Never should the DR let other countries tell them what to do on migration. Especially not the USA, since it is virtually impossible for poor dominicans to migrate to the USA. The DR has the right and the obligation to pick from the kind of immigrants they want, just like the USA, Canada, Australia and some EU countries do. The USA works with a points scale system for immigrants. Rich foreignors and foreignors with PhD. degrees have an easy access to the USA because they only want rich and/or intelligent immigrants that have a more positive impact on the country's economy.

The USA has a lottery which gives 50.000 greencards yearly, and guess what? Dominican-born people are not even allowed to participate, even if they have acquired a second nationality from another Western country. The mission of this lottery is to control the influx of foreignors which get a greencard.

The nationality issue is a sovereign matter, which touches upon themes of capacity, cultural balance, identity, wealth distribution etc. Other countries should not interfere.

If the USA wants the DR to give free pass to illegal foreignors, the USA should give a free pass to all Latin American countries and permit its cities and counties be filled with many millions of poor Latinos. Do as you preach. The same goes for the European Union and other countries. If the EU wants the DR to give a free pass to illegals, it should give a free pass to the millions of Africans which are dying (literally) to go to Europe.

Why can't immigration be regulated in the Dominican Republic like in other countries?

1) The DR should deport poor and low skilled illegal foreignors and their children, no matter if they were born here.

2) The dominican industries that require it, should arrange visas for the foreignor they want to hire and pay a fine for not hiring a national, depending on the industry. For example: a fine in the tourism sector should be higher than in the agriculture sector, etc. These companies should respect quotas for threshold of Dominican workers.

3) A working permit should be revised two times a year, to see if the person is still working there. Companies should be obliged to report if the foreigner is no longer employed with them to the visa authority within 10 working days. If companies fail to comply, there should be a fine. Foreigners should go to get a new stamp on their visa each six months, in order to control if they are still working there. A working permit should not be extended more than 5 years for low skilled people (read: poor). A visa authority should be in each city hall or in the proximity of the communities of immigrants.

4) Each worker in the DR (foreign and national) should work for at least the national minimum wage. Allowing foreigners to work for less is not fair to the Dominican working class and not fair to the foreignors, as they get paid less than a Dominican for the same kind of work. Allowing foreigners to work for less also keeps the DR's minimum wage low. It hampers growth of salaries for Dominicans!

5) Children born on DR soil to foreignors that have a visa/working permit, should get their birth certificates and be allowed to go to school etc. But on the birth certificates of these children, it should be stated that the children are born on DR soil, but have a foreign nationality, not Dominican nationality. These children should have the right to live and study in the DR as long as their parents have a working permit. Once their parent's working permit/visa expires, these children, should leave the country together with their parents. For giving out such birth certificates, the DR should collaborate with the authorities of the country of provenance of the foreignors.

6) The children of foreign nationals with a working permit that were born in the other country (until the age of 18) are also allowed into the DR with their parents and should get the chance to study in primary/secondary school. But after they turn 18 they can only stay if they get a work permit for themselves (max. 5 years).

7) Student visas should be available to foreign students that can prove that they can afford a university education, and that have the intellectual capacity to do well. They should pass the University's admission test and present a budget for their stay. They should graduate within a maximum period of 6 years. After they graduate, they should leave the country unless they get a working permit (max. 5 years for low skill work, indefinite for high skilled workers).

8) It should be possible for foreignors to get a working permit in the DR, but it should be very well regulated, as I propose above. Especially for low skill immigrants, with few means (read: poor immigrants).

9) Immigrants should pay the same taxes that nationals do.

10) The above rules should only apply for low skill immigrants with few means. Rich immigrants or high skill immigrants and their children should always be welcome in the DR as they contribute a lot more to the system.

WHAT? IS? IT? That you Dominicans can't figure out do we have to spell it out for you?

HOLY HELL are you people that dumb? No seriously, really are you people that stupid?


Now repeat after me...... NEW WORLD ORDER...now say it again slower N E W ---W O R L D --- ORDER.

WHAT WE "Keyword here is WE" What we want in the international community is to not deal with only Haiti and then DR but one nation 1 nation get it UNO, UN nation meaning no borders, no flags well you can keep your flag but clearly we don't want to deal with two tiny countries on one tiny island. Can you say merger. and by us merging its easier in other words cheaper for us to control YOU meaning the entire island. Now instead we sending the UN to occupy Haiti one year then soon thereafter DR the next, we just send one UN occupation team for the entire island. GET IT?

Now you Dominicans will get the short end of the stick cause you have more to lose than us.
LOL. losers.

buenoha, as much as i agree with a lot of what you say, what in hell do you mean when you say that it is almost impossible for poor Dominicans to get a visa to the USA? do you believe that the almost one million Dominicans in the states are "rich dominicans"? you mean that all the guys driving the livery cabs, the hairdressers, the colmado owners, the barmaids and bartenders, and general tradesmen, are really rich Dominicans in camouflage?

lol I was clearly thinking the same thing?

What about the Taxi drivers.....What about the warehouse workers are they rich as well tell us please.

yes, Dominicanation, let us not neglect to mention the army of unemployed hustlers who hang around on broadway, st nicholas, amsterdam avenue, in the 150-180 street areas. i thought they were poor, but i stand corrected. (well, some are not really poor; their purpose for hanging out has been well documented).

Go to the US consulate in the DR and try and ask for a working permit in the US/or a visa.

If you are poor, and/or low skilled, it is virtually impossible to get a Visa, unless a relative of yours is American citizen or resident...

If not, than why do they all go in Yolas to PR?

HaitianNation, your theories of unification and a new world order fairy tales is in fact why your nation is never going to get out the hole it has fallen into. Your mentality is one of zero patriotism and self reliance; you rather sell yourself like a prostitute than to think your people have the capacity to be successful and create a future for your state.
If your solution for the never-ending Haitian crisis of poverty and despair is to fused the island into one nation then you are in for a rude awakening my Haitian friend in camouflage.
Unlike your nation we will not sell our heritage and our history, unlike your nation we will not allow foreign troops in our land. Dominicans will never accept such a concept, like you said:
“HOLY HELL are you people that dumb? No seriously, really are you people that stupid?”
Yeah we might be dumb but we will not sell ourselves like cheap hookers
We have a real Country with a real foundation, a nation that plants today to harvest tomorrow.

You need to look inside for solutions and have faith in your people. A good starting point for you could be maybe changing your name and starts reflecting your real heritage, not everybody hate Haitians here. If you hate your origins how come you going to love your destination, I certainly don’t want people like you in my country.

Who’s the real loser? Think about it.

buenoha, you make some good points, but there is one MAJOR problem you didn't mention - the puppet government of Leonel Fernandez. The massive increase in illegal immigration, and the international criticism that mysteriously does not allow the government to find a solution, tends to come when he is in power. Just something to think about

Not only that, trinitario, but that recipe of merger of his is a sure way to disaster. If the events at Guayubin and Neyba have shown something, is that the dominican populace's patience with this uncontrolled exodus on the part of the haitians is becoming dangerously thin. If you haven't realized it yet, Dominicanation (rom1804, grenadier1804 or whatever crap you like to call yourself), WE'RE NOT THE BLEEDING UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, despite all the claims to the contrary that Leonel and his chopos want to sell to potential investors. To add ten million of additional poor to the current population of four million of that sector in our country would be the shortest way to a civil war, and knowing the cruelty of our mobs, it's not a nice prospect to consider. Unless Haiti is rebuilt by the international community, that merger dream is nothing more than a dangerous and nightmarish chimaera, in my humble opinion. If it didn't work once, when the dominican population was not numerically enough to defend itself, what makes you think that it would work now, when the population is large enough to meet any threat and the prejudices are certainly stronger than on that bygone era?

You guys are IDIOTS....

It's already working you prehistoric idiot.....That 8 million population of yours....Guess what 2 million of those are 100% home bread Haitians.. now we have about another 700 thousand Dominicans of Haitians descendants and last but not least you have already sold most of your lands to foreign investors....so whatever the investors want they will get...and P.S. Enjoy the tourism venture because by 2009 watch out for the new kid on the block...CUBA

P.S. IF I WERE YOU DOMINICANS I WOULD NEVER EVER USE THE WORD "PROSTITUTION" TO DESCRIBE ANYTHING BECAUSE THE WORLD KNOWS WHOM ARE THE REAL PROSTITUTES DON'T MAKE ME REMIND YOU THAT YOUR COUNTRY;S MAIN EXPORT IS PROSTITUTION... PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME GO THERE PLEASE I'M BEGGING YOU... DON'T MAKE ME PULL OUT THE FACT SHEET.
HAITIANS ARE POOR TRUE BUT AT LEAST OUR WOMEN STILL HAVE THEIR DIGNITIES.

SLUTS.