means the process is still underway, and the "money" disappearing into yawning oblivion will out-pace any effort orchestrated by the Federal Reserve and the US Treasury to replace it with new "money" (or credit). Therefore there is no chance between heaven and hell that the pre-2008 suburban homesteading and shopping fiesta can ever come back. The American polity is tapped out in all sectors, personal, corporate, and public. Notice the two words largely absent from whatever public discussion exists around these matters -- "swindle" and "fraud." The reason they're missing is because if they happened to enter the conversation, something would have to be done about them, namely investigations and prosecutions. The president is the person in the best position to set the terms of this public discussion, and by avoiding these two words he's blowing the chance to begin the process of correcting the tragic course we're on. These swindles and frauds range from malfeasance at the highest levels to indecency in the lowliest cubicles -- i.e. the collusion of a revolving cast of cabinet-level officials with Wall Street executives to loot the US Treasury, the probable criminal dereliction at the mid-level of agencies like the Federal Reserve's oversight office and the SEC, to certain and outright street grifting in the traffic of securities known to be worthless at their creation. The current fiction that the public seems to be swallowing (for the moment) is along the lines of the old "mistakes were made" locution, which is an easy way to avoid holding individuals responsible for misdeeds. The competence and hence the legitimacy of the US government is on the line here. The US economic situation is going to get a lot worse. Many more people are going to lose incomes and chattels and will suffer, and the moment will arrive when they will direct their anger outward. They need to be told two things: that the borrowed-against future is now here, requiring very different behavior; and that those who received lavish payment for looting the American future unlawfully will be subject to due process of law. So far, nobody has even been fired, let alone officially investigated. Meanwhile, the nation is lumbering toward an epochal moment of truth when the non-viability of how we get by day-to-day is exposed for all to see, including those other nations who have been lending us colossal sums of their hard-earned money to keep our operations afloat. This will be the moment when the US renounces its debt -- or just proves unable to continue pretending to service it. This moment is liable to come sometime after the middle of this summer. It will be the moment when all the green shoots babytalk stops and the scope of onrushing hardship becomes self-evident. It will be the moment when all of America finds itself in something like the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, when the federal government proves comically impotent and the cold reality hits that we're now all on our own. The dreadful moment may arrive with the functional bankruptcy of California, which is on-schedule, as it happens, for July. Governor Schwarzenegger, who really seems to have tried introducing fiscal reality out there, and just plain failed, will surely come to the White House begging for a bail-out. It would be hard for President Obama to turn him down, but then forty-nine other governors will line up behind Arnold and everybody in the world will see what a farce our governance has turned into: a snake eating its own tail. problems. Stupid ass-hole California can never be bankrupt - there is enough land to produce food for everyone and good wine besides! S. Now, now, my little friend, ABC, no need to call people nasty names, it does not look good on you, either join a kiddy site or grow up! Or get sober and stay sober, and deal with those multiple personalities please http://pbskids.org/ The above would be good for you but no low class language allowed, sorry! Just for you amigo, a family reunion! That must be you on the left - all wasted.... I only resort to name calling when there is someone very very stupid like the hack James whatever. S. |
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| #1,442 - Posted 23 June 2009, 9:24 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 6778 | RE: 'Barack Obama is the American Dream' Quote: abc200 previously said: Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: Quote: abc200 previously said: Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: A Snake Eating Its Own Tail By James Howard Kunstler for ClusterFuck Nation Editor's Note: Jim's last two books "World Made by Hand" and "The Long Emergency" are now available at deep discounts via Amazon. -Matt I'd like to know what Barack Obama thinks he's doing with the fiasco we call the US economy. He can't pump it back into the credit-fueled freak show it used to be, of course, but he could steer it in a practical new direction. Even people who have lost a lot, and stand to lose more, can be motivated to behave more self-beneficially. The president doesn't have very long before his economic problems become really awful political The current mass delusion that will go down in history as the "green shoots fugue" can't possibly bring the credit freak show back because the credit -- i.e. money borrowed from the American future -- was swindled away. Something like $14 trillion worth of nominal dollars is being sucked into a cosmic vortex never to be seen again. It was last seen in the spectral forms of so many collateralized debt obligations, credit default swaps, so-called structured investment vehicles and other now-obvious frauds. That giant sucking sound we hear means the process is still underway, and the "money" disappearing into yawning oblivion will out-pace any effort orchestrated by the Federal Reserve and the US Treasury to replace it with new "money" (or credit). Therefore there is no chance between heaven and hell that the pre-2008 suburban homesteading and shopping fiesta can ever come back. The American polity is tapped out in all sectors, personal, corporate, and public. Notice the two words largely absent from whatever public discussion exists around these matters -- "swindle" and "fraud." The reason they're missing is because if they happened to enter the conversation, something would have to be done about them, namely investigations and prosecutions. The president is the person in the best position to set the terms of this public discussion, and by avoiding these two words he's blowing the chance to begin the process of correcting the tragic course we're on. These swindles and frauds range from malfeasance at the highest levels to indecency in the lowliest cubicles -- i.e. the collusion of a revolving cast of cabinet-level officials with Wall Street executives to loot the US Treasury, the probable criminal dereliction at the mid-level of agencies like the Federal Reserve's oversight office and the SEC, to certain and outright street grifting in the traffic of securities known to be worthless at their creation. The current fiction that the public seems to be swallowing (for the moment) is along the lines of the old "mistakes were made" locution, which is an easy way to avoid holding individuals responsible for misdeeds. The competence and hence the legitimacy of the US government is on the line here. The US economic situation is going to get a lot worse. Many more people are going to lose incomes and chattels and will suffer, and the moment will arrive when they will direct their anger outward. They need to be told two things: that the borrowed-against future is now here, requiring very different behavior; and that those who received lavish payment for looting the American future unlawfully will be subject to due process of law. So far, nobody has even been fired, let alone officially investigated. Meanwhile, the nation is lumbering toward an epochal moment of truth when the non-viability of how we get by day-to-day is exposed for all to see, including those other nations who have been lending us colossal sums of their hard-earned money to keep our operations afloat. This will be the moment when the US renounces its debt -- or just proves unable to continue pretending to service it. This moment is liable to come sometime after the middle of this summer. It will be the moment when all the green shoots babytalk stops and the scope of onrushing hardship becomes self-evident. It will be the moment when all of America finds itself in something like the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, when the federal government proves comically impotent and the cold reality hits that we're now all on our own. The dreadful moment may arrive with the functional bankruptcy of California, which is on-schedule, as it happens, for July. Governor Schwarzenegger, who really seems to have tried introducing fiscal reality out there, and just plain failed, will surely come to the White House begging for a bail-out. It would be hard for President Obama to turn him down, but then forty-nine other governors will line up behind Arnold and everybody in the world will see what a farce our governance has turned into: a snake eating its own tail. problems. Stupid ass-hole California can never be bankrupt - there is enough land to produce food for everyone and good wine besides! S. Now, now, my little friend, ABC, no need to call people nasty names, it does not look good on you, either join a kiddy site or grow up! Or get sober and stay sober, and deal with those multiple personalities please http://pbskids.org/ The above would be good for you but no low class language allowed, sorry! Just for you amigo, a family reunion! That must be you on the left - all wasted.... I only resort to name calling when there is someone very very stupid like the hack James whatever. S. You resort to name calling when ever you meet a solid argument you cannot cope with, which is about 100% of the time The Specter of Government Default Governments the world over are hoping to publicly borrow their way out of the stupendous mess created by the private financial sector. They are thus engaging in a monetary and fiscal experiment of Titanic proportions, steering a patchwork ship of State constructed from traditional Keynesianism and radical free-market ideology. Unfortunately, they are either blind to, or are nervously whistling past, the largest iceberg field in the history of economic navigation. We are not going to escape unscathed. Let's quickly set out what went wrong: Oceans of debt blew asset bubbles for everything from clapboard houses and dinky mortgages to smelly shares, hedge funds, LBOs and 2/20 private equity funds. If an "asset" as much as fogged the mirror it was sliced, diced, indexed and leveraged to the hilt, transformed into a creative financial "product". A private banker friend told me two years ago that his nouveau riche customers from as far afield as Bangalore, Dubai, Sao Paolo and Moscow cared about one thing and one thing only: How many times can I leverage this baby up? At the top, if the answer was less than 40-fold they just sniffled and turned their noses away. (That's 97.5% margin, in case you were wondering..). What happened next, predictably enough, was a debt crisis of historic proportions - and it's still going on. Amazing isn't it, how the newest generation of suckers always jump with glee into the oldest trap in the world* ? Debt In The Yihaa !! Era Governments, particularly in the U.S., are now desperately trying to avoid their biggest bugaboo: Persistent asset deflation through debt destruction. Why? Because most assets are held by that tiny minority of the population for whom the golden rule applies (he who who owns the "gold" makes the rules). The vast majority of the rest have debts. To get a sense of the vast divide, in 2007 half of all American families had a net worth of $58,000 or less. By contrast, the top 10% had a net worth of $4,000,000 on average. Chart: Federal Reserve For a pluralistic republic like the U.S., does it make any sense to salvage the top 5-10% of the population's assets by placing more debt on the shoulders of everyone else - who already own next to nothing? Would it not be better to work out a debt default and reduction plan, instead of pumping the debt bubble even bigger? But, mention debt default by (intelligent) design during a polite conversation and watch it grow hot and indignant - that's the moralistic Protestant Ethic weaving through most of us, I guess. Putting it another way, the Spectre of Default haunts, increasingly with as much fear as the other one did, back in 1848. I am starting to believe that what America ultimately needs is a modern-day Solon and a healthy dose of seisachtheia. A short aside about the benefits of a comprehensive education in financial history: an acquaintance just told me he is convinced the economy is on a solid rebound track. When asked how he came to this conclusion, he proudly assured me had taken one (1) year of economics at college, some 20 years ago. Yes, indeed, there's one born every minute... So, at least, read a bunch of books before sententious certainty sets in, eh? Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander. Proverbs 17:4 |
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| #1,443 - Posted 23 June 2009, 10:36 AM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10609 | RE: 'Barack Obama is the American Dream' Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: Quote: abc200 previously said: Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: Quote: abc200 previously said: Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: A Snake Eating Its Own Tail By James Howard Kunstler for ClusterFuck Nation Editor's Note: Jim's last two books "World Made by Hand" and "The Long Emergency" are now available at deep discounts via Amazon. -Matt I'd like to know what Barack Obama thinks he's doing with the fiasco we call the US economy. He can't pump it back into the credit-fueled freak show it used to be, of course, but he could steer it in a practical new direction. Even people who have lost a lot, and stand to lose more, can be motivated to behave more self-beneficially. The president doesn't have very long before his economic problems become really awful political The current mass delusion that will go down in history as the "green shoots fugue" can't possibly bring the credit freak show back because the credit -- i.e. money borrowed from the American future -- was swindled away. Something like $14 trillion worth of nominal dollars is being sucked into a cosmic vortex never to be seen again. It was last seen in the spectral forms of so many collateralized debt obligations, credit default swaps, so-called structured investment vehicles and other now-obvious frauds. That giant sucking sound we hear means the process is still underway, and the "money" disappearing into yawning oblivion will out-pace any effort orchestrated by the Federal Reserve and the US Treasury to replace it with new "money" (or credit). Therefore there is no chance between heaven and hell that the pre-2008 suburban homesteading and shopping fiesta can ever come back. The American polity is tapped out in all sectors, personal, corporate, and public. Notice the two words largely absent from whatever public discussion exists around these matters -- "swindle" and "fraud." The reason they're missing is because if they happened to enter the conversation, something would have to be done about them, namely investigations and prosecutions. The president is the person in the best position to set the terms of this public discussion, and by avoiding these two words he's blowing the chance to begin the process of correcting the tragic course we're on. These swindles and frauds range from malfeasance at the highest levels to indecency in the lowliest cubicles -- i.e. the collusion of a revolving cast of cabinet-level officials with Wall Street executives to loot the US Treasury, the probable criminal dereliction at the mid-level of agencies like the Federal Reserve's oversight office and the SEC, to certain and outright street grifting in the traffic of securities known to be worthless at their creation. The current fiction that the public seems to be swallowing (for the moment) is along the lines of the old "mistakes were made" locution, which is an easy way to avoid holding individuals responsible for misdeeds. The competence and hence the legitimacy of the US government is on the line here. The US economic situation is going to get a lot worse. Many more people are going to lose incomes and chattels and will suffer, and the moment will arrive when they will direct their anger outward. They need to be told two things: that the borrowed-against future is now here, requiring very different behavior; and that those who received lavish payment for looting the American future unlawfully will be subject to due process of law. So far, nobody has even been fired, let alone officially investigated. Meanwhile, the nation is lumbering toward an epochal moment of truth when the non-viability of how we get by day-to-day is exposed for all to see, including those other nations who have been lending us colossal sums of their hard-earned money to keep our operations afloat. This will be the moment when the US renounces its debt -- or just proves unable to continue pretending to service it. This moment is liable to come sometime after the middle of this summer. It will be the moment when all the green shoots babytalk stops and the scope of onrushing hardship becomes self-evident. It will be the moment when all of America finds itself in something like the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, when the federal government proves comically impotent and the cold reality hits that we're now all on our own. The dreadful moment may arrive with the functional bankruptcy of California, which is on-schedule, as it happens, for July. Governor Schwarzenegger, who really seems to have tried introducing fiscal reality out there, and just plain failed, will surely come to the White House begging for a bail-out. It would be hard for President Obama to turn him down, but then forty-nine other governors will line up behind Arnold and everybody in the world will see what a farce our governance has turned into: a snake eating its own tail. problems. Stupid ass-hole California can never be bankrupt - there is enough land to produce food for everyone and good wine besides! S. Now, now, my little friend, ABC, no need to call people nasty names, it does not look good on you, either join a kiddy site or grow up! Or get sober and stay sober, and deal with those multiple personalities please http://pbskids.org/ The above would be good for you but no low class language allowed, sorry! Just for you amigo, a family reunion! That must be you on the left - all wasted.... I only resort to name calling when there is someone very very stupid like the hack James whatever. S. You resort to name calling when ever you meet a solid argument you cannot cope with, which is about 100% of the time The Specter of Government Default Governments the world over are hoping to publicly borrow their way out of the stupendous mess created by the private financial sector. They are thus engaging in a monetary and fiscal experiment of Titanic proportions, steering a patchwork ship of State constructed from traditional Keynesianism and radical free-market ideology. Unfortunately, they are either blind to, or are nervously whistling past, the largest iceberg field in the history of economic navigation. We are not going to escape unscathed. Let's quickly set out what went wrong: Oceans of debt blew asset bubbles for everything from clapboard houses and dinky mortgages to smelly shares, hedge funds, LBOs and 2/20 private equity funds. If an "asset" as much as fogged the mirror it was sliced, diced, indexed and leveraged to the hilt, transformed into a creative financial "product". A private banker friend told me two years ago that his nouveau riche customers from as far afield as Bangalore, Dubai, Sao Paolo and Moscow cared about one thing and one thing only: How many times can I leverage this baby up? At the top, if the answer was less than 40-fold they just sniffled and turned their noses away. (That's 97.5% margin, in case you were wondering..). What happened next, predictably enough, was a debt crisis of historic proportions - and it's still going on. Amazing isn't it, how the newest generation of suckers always jump with glee into the oldest trap in the world* ? Debt In The Yihaa !! Era Governments, particularly in the U.S., are now desperately trying to avoid their biggest bugaboo: Persistent asset deflation through debt destruction. Why? Because most assets are held by that tiny minority of the population for whom the golden rule applies (he who who owns the "gold" makes the rules). The vast majority of the rest have debts. To get a sense of the vast divide, in 2007 half of all American families had a net worth of $58,000 or less. By contrast, the top 10% had a net worth of $4,000,000 on average. Chart: Federal Reserve For a pluralistic republic like the U.S., does it make any sense to salvage the top 5-10% of the population's assets by placing more debt on the shoulders of everyone else - who already own next to nothing? Would it not be better to work out a debt default and reduction plan, instead of pumping the debt bubble even bigger? But, mention debt default by (intelligent) design during a polite conversation and watch it grow hot and indignant - that's the moralistic Protestant Ethic weaving through most of us, I guess. Putting it another way, the Spectre of Default haunts, increasingly with as much fear as the other one did, back in 1848. I am starting to believe that what America ultimately needs is a modern-day Solon and a healthy dose of seisachtheia. A short aside about the benefits of a comprehensive education in financial history: an acquaintance just told me he is convinced the economy is on a solid rebound track. When asked how he came to this conclusion, he proudly assured me had taken one (1) year of economics at college, some 20 years ago. Yes, indeed, there's one born every minute... So, at least, read a bunch of books before sententious certainty sets in, eh? The productive capital of the US is enormous. As this capital has displaced labour not too much work is needed any more. So everyone moves to new 'industries' selling hip-hop records for example. So the economy grows.... http://www.prex.com/sell-hiphop.html S. S. |
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| #1,444 - Posted 23 June 2009, 10:36 AM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10609 | RE: 'Barack Obama is the American Dream' Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: Quote: abc200 previously said: Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: Quote: abc200 previously said: Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: A Snake Eating Its Own Tail By James Howard Kunstler for ClusterFuck Nation Editor's Note: Jim's last two books "World Made by Hand" and "The Long Emergency" are now available at deep discounts via Amazon. -Matt I'd like to know what Barack Obama thinks he's doing with the fiasco we call the US economy. He can't pump it back into the credit-fueled freak show it used to be, of course, but he could steer it in a practical new direction. Even people who have lost a lot, and stand to lose more, can be motivated to behave more self-beneficially. The president doesn't have very long before his economic problems become really awful political The current mass delusion that will go down in history as the "green shoots fugue" can't possibly bring the credit freak show back because the credit -- i.e. money borrowed from the American future -- was swindled away. Something like $14 trillion worth of nominal dollars is being sucked into a cosmic vortex never to be seen again. It was last seen in the spectral forms of so many collateralized debt obligations, credit default swaps, so-called structured investment vehicles and other now-obvious frauds. That giant sucking sound we hear means the process is still underway, and the "money" disappearing into yawning oblivion will out-pace any effort orchestrated by the Federal Reserve and the US Treasury to replace it with new "money" (or credit). Therefore there is no chance between heaven and hell that the pre-2008 suburban homesteading and shopping fiesta can ever come back. The American polity is tapped out in all sectors, personal, corporate, and public. Notice the two words largely absent from whatever public discussion exists around these matters -- "swindle" and "fraud." The reason they're missing is because if they happened to enter the conversation, something would have to be done about them, namely investigations and prosecutions. The president is the person in the best position to set the terms of this public discussion, and by avoiding these two words he's blowing the chance to begin the process of correcting the tragic course we're on. These swindles and frauds range from malfeasance at the highest levels to indecency in the lowliest cubicles -- i.e. the collusion of a revolving cast of cabinet-level officials with Wall Street executives to loot the US Treasury, the probable criminal dereliction at the mid-level of agencies like the Federal Reserve's oversight office and the SEC, to certain and outright street grifting in the traffic of securities known to be worthless at their creation. The current fiction that the public seems to be swallowing (for the moment) is along the lines of the old "mistakes were made" locution, which is an easy way to avoid holding individuals responsible for misdeeds. The competence and hence the legitimacy of the US government is on the line here. The US economic situation is going to get a lot worse. Many more people are going to lose incomes and chattels and will suffer, and the moment will arrive when they will direct their anger outward. They need to be told two things: that the borrowed-against future is now here, requiring very different behavior; and that those who received lavish payment for looting the American future unlawfully will be subject to due process of law. So far, nobody has even been fired, let alone officially investigated. Meanwhile, the nation is lumbering toward an epochal moment of truth when the non-viability of how we get by day-to-day is exposed for all to see, including those other nations who have been lending us colossal sums of their hard-earned money to keep our operations afloat. This will be the moment when the US renounces its debt -- or just proves unable to continue pretending to service it. This moment is liable to come sometime after the middle of this summer. It will be the moment when all the green shoots babytalk stops and the scope of onrushing hardship becomes self-evident. It will be the moment when all of America finds itself in something like the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, when the federal government proves comically impotent and the cold reality hits that we're now all on our own. The dreadful moment may arrive with the functional bankruptcy of California, which is on-schedule, as it happens, for July. Governor Schwarzenegger, who really seems to have tried introducing fiscal reality out there, and just plain failed, will surely come to the White House begging for a bail-out. It would be hard for President Obama to turn him down, but then forty-nine other governors will line up behind Arnold and everybody in the world will see what a farce our governance has turned into: a snake eating its own tail. problems. Stupid ass-hole California can never be bankrupt - there is enough land to produce food for everyone and good wine besides! S. Now, now, my little friend, ABC, no need to call people nasty names, it does not look good on you, either join a kiddy site or grow up! Or get sober and stay sober, and deal with those multiple personalities please http://pbskids.org/ The above would be good for you but no low class language allowed, sorry! Just for you amigo, a family reunion! That must be you on the left - all wasted.... I only resort to name calling when there is someone very very stupid like the hack James whatever. S. You resort to name calling when ever you meet a solid argument you cannot cope with, which is about 100% of the time The Specter of Government Default Governments the world over are hoping to publicly borrow their way out of the stupendous mess created by the private financial sector. They are thus engaging in a monetary and fiscal experiment of Titanic proportions, steering a patchwork ship of State constructed from traditional Keynesianism and radical free-market ideology. Unfortunately, they are either blind to, or are nervously whistling past, the largest iceberg field in the history of economic navigation. We are not going to escape unscathed. Let's quickly set out what went wrong: Oceans of debt blew asset bubbles for everything from clapboard houses and dinky mortgages to smelly shares, hedge funds, LBOs and 2/20 private equity funds. If an "asset" as much as fogged the mirror it was sliced, diced, indexed and leveraged to the hilt, transformed into a creative financial "product". A private banker friend told me two years ago that his nouveau riche customers from as far afield as Bangalore, Dubai, Sao Paolo and Moscow cared about one thing and one thing only: How many times can I leverage this baby up? At the top, if the answer was less than 40-fold they just sniffled and turned their noses away. (That's 97.5% margin, in case you were wondering..). What happened next, predictably enough, was a debt crisis of historic proportions - and it's still going on. Amazing isn't it, how the newest generation of suckers always jump with glee into the oldest trap in the world* ? Debt In The Yihaa !! Era Governments, particularly in the U.S., are now desperately trying to avoid their biggest bugaboo: Persistent asset deflation through debt destruction. Why? Because most assets are held by that tiny minority of the population for whom the golden rule applies (he who who owns the "gold" makes the rules). The vast majority of the rest have debts. To get a sense of the vast divide, in 2007 half of all American families had a net worth of $58,000 or less. By contrast, the top 10% had a net worth of $4,000,000 on average. Chart: Federal Reserve For a pluralistic republic like the U.S., does it make any sense to salvage the top 5-10% of the population's assets by placing more debt on the shoulders of everyone else - who already own next to nothing? Would it not be better to work out a debt default and reduction plan, instead of pumping the debt bubble even bigger? But, mention debt default by (intelligent) design during a polite conversation and watch it grow hot and indignant - that's the moralistic Protestant Ethic weaving through most of us, I guess. Putting it another way, the Spectre of Default haunts, increasingly with as much fear as the other one did, back in 1848. I am starting to believe that what America ultimately needs is a modern-day Solon and a healthy dose of seisachtheia. A short aside about the benefits of a comprehensive education in financial history: an acquaintance just told me he is convinced the economy is on a solid rebound track. When asked how he came to this conclusion, he proudly assured me had taken one (1) year of economics at college, some 20 years ago. Yes, indeed, there's one born every minute... So, at least, read a bunch of books before sententious certainty sets in, eh? The productive capital of the US is enormous. As this capital has displaced labour not too much work is needed any more. So everyone moves to new 'industries' selling hip-hop records for example. So the economy grows.... http://www.prex.com/sell-hiphop.html S. S. |
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| #1,445 - Posted 23 June 2009, 10:47 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 6778 | RE: 'Barack Obama is the American Dream' [QUOTE=cabaretewilliam] [QUOTE=abc200] [QUOTE=cabaretewilliam] [QUOTE=abc200] [QUOTE=cabaretewilliam] A Snake Eating Its Own Tail By James Howard Kunstler for ClusterFuck Nation Editor's Note: Jim's last two books "World Made by Hand" and "The Long Emergency" are now available at deep discounts via Amazon. -Matt I'd like to know what Barack Obama thinks he's doing with the fiasco we call the US economy. He can't pump it back into the credit-fueled freak show it used to be, of course, but he could steer it in a practical new direction. Even people who have lost a lot, and stand to lose more, can be motivated to behave more self-beneficially. The president doesn't have very long before his economic problems become really awful political A short aside about the benefits of a comprehensive education in financial history: an acquaintance just told me he is convinced the economy is on a solid rebound track. When asked how he came to this conclusion, he proudly assured me had taken one (1) year of economics at college, some 20 years ago. Yes, indeed, there's one born every minute... So, at least, read a bunch of books before sententious certainty sets in, eh? [/QUOTE] Notice the chart show USA household debt is now almost equal to the GDP. Keep in mind this terrible truth, that doe snot include the Federal, State and City debts, and unfunded social liabilities, which equal 1.4 MILLION per household. Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander. Proverbs 17:4 |
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| #1,446 - Posted 23 June 2009, 10:55 AM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10609 | RE: 'Barack Obama is the American Dream' [QUOTE=cabaretewilliam] [QUOTE=cabaretewilliam] [QUOTE=abc200] [QUOTE=cabaretewilliam] [QUOTE=abc200] [QUOTE=cabaretewilliam] A Snake Eating Its Own Tail By James Howard Kunstler for ClusterFuck Nation Editor's Note: Jim's last two books "World Made by Hand" and "The Long Emergency" are now available at deep discounts via Amazon. -Matt I'd like to know what Barack Obama thinks he's doing with the fiasco we call the US economy. He can't pump it back into the credit-fueled freak show it used to be, of course, but he could steer it in a practical new direction. Even people who have lost a lot, and stand to lose more, can be motivated to behave more self-beneficially. The president doesn't have very long before his economic problems become really awful political A short aside about the benefits of a comprehensive education in financial history: an acquaintance just told me he is convinced the economy is on a solid rebound track. When asked how he came to this conclusion, he proudly assured me had taken one (1) year of economics at college, some 20 years ago. Yes, indeed, there's one born every minute... So, at least, read a bunch of books before sententious certainty sets in, eh? [/QUOTE] Notice the chart show USA household debt is now almost equal to the GDP. Keep in mind this terrible truth, that doe snot include the Federal, State and City debts, and unfunded social liabilities, which equal 1.4 MILLION per household. [/QUOTE] but this debt is colateralised with hip hop records - valuable vinyl! S. |
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| #1,447 - Posted 23 June 2009, 1:38 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 6778 | RE: 'Barack Obama is the American Dream' he is the American NIghtmare, beware babies, your president supports killing you even if you survive the planned murder by your mom and the doc. Obama would not support babies who survived abortion, but he would sure as hell spend every last dime reviving the brain dead to vote for him.? Edited on 6/23/2009 1:40 PM by cabaretewilliam. Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander. Proverbs 17:4 |
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| #1,448 - Posted 23 June 2009, 2:44 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: May 2009 Member #: 2805 Posts: 107 | RE: 'Barack Obama is the American Dream' Redneck Bill you suck.I hope you die now. Edited on 6/23/2009 2:44 PM by tdown1. |
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| #1,449 - Posted 23 June 2009, 2:46 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2975 Posts: 6 | RE: 'Barack Obama is the American Dream' Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: he is the American NIghtmare, beware babies, your president supports killing you even if you survive the planned murder by your mom and the doc. Obama would not support babies who survived abortion, but he would sure as hell spend every last dime reviving the brain dead to vote for him.? I am a new poster but I can immediately sense a jaded right wing repug character - just by a few of your rants. Carry on.... It's almost as if I'm in any typical American blogosphere. |
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| #1,450 - Posted 23 June 2009, 2:58 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 22464 | RE: 'Barack Obama is the American Dream' oldman, lucky for you that you can only sense him.us unfortunate folks in these latitudes have to smell him. Edited on 6/23/2009 2:59 PM by dreadlocks. |
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