You're kidding me, right? Don't you remember the CBC's visit to the bateyes on 2006? Don't you remember that they were the one's backing Aristide all over? May I remind you that Aristide is perhaps one of the bitterest enemies that the dominican nation have ever had? an enmity that bad that he refused to cross any street that had Duarte's name on it? (although many people say that his enmity comes from the fact of suffering a rejection from a beautiful dominican vegana) Come on Manny, I thought that you had more sense than that. Obviously your democratic views are getting in the way of seeing them for what they really are, that is, another hate mongering group with unlimited ambitions for political power, one among the many headquartered at DC. Also, as GC already said, they, in league with the Kennedy family, have been the ones financing Solange Pierre and her hate group since day one, so obviously they'll be always up to no good for me (or for any patriotic dominican, for that matter).

Like I said, a vocal minority. You proved my point of the okee-dok. You-tube videos created by one individual is great evidence, no doubt. Look at the responses that it gets. Propaganda by people with their own personal agenda has destroyed billions of lives, remember that!


Anyway, this is where I get off. Thanks for your views fellas.

Did you see “Esclaves Au Paradis”? Have you read something in espacinsular.org? Do not you know you can find Haitians asking not to buy our sugar or to support our tourism as a punishment for us?

It is not a vocal minority and our national image has suffer a lot because of their dirty work.

By the way, Can you tell where can I find a place with Haitians saying something good about Dominican Republic?

An American employee asked to our Foreign Relations Minister: How are Haitians in Dominican Republic? This was the answer: How are Haitians in Haiti? A Haitian can not resolve all his or her problems just crossing the border. We are not your enemies but we are not and we can not be the magic solution to your problems either.

Can you tell me how many haitian people you know? How many do you socialize with? What communities(outside of DR) that they live in?

I may see one of the movies floating around one day, but, those kind of stories do not bode well with me. I love Haiti and La Republica Dominicana (good and bad) for what I see and aim to see. I don't need translators. Just happened to be blessed with good insight into this thing called life and human nature.

Peace.

Laut you described their campaign as vocal but one has to dig to find evidence of CBC speaking against DR or plotting anything sinister. I don't question they have a pro-Haiti agenda, that they backed questionable leadership for Haiti...but I do question your assertion that these people are anti-DR hate mongers since as I said before I couldn't even find anything of recent vintage condemning DR.
Even in the sample article arka links there is no mention of DR. Unlike the population of this forum it seems the CBC and journalists have no problem speaking about Haitian probs without bringing DR into it.

Tarnishing them by associations ...this I expect from GC but not from you Lautaro.

I haven't been the first nor the last person to question their views, Manny. I'd recommend you to read the book "Notes from the Last Testament: The Struggle for Haiti" by Michael Deibert, you'll find plenty of condemnation against theirs (and the rest of the Congress) many one sided views about haitian issues, which have done more harm than good at the end of the day, so my suspicion and distrust for them is not entirely unfounded. And absolutely no one can accuse Deibert of not knowing the subject, cuz' the guy actually lived over there when the late troubles with Aristide began, and unlike many journalists from the US liberal left (Amy Goodman et al.), he listened to ALL the parties involved.

Kmnupe, I know a lot about Haitians and Haiti. The last name of the most important woman in my life (and the most wonderful woman on Earth) is Viau. Her mother is a Dominican and her father was a Haitian (a person very appreciated for me). There my story begins. Besides a long time ago Jean Price Mars said: “Santo Domingo and Washington are the main issues for Haiti”. Port-au-Prince and Washington are the main issues for us and we usually have a special interest in our neighbors.

I strongly believe that the best option for us (Dominicans and Haitians) is a prosperous Haiti. When a Dominican says something like that Haitians usually think he o she is lying because they strongly believe we can not survive without your support (and in that case we are going to loose it). I am really sorry they do not know our history.

Spain eternally forgot us and look at where we are (the “España Boba” actually begins in 1492). We have fought against all kind of enemies and look at us. Read my lips (or mark my words): We do not fear Haitian progress. Even more, “we need it”, we are not going to live in harmony in this island without a deep change in Haiti’s life, but how are we going to see a growing Haitian economy, a wonderful Haitian social progress, something more than a political stability fastened with pins if Haitians do not fight for their nation?

Do you think you can talk (just talk) with a drug dealer and ask him to stop his or her business? Do think you are going to get out administrative corruption just talking? Do you think you are going to stop smuggling and kidnapping just talking? Well, if that is the case I have for sale the Brooklim Brige, perhaps you want it.

That is the point where my problems with Haitians star. You talk all the time about Toussaint L’Ouverture, Jean Jacques Dessalines and Alexander Petion as your heroes and that is not enough, you need more than that.

Nobody wants to fight for Haiti. You are waiting for a Messiah or a life saver and do you know something? Nobody else is going to do your work.

Write beautiful pages (as every nation has done) with tears, with sacrifice and even with blood and you will be side by side with the whole world with admiration, respect and the best future ahead.

manny how could you say such a thing I am shocked shocked

With all due respect, this is where some people go wrong. They look at the lack of progress of a populace ,but trivialize their struggle.

Let's take the last 21 yrs.

1987__you can find footage of soldiers shooting citizens attempting to vote for the first time.
assassinations of grassroot leaders, journalists, local politicians, patriotic citizens.

1988-1990_more intimidation, murders( priests, children, women) you name it. Yet, people still push to be heard.

1991_the night of aristide's coup d'etat, at least 500 people killed throughout the country.

1991-1994_another 5000 or so murdered because they refused to be subdued. CIA-sponsored FRAPH

2004_ the second Aristide coup d'etat__More murders

The issues are not that simple, the wounds are DEEP.

Justice minister Guy Malary, millionaire businessman Antoine Izmery, Journalist/Radio commentator Jean Dominique would all "roll in their graves" if they knew they died for the country to become worse.

Tell my cousin who at 23 was killed by a stray bullet (his only crime was to dare go to a demonstration against state-sponsored brutality), that he didn't fight.

We can agree to disagree, but, don't say NOBODY fought!!! Unfortunately, the people with the power and money also have all the GUNS in that country and the Revolution cannot be won with ideology and concepts.