Dominican Republic : Why we fail to succeed and why we succeed at failing! - Santo Domingo

#31 - Posted 5 February 2012, 2:03 PM
Belly Location: United States, Seattle, W.A. Join date: April 2009 Member #: 2555 Posts: 3423	RE: Dominican Republic : Why we fail to succeed and why we succeed at failing! Quote: ArturoFeliz previously said: Quote: Belly previously said: Quote: ArturoFeliz previously said: Quote: Belly previously said: Quote: ArturoFeliz previously said: If you had a deep understanding and knowledge of Dominican Republic (not hearsay) then you would probably know that in the Dominican Republic Catholic Education is considered to be the best you can get. That rich people send their children to Catholic Schools. That middle class makes an effort to send their kids to catholic schools even if they have to pay extra for it. That the best Universities are the Catholic ones. You would also know that catholic religion was taken out of public school programs more than a decade ago (After Plan Decenal) and you only get Catholic religion if you send your child to a Catholic school. You would know that some of the finest schools in the country are: 1.-Colegio Loyola (Catholic Jesuits) 2.-Colegio Calazans (Catholic Jesuits) 3.-Colegio Don Bosco (Catholic Salesians) 4.-Colegio Veritas (Catholic) 5.-New Horizons (Catholic) 6.-Colegio San Juan Bautista (Catholic) 7.-Colegio del Apostolado (Catholic nuns) 8.-San Judas Tadeo (Catholic Jesuits) 9.-Politecnico Loyola (Catholic Jesuits) 10.-Santa Teresita (Catholic) I could go on, but I'm just giving you some of the top of my head. You would also know the amongst the five best universities, including the one regarded as BEST are 2 Catholic Universities: 1.-Pontificia Universidad Catolica Madre y Maestra (PUCMM) 1.B. Pontificia Universidad Catolica Madre y Maestra (PUCMM) -Santiago- 2.Universidad Catolica de Santo Domingo (UCSD) Kind regards, Arturo I thought about giving you a full response but I have chosen to let you use your own logic and read what you wrote then read the following article from the concordat between the catholic church and DR Quote: ARTICLE XXIII 1. The Dominican State recognises that the religious institutions and associations mentioned in Article IV have full capacity for the acquisition, ownership and management of all categories of property. 2. The normal and extraordinary management of property belonging to the aforementioned religious institutions and associations, as well as the supervision and inspection of their management shall be the responsibility of the relevant Church authorities. 3. The Dominican Republic recognises and guarantees the Church’s ownership of movable and immovable property acknowledged as belonging to the Church under Law nº 117 of the 20th of April 1931, clarified by Law nº 390 of the 16th of September 1943, as well as Church ownership of property legitimately acquired after this date, including properties declared national monuments. The Dominican Republic declares that all places of worship or other premises built by the State since 1930 are the property of the Church, as are other buildings built by the State in the future. 4. The Church may receive any type of donation or gift intended for achieving its aims; it may organise special collections inside or outside places of worship or other premises owned by the Church. Sorry, missed your point...I thought you were going to tell me which schools and buildings were in fact built by the Dominican State... Not sure if you refer to the temples. If that's the case then you should also be made aware of the fact that the Dominican State has not been in the Church building "business" for quite a while, due to the growing pressure from evangelical and secular organizations. Back in the times of Balaguer (Please note Balaguer left power in 1996) he used to built huge housing projects that usually had a Church, just like they had a park, and a business area, and streets and curbs. It was customary to do that at the time. Most of the times the temples were given to the Catholic church for administration. I think you're missing the point here. When temples are "given" to the catholic church, it is the catholic church that has to keep it, name a priest, support the priest, pay its services and expenses, etc. But the catholic church never actually sells temples, that's never been it's business. So what is being given is, financially speaking, an expense.... I continue to get the impression that you're not updated in what the debates in the Dominican Republic are today. Do you live in the DR currently? When was the last time you were in the DR? Do you read Dominican newspapers? I mean, if you were talking about the abortion debate, at least I'd give you that was being discussed last year (when the new constitution was approved) but this? Arturo Let me put your feet back on the ground cause you seen to believe you can fly low because you have 3 degree. First of all. I was born and raised in San Francisco,DR and currently travel there about 4 to 6 times a year. I do more traveling in a year to many different countries than you probably ever will in your life time. You believe your self to be up to date yet show no actual understanding of the concordat. My scholar skills are well above the understanding of your writings. Just because I don't agree with your point doesn't mean some how "I'm missing the point". I understand your point I just think is bogus and your superiority complex is simply out of touch with reality. I have been involve in the topic of politics of DR all my life so please stop talking your self up as if you are above anybody here. Next time you decide to talk about your scholar skills try not to have 8 grammar mistakes in such short space. Anything else I could do to make you feel better? or above the crowd is always my pleasure. As a human I totally fine with some grammar mistakes in a forum as long as my opinion is based in factual information. As the saying goes : "You can put lipstick on a pig and still a pig" I'm more worry about providing facts than showing off my grammar skills on a web site. best rigards mi fryeind Edited on 2/5/2012 2:13 PM by Belly. "People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs"
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RE: Dominican Republic : Why we fail to succeed and why we succeed at failing!

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ArturoFeliz previously said:

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ArturoFeliz previously said:

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ArturoFeliz previously said:

If you had a deep understanding and knowledge of Dominican Republic (not hearsay) then you would probably know that in the Dominican Republic Catholic Education is considered to be the best you can get. That rich people send their children to Catholic Schools. That middle class makes an effort to send their kids to catholic schools even if they have to pay extra for it. That the best Universities are the Catholic ones.

You would also know that catholic religion was taken out of public school programs more than a decade ago (After Plan Decenal) and you only get Catholic religion if you send your child to a Catholic school.

You would know that some of the finest schools in the country are:

1.-Colegio Loyola (Catholic Jesuits)
2.-Colegio Calazans (Catholic Jesuits)
3.-Colegio Don Bosco (Catholic Salesians)
4.-Colegio Veritas (Catholic)
5.-New Horizons (Catholic)
6.-Colegio San Juan Bautista (Catholic)
7.-Colegio del Apostolado (Catholic nuns)
8.-San Judas Tadeo (Catholic Jesuits)
9.-Politecnico Loyola (Catholic Jesuits)
10.-Santa Teresita (Catholic)

I could go on, but I'm just giving you some of the top of my head.

You would also know the amongst the five best universities, including the one regarded as BEST are 2 Catholic Universities:

1.-Pontificia Universidad Catolica Madre y Maestra (PUCMM)
1.B. Pontificia Universidad Catolica Madre y Maestra (PUCMM) -Santiago-
2.Universidad Catolica de Santo Domingo (UCSD)

Kind regards,

Arturo

I thought about giving you a full response but I have chosen to let you use your own logic and read what you wrote then read the following article from the concordat between the catholic church and DR

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ARTICLE XXIII

1. The Dominican State recognises that the religious institutions and associations mentioned in Article IV have full capacity for the acquisition, ownership and management of all categories of property.

2. The normal and extraordinary management of property belonging to the aforementioned religious institutions and associations, as well as the supervision and inspection of their management shall be the responsibility of the relevant Church authorities.

3. The Dominican Republic recognises and guarantees the Church’s ownership of movable and immovable property acknowledged as belonging to the Church under Law nº 117 of the 20th of April 1931, clarified by Law nº 390 of the 16th of September 1943, as well as Church ownership of property legitimately acquired after this date, including properties declared national monuments.

The Dominican Republic declares that all places of worship or other premises built by the State since 1930 are the property of the Church, as are other buildings built by the State in the future.

4. The Church may receive any type of donation or gift intended for achieving its aims; it may organise special collections inside or outside places of worship or other premises owned by the Church.

Sorry, missed your point...I thought you were going to tell me which schools and buildings were in fact built by the Dominican State...

Not sure if you refer to the temples. If that's the case then you should also be made aware of the fact that the Dominican State has not been in the Church building "business" for quite a while, due to the growing pressure from evangelical and secular organizations.

Back in the times of Balaguer (Please note Balaguer left power in 1996) he used to built huge housing projects that usually had a Church, just like they had a park, and a business area, and streets and curbs. It was customary to do that at the time. Most of the times the temples were given to the Catholic church for administration.

I think you're missing the point here. When temples are "given" to the catholic church, it is the catholic church that has to keep it, name a priest, support the priest, pay its services and expenses, etc. But the catholic church never actually sells temples, that's never been it's business. So what is being given is, financially speaking, an expense....

I continue to get the impression that you're not updated in what the debates in the Dominican Republic are today. Do you live in the DR currently? When was the last time you were in the DR? Do you read Dominican newspapers?

I mean, if you were talking about the abortion debate, at least I'd give you that was being discussed last year (when the new constitution was approved) but this?

Arturo

Let me put your feet back on the ground cause you seen to believe you can fly low because you have 3 degree.

First of all. I was born and raised in San Francisco,DR and currently travel there about 4 to 6 times a year. I do more traveling in a year to many different countries than you probably ever will in your life time. You believe your self to be up to date yet show no actual understanding of the concordat.

My scholar skills are well above the understanding of your writings. Just because I don't agree with your point doesn't mean some how "I'm missing the point". I understand your point I just think is bogus and your superiority complex is simply out of touch with reality.

I have been involve in the topic of politics of DR all my life so please stop talking your self up as if you are above anybody here.

Next time you decide to talk about your scholar skills try not to have 8 grammar mistakes in such short space.

Anything else I could do to make you feel better? or above the crowd is always my pleasure.

As a human I totally fine with some grammar mistakes in a forum as long as my opinion is based in factual information.

As the saying goes : "You can put lipstick on a pig and still a pig"

I'm more worry about providing facts than showing off my grammar skills on a web site.

best rigards

mi fryeind

Nope, you've done very well so far.

Now you take care.

#32 - Posted 5 February 2012, 2:18 PM
ArturoFeliz Location: Dominican Republic Join date: February 2012 Member #: 10121 Posts: 279	RE: Dominican Republic : Why we fail to succeed and why we succeed at failing! Quote: Belly previously said: Quote: ArturoFeliz previously said: Quote: Belly previously said: Quote: ArturoFeliz previously said: Quote: Belly previously said: Quote: ArturoFeliz previously said: If you had a deep understanding and knowledge of Dominican Republic (not hearsay) then you would probably know that in the Dominican Republic Catholic Education is considered to be the best you can get. That rich people send their children to Catholic Schools. That middle class makes an effort to send their kids to catholic schools even if they have to pay extra for it. That the best Universities are the Catholic ones. You would also know that catholic religion was taken out of public school programs more than a decade ago (After Plan Decenal) and you only get Catholic religion if you send your child to a Catholic school. You would know that some of the finest schools in the country are: 1.-Colegio Loyola (Catholic Jesuits) 2.-Colegio Calazans (Catholic Jesuits) 3.-Colegio Don Bosco (Catholic Salesians) 4.-Colegio Veritas (Catholic) 5.-New Horizons (Catholic) 6.-Colegio San Juan Bautista (Catholic) 7.-Colegio del Apostolado (Catholic nuns) 8.-San Judas Tadeo (Catholic Jesuits) 9.-Politecnico Loyola (Catholic Jesuits) 10.-Santa Teresita (Catholic) I could go on, but I'm just giving you some of the top of my head. You would also know the amongst the five best universities, including the one regarded as BEST are 2 Catholic Universities: 1.-Pontificia Universidad Catolica Madre y Maestra (PUCMM) 1.B. Pontificia Universidad Catolica Madre y Maestra (PUCMM) -Santiago- 2.Universidad Catolica de Santo Domingo (UCSD) Kind regards, Arturo I thought about giving you a full response but I have chosen to let you use your own logic and read what you wrote then read the following article from the concordat between the catholic church and DR Quote: ARTICLE XXIII 1. The Dominican State recognises that the religious institutions and associations mentioned in Article IV have full capacity for the acquisition, ownership and management of all categories of property. 2. The normal and extraordinary management of property belonging to the aforementioned religious institutions and associations, as well as the supervision and inspection of their management shall be the responsibility of the relevant Church authorities. 3. The Dominican Republic recognises and guarantees the Church’s ownership of movable and immovable property acknowledged as belonging to the Church under Law nº 117 of the 20th of April 1931, clarified by Law nº 390 of the 16th of September 1943, as well as Church ownership of property legitimately acquired after this date, including properties declared national monuments. The Dominican Republic declares that all places of worship or other premises built by the State since 1930 are the property of the Church, as are other buildings built by the State in the future. 4. The Church may receive any type of donation or gift intended for achieving its aims; it may organise special collections inside or outside places of worship or other premises owned by the Church. Sorry, missed your point...I thought you were going to tell me which schools and buildings were in fact built by the Dominican State... Not sure if you refer to the temples. If that's the case then you should also be made aware of the fact that the Dominican State has not been in the Church building "business" for quite a while, due to the growing pressure from evangelical and secular organizations. Back in the times of Balaguer (Please note Balaguer left power in 1996) he used to built huge housing projects that usually had a Church, just like they had a park, and a business area, and streets and curbs. It was customary to do that at the time. Most of the times the temples were given to the Catholic church for administration. I think you're missing the point here. When temples are "given" to the catholic church, it is the catholic church that has to keep it, name a priest, support the priest, pay its services and expenses, etc. But the catholic church never actually sells temples, that's never been it's business. So what is being given is, financially speaking, an expense.... I continue to get the impression that you're not updated in what the debates in the Dominican Republic are today. Do you live in the DR currently? When was the last time you were in the DR? Do you read Dominican newspapers? I mean, if you were talking about the abortion debate, at least I'd give you that was being discussed last year (when the new constitution was approved) but this? Arturo Let me put your feet back on the ground cause you seen to believe you can fly low because you have 3 degree. First of all. I was born and raised in San Francisco,DR and currently travel there about 4 to 6 times a year. I do more traveling in a year to many different countries than you probably ever will in your life time. You believe your self to be up to date yet show no actual understanding of the concordat. My scholar skills are well above the understanding of your writings. Just because I don't agree with your point doesn't mean some how "I'm missing the point". I understand your point I just think is bogus and your superiority complex is simply out of touch with reality. I have been involve in the topic of politics of DR all my life so please stop talking your self up as if you are above anybody here. Next time you decide to talk about your scholar skills try not to have 8 grammar mistakes in such short space. Anything else I could do to make you feel better? or above the crowd is always my pleasure. As a human I totally fine with some grammar mistakes in a forum as long as my opinion is based in factual information. As the saying goes : "You can put lipstick on a pig and still a pig" I'm more worry about providing facts than showing off my grammar skills on a web site. best rigards mi fryeind Nope, you've done very well so far. Now you take care.
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#33 - Posted 6 February 2012, 8:34 AM
Ricardolito Location: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo Join date: April 2008 Member #: 594 Posts: 5142	RE: Dominican Republic : Why we fail to succeed and why we succeed at failing! I am not surprised that the father of RoyStone made some sacrifices to send his son to a decent , but far far from the best private school in Australia but that RoyStone did not make the same sacrifices to send his own sons to a decent private school. Because in Australia , as around the world , private schools have far the best amenities and most parents would prefer their children to have a private education if they could . I suppose the excuse was that the scholl was a ligned to a church ,,what a narrow view
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