Not to be outdone let's not forget there have been alot of indirect subsidies, and dumping on the part of the asian automakers, I think the americans overall are building decent cars, we have been programmed to think of the imports to be superior. I think the best for survival for GM is to have the chinese buy a 30% stake on the company, GM will benefit from cheap labor, huge market, and readily available cash, Otherwise will be back again at the same position in 2 years, should GM consider filing for chapter 11, this should give them room to breath while re-structuring and re-tooling,also
Ford is doing quiet well in Europe, and GM brand Buick is the most popular in China.

I think that the U.S. auto's have improved dramatically in the last 10 years but they have been playing catchup for so long that any attempts to become industry leaders are ignored. FORD several years ago was the first to see the light ( perhaps too late) and began diversifying its offerings.

GM was producing and developing huge gas guzzlers as early as the beginning of the year. The said they didn't see it coming. And these are execs making six figure income, and they didn't see it coming. I saw the housing bust 4 years ago and this financial debacle two years ago, and I'm no where near six figures.

I'm liking the direction this thread is going but I'm skeptical about one thing.......ARE THOSE COMPANIES BEING HONEST? Some CEO's are monsters man if they see an opportunity who to say that they are not just lying about their financial gains just to make an easy buck off of the American people? but then again what if they are being Honest? Now a few days ago all the so called hot shots from the global community met and discuss their affairs and the little countries were not included as if we are not part of the Globe. Sad to say but that's how I saw it. When the meeting is in regards to how they can enrich their pockets you only hear about the G8 meetings when they are in trouble you see the G20 meeting when the world is going down to hell then they will want countries to give up their sovereignty Like they did in WWII. Call me what you will but i think that meeting that took place earlier this week should have been assembled like the UN meetings where every country can participate and have a say so.....Call me what you will but I call it how I see it. Once they made their whatever decisions they then are going to ask the smaller countries to give up their sovereignties and this and that but when the decisions are being made they can't even invite us.

ladronaso and antonio, go to yahoo home page for the news of the day. it outlines the worst and best cars sold in the USA. chrysler has six of the 10 worst, and the writer opines that chrysler will probably be gone soon, anyway. Toyota and Honda occupy all 10 top spots. the opinion is that Chrysler cannot stand alone any longer, and, as you know, merger talks with GM fell through. the reason i am skeptical about a bailout for GM is that if the treasury bails them out, how can they say no to Ford and Chrysler?

Yes i agree that it will be difficult for them to say "no" to the rest of them. I have subscription to consumerreports and have seen this trend year after year. The problem I have with Chrysler is that it is owned by a private equity group, so we would be bailing them out twice.

I believe that Honda was the only one that was profitable last year. But the picture is, it should not come with flimsy conditions. It should come with serious concessions requiring mfgs to pursue real alternative energy technology, and guaranteeing or insuring jobs stay locally in the U.S.

exactly, ladronaso, Chrysler is owned by Cerberus Capital Management, which is a private equity firm. Cerberus does not want to be in the auto business; it wants to make money. if it could, it would liquidate assets tomorrow. the problem is that Daimler, its former partner, wrote down its equity from 19.9% last year to zero .it also leaked to the business world that Chrysler equity is worthless. so, following up on what Dominicanation suggests, what is to stop them from taking the money, divesting the assets, and investing in sugar cane? and, Dominicanation, i am delighted by your question regarding the G20 meeting. why not a United Nations style summit, where the concerns of small nations could be pondered also? that is why i said that there is nothing wrong, in my mind, with attending a summit of third world countries that Chavez would like to convene. somebody has to hear our side, too!!!

Dominication,
the authoritie at this point are watching you closely, every step you make! You forgot to mention, that you also have a house in lulu land, and that is from where you send your writing, I wonder what drugs are you under. I just feel sorry for all the Haitians in DR who do not agree with you and are the one to receive the DR fury.
Intoxicated you are! not understanding that after 9/11 comments like yours are taken seriously even coming from a manic like yourself, smart I must say, but so was Hitler and Rasputin.
Once they get you you'll wish water boarding could be the only method of turture.

poponlaburra.... What authority? Who's Watching me? OMG I'm so scared....Please no.no.noooo.
Popon Child like they say in Haiti "Al Kouché" I do have a house in DR so what? Oh so now DR has a fury Oh! my I wonder what the mighty Zeus I mean DR is going to do with that fury....Strike the Haitians with lightning? popon I have one word for you "CAPITALISM" and your officials are too greedy to do anything about the storm I'm bringing. I'm unstoppable get use to it. The unification of the island will take place according to plan and we are every step on schedule. Matter of fact the more you fight it the quicker it will happen. We were right to call it "Operation Quicksand" i

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Tupapaupa, conversation with you appears to be a pointless activity, because, even when you get it, you do not get it. Mr Lautaro might engage in anti haitian exchanges, but strives to keep the acoustics

[/QUOTE]No papacito, I DO GET IT.

What I don't get, for the life of me, is the constant bitching from you guys when posts are not written they way you want them to be written.

Who in hell died and made you guys The Moral Police?.

ANYBODY with a little "intellect" in them knows that a person's way of writting on the internet has NOTHING to do with their REAL LIFE "intellect".

Now get a grip and get off your high horse.

Btw: let me make it clear to you (or whomever), I am not going to allow you (or whomever) to fuck around with my freedom of speech right!. So get over it.


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Just because he's passive and and chooses to take no action he thinks he's better and more educate than there of us... [B]us, the realist, who can, based on history and current situation try to predict a future scenario of what might happened in DR in the next generation or so.[/B] We are the true patriots who seek to maintain our culture and value and are not so emotional to people who have done us wrong in the past. when DR become overrun with haitians to the point of balkanization I wonder what his stand would be ???

[B]Haitians like Dominicanation still see DR as rightfully theirs... They dream of empire... [/B]and since we border them guess who the subjects are ??? they have try many times before to take it and turn us into 2nd class citizen... they reason they havent' is because they can't but if they could... THEY WOULD...

P.S. [B]DREADLOCKS IS A MORALIST-PUSSY[/B]

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[B]DR Is right fully mine you little prick! and I will get it sooner or later. I'm going to take your country from you like the Jews took the US from the Americans......[/B]This is a new century baby and we are coming out. I don't need guns, I don't need an Army. Just business so don't take it personal. You know what they say when the Cat is away the mice come out to play and believe me I['m playing on both sides.
Just me and my Legion of Voodoo believers. AYIBOBO says I.
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DR isn't the USA... tomorrow we are civil, the next day the gates of hell open up

You've lost because you can't stop it... You've lost because you can't stop me... You are quick at judging me, when all I seek is the betterment of my country and people but then you fail to condemned Dominicannation when he insults our country, our people. So excuse me but all the evidence point to the fact... and that is that you are a soft-moralist-pussy...

PS how's my spelling???