| #421 - Posted 26 November 2008, 12:59 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 3200 | RE: Haitian Invasion of the Dominican Republic Haiti was invaded by US as well. Japan recovered by kicking US corporations out: Japan’s Ministry of Finance (MOF) and Ministry of International Trade and Industry (MITI) controlled the government’s budget; set monetary policy; collected taxes; supervised banks, brokers, and insurers; and established parameters for credit, asset values, capitalization, and lending. Through cross shareholding, designed specifically to prevent outsider takeover and to further their mercantilist goals, Japanese corporations were owned primarily by each other - protecting its rice farmers. After WWII, the same rapid industrialization was accomplished through high product prices being protected from imports by arbitrary health, safety and quality standards which permitted charging Japanese consumers three-times the price for consumer products as that paid by the rest of the world.5 Those high prices were only a hidden tax that, along with other dictated policies and creative accounting, gave Japanese industry the same free finance capital as it received 100 years earlier. Taxes were high on imports. http://www.ied.info/books/economic-democracy/japan Haiti, DR, don't do this. China, Vietnam do to an extent. DR did tax rice imports, Haiti did not. S. |
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| #422 - Posted 26 November 2008, 1:36 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: June 2008 Member #: 887 Posts: 1577 | RE: Haitian Invasion of the Dominican Republic Abc200 when you see a nation working in that way you know that you are going to listen from that people in the future: “Japan’s Ministry of Finance (MOF) and Ministry of International Trade and Industry (MITI) controlled the government’s budget; set monetary policy; collected taxes; supervised banks, brokers, and insurers; and established parameters for credit, asset values, capitalization, and lending. Through cross shareholding, designed specifically to prevent outsider takeover and to further their mercantilist goals, Japanese corporations were owned primarily by each other - protecting its rice farmers.” In Haiti nobody is doing something serious about their nation’s future. There is a group trying to get more than they already have and other group trying just to survive. That is all. Perhaps you have got news about the last Venezuela’s donation. The products are for sale here in Dominican Republic. It is not easy to have that kind of neighbor. |
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| #423 - Posted 26 November 2008, 2:43 PM | |
Location: United Kingdom Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 3200 | RE: Haitian Invasion of the Dominican Republic Everyone blames Haiti, Haiti people etc. I think in some way the USA and the whole international commumity must take the blame for failed states. There needs to be encouragement for good behaviour and penalties for bad. For example the low interntational price for sugar makes sugar platations poor places to work in many countries. In Brazil seven dollars a day, less in many counries. In these circumstance people loose dignity and self respect. Low prices for conflict diamonds fed wars in Africa. But actually the counries employing foreign migrant workers could do more. An insurance card system where every employee must have a card and every employer must attach a stamp every week and record pay is one possibility. With a minimum wage and some price control of produce this can work to provide basic assistance, e.g. schools, healthcare, accident insurance etc. Historically in the UK, for example, there was an Agricultural Wages Board and a system of empoloyment cards. Migrants from, say Ireland, Hungary, often very poor, sent money back home. It is important that parts of the system are administered by non-paid people. Customs, duties, public health measures and taxes are important. It is possible that UN mandates need extending - the choice is a real one - and unfortunately I think the UN has been biased towards democracy more than seeking security for ordinary people. Democracy can be manipulared, as can a dictatorship. But also the number of DR citizens who would vote for all Hatians to go back is limited; e.g. put up a 20 foot fence and rigorously enforce a 2 week stay. Camps for those it would be inhumane to send back. Thailand has this policy for Burma people. Dispite what other posters may think there is little that can be done regarding history http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlHCnKwlOw4&feature=related 'the evil that men do lives after them, the good is often interred with their bones'. S. |
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| #424 - Posted 26 November 2008, 4:42 PM | |
Location: United States, "La matabugas, matabocones, matacobardes y azarosos". Join date: November 2008 Member #: 1609 Posts: 1057 | RE: Haitian Invasion of the Dominican Republic ABC200, “Japan’s Ministry of Finance (MOF) and Ministry of International Trade and Industry (MITI) controlled the government’s budget; set monetary policy; collected taxes; supervised banks, brokers, and insurers; and established parameters for credit, asset values, capitalization, and lending. Through cross shareholding, designed specifically to prevent outsider takeover and to further their mercantilist goals, Japanese corporations were owned primarily by each other - protecting its rice farmers.” This a great deal of information you gave us. What a great model to follow!! DR must protect their farmers!! DR must protect their farmers!! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/quisqueya_jamas_destruida/ "BLOCK BY BLOCK LET'S BUILD THE WALL" “EL BRUTO AUNQUE SE DISFRASE DE LIBRO, BRUTO SE QUEDA” LA BRUTALIDAD NO SE APRENDE, SE HEREDA.[/B] |
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| #425 - Posted 26 November 2008, 4:47 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: June 2008 Member #: 887 Posts: 1577 | RE: Haitian Invasion of the Dominican Republic Abc200, thanks for the information. Sad pictures of a sad situation. Of course you are right, “in some way the USA and the whole international community must take the blame for failed states” but failed states must do something about their own life as a nation. By the way, can you tell if that people is accusing somebody of treating them as slaves, racism, discrimination, xenophobia and all those things Haitian accuse us all the time? |
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| #426 - Posted 26 November 2008, 4:54 PM | |
Location: United States, "La matabugas, matabocones, matacobardes y azarosos". Join date: November 2008 Member #: 1609 Posts: 1057 | RE: Haitian Invasion of the Dominican Republic ABC200, "But also the number of DR citizens who would vote for all Haitians to go back is limited; e.g. put up a 20 foot fence and rigorously enforce a 2 week stay.” It is a matter of time, when thing get worse in Haiti (which will happen), Haitians migrating to DR, and the people in DR will realize, too late, they are over flooded with Haitians, you know what will happen. "Camps for those it would be inhumane to send back. Thailand has this policy for Burma people" I think camps will work, where Haitians waiting to be sent back could be environmentally trained to take care of their environment, and go back and re-build their land. Again what you post is a great model for DR goverment to follow. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/quisqueya_jamas_destruida/ "BLOCK BY BLOCK LET'S BUILD THE WALL" “EL BRUTO AUNQUE SE DISFRASE DE LIBRO, BRUTO SE QUEDA” LA BRUTALIDAD NO SE APRENDE, SE HEREDA.[/B] |
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| #427 - Posted 26 November 2008, 7:14 PM | |
Location: Iran, Zähedän Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1286 Posts: 1116 | RE: Haitian Invasion of the Dominican Republic Are we still on this? C'mon... - EVERY elevation of the type ‘man,’ has hitherto been the work of an aristocratic society and so it will always be—a society believing in a long scale of gradations of rank and differences of worth among human beings, and requiring slavery in some form or other. - |
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| #428 - Posted 27 November 2008, 2:40 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: June 2008 Member #: 887 Posts: 1577 | RE: Haitian Invasion of the Dominican Republic Yes, we are still on this and take a chair, this is going to last a long, long time. There is no signs of real change in Haiti and we here, in the East side, are paying part of the bill while the good living people from Petion Ville is better than ever. |
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| #429 - Posted 27 November 2008, 2:51 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: June 2008 Member #: 887 Posts: 1577 | RE: Haitian Invasion of the Dominican Republic Hey, that is a lot of muscles but look at this: 154 countries were present in Germany playing the 2008 chess Olympiads. Haiti was not there. What happen with your brains? |
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| #430 - Posted 1 December 2008, 1:08 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1104 Posts: 659 | PeRod, Said Hey, that is a lot of muscles but look at this: 154 countries were present in Germany playing the 2008 chess Olympiads. Haiti was not there. What happen with your brains? Arkatype, Said PeRod the question you got to ask is? is Haiti even a nation? a country that has no formal economy, and a crumbling inefficient infrastructure housing a "Ghost Goverment." To the world in general they are not considered part of the community of nations more like anathema. You are the light of truth ARKATYPE |
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