| #91 - Posted 12 December 2008, 9:33 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 1920 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans The Dominican Republic has done the worst job in the Americas of educating its population of their native roots. It's disgraceful that our country tries to bury our past. We need to honor the natives let's have some decency, and give their descendent's a holiday. Bo Matun "Thank you" Lautaro, for the great article. We are still here. May Yaya and Atabei bless our Taino people every where. Viva Quisqueya! Edited on 3/25/2009 12:02 AM by yumnuk3. The fate of Los Haitises What you can do Tell the Dominican Embassy in the U.S. that you oppose the government concession to build the cement factory. Telephone 202-332-6280, fax 202-265-8057, or e-mail embassy@us.serex.gov.do |
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| #92 - Posted 12 December 2008, 9:47 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4359 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: yumnuk3 previously said: The Dominican Republic has done the worst job in the Americas of educating its population of their native roots. It's disgraceful that our country tries to bury our past. We need to honor the natives let's have some decency, and give their descendent's a holiday. Bo Matun "Thank you" Lautaro, for the great article. We are still here. May Yaya and Atabei bless our Taino people every where. Viva Quisqueya! Any time, nuk. Also, I think this lack of knowledge of the Taino roots hasn't been the DR's fault on its entirety, because you have to take into account there are many Afrocentrists (or AfroNazis, more like it) in the US that are interested in "erasing" the native component of the West Indies' racial make-up. And seeing how there are significant segments of our population that are prone to adopt anything that an american says as a dogma, well, we don't need to speculate what the result would be. In the only thing that the DR hasn't bowed down yet to US interests is on the haitian issue (and that's not by much). Edited on 12/12/2008 9:49 AM by Lautaro. “Since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved.” Niccolo Machiavelli |
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| #93 - Posted 12 December 2008, 10:14 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: May 2008 Member #: 783 Posts: 1099 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: Lautaro previously said: Any time, nuk. Also, I think this lack of knowledge of the Taino roots hasn't been the DR's fault on its entirety, because you have to take into account there are many Afrocentrists (or AfroNazis, more like it) in the US that are interested in "erasing" the native component of the West Indies' racial make-up. And seeing how there are significant segments of our population that are prone to adopt anything that an american says as a dogma, well, we don't need to speculate what the result would be. In the only thing that the DR hasn't bowed down yet to US interests is on the haitian issue (and that's not by much). Lautaro: Thanks for this and all the previous post you have made. It has been very informative. Many years ago I read Ponz account of the history of Dominican Republic but was left with several curiosities and I think some of them have been answered. I once met a genetist who explained to me that the DR is a snapshot of the future makeup of the world. Edited on 12/12/2008 10:14 AM by ladronaso. So, you don't like what's happening in DR.... |
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| #94 - Posted 12 December 2008, 10:23 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4359 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: ladronaso previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Any time, nuk. Also, I think this lack of knowledge of the Taino roots hasn't been the DR's fault on its entirety, because you have to take into account there are many Afrocentrists (or AfroNazis, more like it) in the US that are interested in "erasing" the native component of the West Indies' racial make-up. And seeing how there are significant segments of our population that are prone to adopt anything that an american says as a dogma, well, we don't need to speculate what the result would be. In the only thing that the DR hasn't bowed down yet to US interests is on the haitian issue (and that's not by much). Lautaro: Thanks for this and all the previous post you have made. It has been very informative. Many years ago I read Ponz account of the history of Dominican Republic but was left with several curiosities and I think some of them have been answered. I once met a genetist who explained to me that the DR is a snapshot of the future makeup of the world. It might be far-fetched to some people over here, but I think that, notwithstanding the issues with the haitian descended population, the DR is the country that is closest to achieving a racial democracy on the entire continent. Even though many people would try to crucify me for saying this, the fact that the majority of the population is well represented on the political and military class and the level of miscegenation of our population speak more eloquently than all the defaming campaigns waged against us on foreign lands. And as you might know, political power and military high ranks on LA are the exclusive domain of the european descended elite. Edited on 12/12/2008 10:29 AM by Lautaro. “Since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved.” Niccolo Machiavelli |
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| #95 - Posted 12 December 2008, 11:00 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 336 Posts: 1585 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans AfroNazis? You've been reading too many GC posts Lautaro. Do you really think US Afrocentric scholars were the ones who buried our Taino heritage? That would be quite a feat considering the uphill battle of these scholars to be heard as regards US history, never mind somehow burying history of DR. You could argue that perhaps, in their attempt to redeem African heritage of the New World at large, that these scholars got too defensive or too emphatic. But I would venture that most of them are more sensitive to native histories than establishment (Eurocentric) historians responsible for claims these people were totally wiped out. |
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| #96 - Posted 12 December 2008, 11:04 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4359 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: Manhattanite previously said: AfroNazis? You've been reading too many GC posts Lautaro. Do you really think US Afrocentric scholars were the ones who buried our Taino heritage? That would be quite a feat considering the uphill battle of these scholars to be heard as regards US history, never mind somehow burying history of DR. You could argue that perhaps, in their attempt to redeem African heritage of the New World at large, that these scholars got too defensive or too emphatic. But I would venture that most of them are more sensitive to native histories than establishment (Eurocentric) historians responsible for claims these people were totally wiped out. I'm telling this because of their paramount influence with the dominican diaspora (see Junot Diaz, Silvio Torres Saillant and Ernesto Sagas' cases). And you must know that the diaspora have had a great cultural influence on the population at large on recent decades. Edited on 12/12/2008 11:05 AM by Lautaro. “Since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved.” Niccolo Machiavelli |
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| #97 - Posted 12 December 2008, 11:15 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: May 2008 Member #: 783 Posts: 1099 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: ladronaso previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Any time, nuk. Also, I think this lack of knowledge of the Taino roots hasn't been the DR's fault on its entirety, because you have to take into account there are many Afrocentrists (or AfroNazis, more like it) in the US that are interested in "erasing" the native component of the West Indies' racial make-up. And seeing how there are significant segments of our population that are prone to adopt anything that an american says as a dogma, well, we don't need to speculate what the result would be. In the only thing that the DR hasn't bowed down yet to US interests is on the haitian issue (and that's not by much). Lautaro: Thanks for this and all the previous post you have made. It has been very informative. Many years ago I read Ponz account of the history of Dominican Republic but was left with several curiosities and I think some of them have been answered. I once met a genetist who explained to me that the DR is a snapshot of the future makeup of the world. It might be far-fetched to some people over here, but I think that, notwithstanding the issues with the haitian descended population, the DR is the country that is closest to achieving a racial democracy on the entire continent. Even though many people would try to crucify me for saying this, the fact that the majority of the population is well represented on the political and military class and the level of miscegenation of our population speak more eloquently than all the defaming campaigns waged against us on foreign lands. And as you might know, political power and military high ranks on LA are the exclusive domain of the european descended elite. Do you really believe that Afronazis as you call lthem exist? At one time in the early part of my life I did belive so, but later learned that many African Americans issues with west indians or carribean peoples denying afro component of their heritage was rooted in these groups not identifyng with African Americans and not wanting to be classified as such. These groups just as domincinas, harboured their identity in their cultural roots and not race or color. So, you don't like what's happening in DR.... |
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| #98 - Posted 12 December 2008, 11:24 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 336 Posts: 1585 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: Lautaro previously said: I'm telling this because of their paramount influence with the dominican diaspora (see Junot Diaz, Silvio Torres Saillant and Ernesto Sagas' cases). And you must know that the diaspora have had a great cultural influence on the population at large on recent decades. Quote: Lautaro previously said: you have to take into account there are many Afrocentrists (or AfroNazis, more like it) in the US that are interested in "erasing" the native component of the West Indies' racial make-up. I'm still confused. Are you saying these fine men are 'AfroNazis'? I don't doubt they are influenced by black intellectuals, interact with them...and even to some degree consider themselves black intellectuals. But does that make them 'AfroNazis', and are all afrocentric scholars ultra afrocentrics? Are they really the ones who did the erasing in three short decades after the establishment ran history for so many centuries? I don't understand why you are so quick to discard the equanimity and even-handedness of the article and start pinning the blame for this historical ignorance of the Taíno on afrocentric scholarship. Also, after centuries of not telling their story one can hardly blame the afrocentric scholars for bursting on the scene so energetically and emphatically. I would also venture that if the afrocentric scholars and movements of the US had never emerged we would certainly not be coming across scholarship on native peoples of America being funded at universities. That was a barrier the afrocentric scholars broke. |
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| #99 - Posted 12 December 2008, 12:05 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 1920 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Let's speak the truth why is it that the Spaniards, French and Portuguese in Caribbean and South America mixed with the natives, while the British did not? This isn't meant to offend anyone, but could it be tied into the fact that the Spaniards, French, and Portuguese were Catholic and the British were protestant? If anyone has any thoughts, i'd like to know. ![]() Edited on 1/4/2009 1:46 AM by yumnuk3. The fate of Los Haitises What you can do Tell the Dominican Embassy in the U.S. that you oppose the government concession to build the cement factory. Telephone 202-332-6280, fax 202-265-8057, or e-mail embassy@us.serex.gov.do |
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| #100 - Posted 12 December 2008, 12:25 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 336 Posts: 1585 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans yumnuk religion may be a part of it, but there's also the immediate history of the Iberian's before their arrival. They already came from a culture where there were issues around identity, mixing and clashing of cultures, religions, and genes, and also a tradition of counter-culture/camouflaged resistance. I'm reading a great book on the topic now... Undoing Empire: Race and Nation in the Mulatto Caribbean by José F. Buscaglia-Salgado ...hope to share a review when I finish. |
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