| #1 - Posted 12 January 2012, 4:25 PM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12116 | Vatican opens secret documents archive Those were the days Orgies for Jesus Posted by Daniele Bolelli on December 17, 2011 [IMG]http://disinfo.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Orgy.jpg[/IMG] Orgy[Site editor's note: The following is an excerpt from the new Disinformation title 50 Things You're Not Supposed To Know: Religion, authored by Daniele Bolelli.] What if Christian theology dismissed the virgin birth and other miracles as fairy tales? What if your pastor/priest told you to flush the Ten Commandments down the toilet and instead live life to the fullest? What if Sunday service at your local church consisted in a juicy orgy? All of this could have happened had Carpocrates had his way. Carpo … who? The lead character in our story was the leader of a second century Christian community based in the Greek islands. Back in those days, early Christians couldn’t agree on just about anything. Official Christian doctrine hadn’t been fully established yet, so an extremely wide range of opinions and teachings fell under the label of “Christianity.” The only thing they had in common was that they all thought Jesus was a cool guy. Other than that, everything else was up for debate since they couldn’t even agree on which books should become official scriptures. Some Christians believed their religion was to remain exclusively for Jewish people. Others wanted to open it to all ethnicities. Some believed Jesus and God were one. Others were far from sold about this. Some were strict ascetics. Others enjoyed a very sensual life. Some promoted women as leaders within their groups. Others felt women were good to cook dinner and make babies, but religious leaders? Ha! In the midst of this very chaotic beginning, Carpocrates emerged as a particularly charismatic preacher, who soon attracted enough of a following as to give birth to his own branch of Christianity. His ideas were just a tad on the wild side. Jesus—Carpocrates argued—was as human as anyone else. He was a visionary whose brilliance and wisdom put him in touch with God, but was not God himself. This didn’t diminish Jesus’s status in Carpocrates’s eyes, since it set him up as a model of behavior that regular human beings could hope to emulate. The whole story of the virgin birth made Carpocrates laugh. In his view, good old Jesus was conceived in the old fashioned way: through sweaty sex. The depth of Jesus’s wisdom was enough for Carpocrates to admire and love him, so he felt no need for any supernatural special effects. Since this beginning was apparently not controversial enough, Carpocrates promptly taught his followers to reject Mosaic Law as well as the prevailing morality of his times as mere human opinions, not divine commandments. A goodie-goodie morality was according to Carpocrates nothing but a cage built by those who were too scared by life’s intensity. The soul could only achieve freedom and fulfillment by experiencing all of life, without discriminating too much. Only in this way, it would free itself from the cycle of reincarnation … Oh, yeah, did I forget to mention that? Carpocrates’s followers—like the members of many other early Christian sects—fully believed in reincarnation. And just like several tantric schools found in the history of both Hinduism and Buddhism, they also believed that human beings should explore every emotion without holding back. Sensual pleasure in their eyes was not any less sacred than the most spiritual practices, so good food, sex and every other earthly joy was embraced as a stepping stone toward liberation. This determination to live life to the fullest went hand in hand with another radical notion. Carp considered differences in wealth and social class as unnatural perversions. Since everyone is born naked and equal in front of God, human attempts to gain status at the expense of others were misguided and ultimately against God’s plan. The cure for the very human tendency toward ego aggrandizing was to discourage the evil of private property. Instead, everything—from material possessions to sexual partners—was to be held in common. Coupled with Carp’s insistence on indulging in sensual pleasures, this idea led his followers to regularly stage sexual orgies as part of their spiritual practices … which makes you wonder: just how different would the world be had mainstream forms of Christianity decided to embrace Carpocrates rather than stern moralists like Saint Paul and Saint Augustine? I think it’s a safe bet that church attendance would be much higher. Related Posts with Thumbnails Edited on 3/4/2012 11:19 AM by Atabey. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck |
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| #2 - Posted 12 January 2012, 4:26 PM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12116 | RE: Orgies for Jesus 50 Things You're Not Supposed To Know: Religion ![]() "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck |
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| #3 - Posted 12 January 2012, 8:40 PM | |
Location: United States, Quisqueya Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 9156 | RE: Orgies for Jesus 50 Things You're Not Supposed To Know: Religion Quote: Atabey previously said: ![]() I was not invited to this one, but hey! ......I am already here, so let 's boogie! Ignorance is temporary, stupidity lasts forever. |
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| #4 - Posted 12 January 2012, 9:16 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 5804 | RE: Orgies for Jesus 50 Things You're Not Supposed To Know: Religion This carpocrate guy was on to something, I am surprised and wonder why his movement died out years ago. But it might be an idea for a new religion in modern times. Imagine going to swingers clubs for religious worship, standing in front of the pulpit, with a shirt and tie, the bible under your arm but naked from the waste down looking to recruit new converts. |
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| #5 - Posted 13 January 2012, 10:11 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: October 2011 Member #: 9385 Posts: 781 | RE: Orgies for Jesus 50 Things You're Not Supposed To Know: Religion The Jefferson Bible, or The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth as it is formally titled, was Thomas Jefferson's effort to extract the doctrine of Jesus by removing sections of the New Testament containing supernatural aspects as well as perceived misinterpretations he believed had been added by the Four Evangelists. In an 1803 letter to Joseph Priestley, Jefferson states that he conceived the idea of writing his view of the "Christian System" in a conversation with Dr. Benjamin Rush during 1798–99. He proposes beginning with a review of the morals of the ancient philosophers, moving on to the "deism and ethics of the Jews," and concluding with the "principles of a pure deism" taught by Jesus, "omitting the question of his deity." Jefferson explains that he does not have the time, and urges the task on Priestley as the person best equipped to accomplish the task.[2] Jefferson accomplished a more limited goal in 1804 with "The Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth", the predecessor to The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth.[3] He described it in a letter to John Adams dated 13 October 1813: In extracting the pure principles which he taught, we should have to strip off the artificial vestments in which they have been muffled by priests, who have travestied them into various forms, as instruments of riches and power to themselves. We must dismiss the Platonists and Plotinists, the Stagyrites and Gamalielites, the Eclectics, the Gnostics and Scholastics, their essences and emanations, their logos and demiurges, aeons and daemons, male and female, with a long train of … or, shall I say at once, of nonsense. We must reduce our volume to the simple evangelists, select, even from them, the very words only of Jesus, paring off the amphibologisms into which they have been led, by forgetting often, or not understanding, what had fallen from him, by giving their own misconceptions as his dicta, and expressing unintelligibly for others what they had not understood themselves. There will be found remaining the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man. I have performed this operation for my own use, by cutting verse by verse out of the printed book, and arranging the matter which is evidently his, and which is as easily distinguishable as diamonds in a dunghill. The result is an octavo of forty-six pages, of pure and unsophisticated doctrines. [2] Jefferson frequently expressed discontent with this earlier version. The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth represents the fulfillment of his desire to produce a more carefully assembled edition. Albert Einstein Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. |
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| #6 - Posted 4 March 2012, 11:19 AM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12116 | Vatican opens secret documents archive 4 March 2012 Last updated at 04:44 ET Help One hundred unique documents selected from among millions in the Vatican's secret archive have gone on show to the public in Rome for the first time. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-17249425 They include a papal document authorising the division of the new world between Spain and Portugal after Christopher Columbus returned from his voyage of discovery to the Americas. David Willey reports from Rome. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck |
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| #7 - Posted 4 March 2012, 1:47 PM | |
Location: United States, Seattle, W.A. Join date: April 2009 Member #: 2555 Posts: 3423 | RE: Vatican opens secret documents archive Quote: Atabey previously said: 4 March 2012 Last updated at 04:44 ET Help One hundred unique documents selected from among millions in the Vatican's secret archive have gone on show to the public in Rome for the first time. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-17249425 They include a papal document authorising the division of the new world between Spain and Portugal after Christopher Columbus returned from his voyage of discovery to the Americas. David Willey reports from Rome. So they release 100 out of millions. Who are they trying to convince? Are they feeling the need to make people think they are coming clean? So the catholic church(Vatican) has money laundering, child abuse and secret documents! Sounds like every other country on this planet and nothing new or divine! "People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs" |
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| #8 - Posted 4 March 2012, 1:54 PM | |
Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 12116 | RE: Vatican opens secret documents archive Quote: Belly previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: 4 March 2012 Last updated at 04:44 ET Help One hundred unique documents selected from among millions in the Vatican's secret archive have gone on show to the public in Rome for the first time. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-17249425 They include a papal document authorising the division of the new world between Spain and Portugal after Christopher Columbus returned from his voyage of discovery to the Americas. David Willey reports from Rome. So they release 100 out of millions. Who are they trying to convince? Are they feeling the need to make people think they are coming clean? So the catholic church(Vatican) has money laundering, child abuse and secret documents! Sounds like every other country on this planet and nothing new or divine! It's a start Belly. A few hundred years more and we might get another 100 docs "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck |
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| #9 - Posted 4 March 2012, 4:49 PM | |
Location: United States, Seattle, W.A. Join date: April 2009 Member #: 2555 Posts: 3423 | RE: Vatican opens secret documents archive Quote: Atabey previously said: Quote: Belly previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: 4 March 2012 Last updated at 04:44 ET Help One hundred unique documents selected from among millions in the Vatican's secret archive have gone on show to the public in Rome for the first time. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-17249425 They include a papal document authorising the division of the new world between Spain and Portugal after Christopher Columbus returned from his voyage of discovery to the Americas. David Willey reports from Rome. So they release 100 out of millions. Who are they trying to convince? Are they feeling the need to make people think they are coming clean? So the catholic church(Vatican) has money laundering, child abuse and secret documents! Sounds like every other country on this planet and nothing new or divine! It's a start Belly. A few hundred years more and we might get another 100 docs Hopefully in a few hundred year their power to influence the human mind would be brought to a non-existent state and we won't have to rely on superstition to make daily choices. just think of how much better this world would be! Just imagine if this would have taken place 3000 years ago! Where would science have taken us today? I say much farther than we could ever imagine. Maybe most of our daily problem would have been solved and we would have pay honor to the word we call ourselves Homo-sapiens or wise-man. "People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs" |
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