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#1,311 - Posted 19 June 2012, 8:52 AM
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Been a very long time since I wrote anything here. Just wanted to share I few new things I have learned as of late. For the past few months I have been doing a heavy study on taino religion there was a few things that I found to be pretty cool. To start the four brothers in taino religion dealt with in some form the phases of the sun. We also now know the names of all four of the brothers. The cemies were also representative of the annual phases of the sun, the yucca plant was a representation of this. To give you an idea also the frog sacred to the Antilles was associated with rain, now I have also found the turtle to represent the sun. With some of these reasons alone I started doing a more serious study on taino religion. I don't want to go into too much detail but somewhere down the road I hope to share a detailed study in what am finding so far.


As we have corresponded before, contrary to some anthropologists, that do not value the advancement of the Taino civilization as a culture, and their caciques, based on the poor definition of their artwork, mainly details of nose, ears, and eyes, and set aside their sophisticated efforts and use of psychotropic drugs to raise consciousness, and "converse with the gods", as well as use of astrology.
It has been widely documented the use of "pimienta" (pepper) for warfare, based on placement of the seeds on a bed of coals, 600 years before their generalized use by police departments all over the world.



Indeed its an area that has been seriously neglected in my view. There is evidence of an advanced culture among the Tainos I make reference again to the late Eugenio Fernandez Mendez research on the Tainos. He gives a very detailed analysis in his book Art and Mythology of the Taino Idians I haven't seen that many people take his approach to date. Part of that their culture is so fragmented because we continue to view them through the eyes of the Spanish. As of now I am able to have an understanding of their art and tell who is who but am still missing a few important details, which am developing on now.
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12 Pre-Colombian Art Pieces Recovered in Costa Rica

Almost all Central Valley schoolchildren, amateur historians, culture lovers, and San José tourists have visited downtown’s wonderful Museo de Oro Precolombino (Pre-Colombian Gold Museum), Museo Nacional (National Museum), and the Museo de Jade (Jade Museum). And now, museum lovers can rejoice, as 12 genuine pre-Colombian pieces will be added to the collection, discovered during a police raid.


Looking for clues in a double homicide, police went into a Limón-area home and came out with far more than they had anticipated: 720 hidden pieces were found in the house, which police immediately delivered to archaeologists at the National Museum. After inspection, the experts declared that only 12 of the pieces were originals. Camacho, the property’s owner, was under investigation for the deaths of Jeffry Arnold Lawrence Dunkley, 28, and Jeudi Asbel Mata Sarmiento, 21, who were shot to death in Beverly, Limón.

Says Lady Bonilla, archaeologist for the museum, says that the objects come from the Atlantic zone, and cover a very diverse period of time, from before the birth of Christ to after the Spanish had arrived in Costa Rica. The recovered objects are all farming tools, among them ten axes with two sharp sides on each. The archaeologists also say that frog charms and stone sculptures are of indigenous origin, as well.

The National Museum has already sent the important paperwork to the Ministerio Público (Public Ministry). Marlin Calvo, director for the department of Patrimonio Histórico (Historical Patrimony), confirmed that, like all objects of pre-Colombian origin, all pieces that are obtained after the 1938 formation of the National Museum are the property of the state. The pre-Colombian copies will be returned to their Limón owner. It remains unknown whether Camacho knew that the objects were genuine, and family members told police that they were reproductions only used as decoration.

The recovery of these priceless objects is a coup for the National Museum, which has to deal regularly with individuals trying to illegally sell genuine pre-Colombian artifacts. Indeed, downtown’s three popular museums are filled with treasures from times past, introducing their visitors to exquisite jade jewelry, perfectly formed gold objects, tribal headwear, and ancient tools used to grind grains, cut meat, and perform many other daily chores.

For your pre-Colombian viewing pleasure, we recommend that you visit downtown’s museum trifecta, which is sure to both educate and fascinate your with its history and beautiful artifacts. The Pre-Colombian Gold Museum boasts more than 2,000 pre-Colombian pieces, including gold artifacts that weigh in at more than 22,000 troy ounces. The neighboring Fidel Tristan Jade Museum is world-famous, offering up incredible ceramics, gold artifacts, and a huge collection of jade (and other green stone), most of which has been formed into small figurines or beautiful jewelry fit for a princess. Lastly, the National Museum is a veritable wealth of Costa Rican history, displaying many pre-Colombian farming instruments, gold pieces, jade jewelry, and exhaustive explanations of its contents.

The National Museum is just one of the storehouses for Costa Rica’s rich history, helping create a bridge between early Costa Ricans and their modern counterparts. And though the bounty may seem small, the 12 recently-recovered pre-Colombian artifacts are truly a worthy addition to the National Museum’s collection.



The artifacts were recovered by Costa Rica’s Judicial Investigation Unit.

http://www.costaricapages.com/blog/costa-rica-news/pre-colombian-art/1000
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I recall reading somewhere that recent tests has shown 40% of the Dominican population having Taino ancestry. I know that a previous and less thorough test had shown it was only 16% which has now been disproven by the results of the more recent tests. So my question is this: Are the most recent tests an accurate representation of the entire Dominican population, similar to the tests done in Brazil and Puerto Rico? Or is this still a vague test in progress?
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I recall reading somewhere that recent tests has shown 40% of the Dominican population having Taino ancestry. I know that a previous and less thorough test had shown it was only 16% which has now been disproven by the results of the more recent tests. So my question is this: Are the most recent tests an accurate representation of the entire Dominican population, similar to the tests done in Brazil and Puerto Rico? Or is this still a vague test in progress?

Allow me to indulge your answer although I am not an expert in these matters.
The tests of over 1000 random subjects in different regions in DR, where mainly conducted by Puerto Rican professionals, and the DNA testing done by independent laboratories such as 23andme that arrived at the results you mentioned.
So this was an extensive study, although many can argue that a more elaborate study can be made, and there was nothing "vague" about it.
In different regions the percentage of Taino DNA was more profound, such as in remote areas of the cibao.
Some anthropologists and historians (Bernardo Vega) in DR have commented, that the studies sponsored by the Puerto Ricans, may have the ultimate goal of soliciting USA federal funds that are given to native populations.
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It would be good if areas of countries such as the DR were reserved for people with a good proportion of indigenous DNA.

Also to limit land purchases to people with 3 or 4 generations of DR ancestry and good DR nationality.

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It would be good if areas of countries such as the DR were reserved for people with a good proportion of indigenous DNA.

Also to limit land purchases to people with 3 or 4 generations of DR ancestry and good DR nationality.

S.


Like they did in the US. Do you know the horrible conditions those people live in ?
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I recall reading somewhere that recent tests has shown 40% of the Dominican population having Taino ancestry. I know that a previous and less thorough test had shown it was only 16% which has now been disproven by the results of the more recent tests. So my question is this: Are the most recent tests an accurate representation of the entire Dominican population, similar to the tests done in Brazil and Puerto Rico? Or is this still a vague test in progress?

Allow me to indulge your answer although I am not an expert in these matters.
The tests of over 1000 random subjects in different regions in DR, where mainly conducted by Puerto Rican professionals, and the DNA testing done by independent laboratories such as 23andme that arrived at the results you mentioned.
So this was an extensive study, although many can argue that a more elaborate study can be made, and there was nothing "vague" about it.
In different regions the percentage of Taino DNA was more profound, such as in remote areas of the cibao.
Some anthropologists and historians (Bernardo Vega) in DR have commented, that the studies sponsored by the Puerto Ricans, may have the ultimate goal of soliciting USA federal funds that are given to native populations.


That is indeed fascinating, and I was unaware that the U.S. did such things for native populations. But how strong does the native ancestry have to be? The studies so far show Dominicans have about 7% Native ancestry on average. Would that even be enough to consider the people of DR a native population?
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#1,318 - Posted 14 August 2012, 1:36 AM
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There's something that I've been wondering about lately, and I figured this thread would be the best place to get some insight about it since web searching wasn't very helpful. I've noticed that some people say the original name of Hispaniola given by the Tainos was Ayiti (which is what Haiti's name is based off). However, other people (such as us Dominicans) say it was Quisqueya. So was the island given different names by the different Taino tribes inhabiting it? Is one name incorrect? Or is there little concrete information pertaining to Hispaniola's original name?
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There's something that I've been wondering about lately, and I figured this thread would be the best place to get some insight about it since web searching wasn't very helpful. I've noticed that some people say the original name of Hispaniola given by the Tainos was Ayiti (which is what Haiti's name is based off). However, other people (such as us Dominicans) say it was Quisqueya. So was the island given different names by the different Taino tribes inhabiting it? Is one name incorrect? Or is there little concrete information pertaining to Hispaniola's original name?


The name Ayiti was used originally to refer to the area that we call "Los Haitises" nowadays, which is the landstrip separating the Samaná peninsula from the eastern region. The name would be expanded incorrectly to encompass the entire island due to a mistranslation from Bartolomé Las Casas. With that said, I assume that the real name of the island is Quisqueya, and even the Haitians themselves have started to realize the fact, and to reclaim the name accordingly, as with anything and everything pertaining DOMINICAN history. They seem not to realize that their history on this island begins either with the arrival of the cursed buccaneers to the western part of this island in 1629 after being expelled from St. Croix by the Spanish Armada, or after 1710, when African slaves started to be imported by the thousands by the French colonists of the usurped part of our island, if one really wants to get technical about it.
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There's something that I've been wondering about lately, and I figured this thread would be the best place to get some insight about it since web searching wasn't very helpful. I've noticed that some people say the original name of Hispaniola given by the Tainos was Ayiti (which is what Haiti's name is based off). However, other people (such as us Dominicans) say it was Quisqueya. So was the island given different names by the different Taino tribes inhabiting it? Is one name incorrect? Or is there little concrete information pertaining to Hispaniola's original name?


The name Ayiti was used originally to refer the area that we call "Los Haitises" nowadays, which is the landstrip separating the Samaná peninsula from the eastern region. The name would be expanded incorrectly to encompass the entire island due to a mistranslation from Bartolomé Las Casas. With that said, I assume that the real name of the island is Quisqueya, and even the Haitians themselves have started to realize the fact, and to reclaim the name accordingly, as with anything and everything pertaining DOMINICAN history. They seem not to realize that their history on this island begins either with the arrival of the cursed buccaneers to the western part of this island in 1629 after being expelled from St. Croix by the Spanish Armada, or after 1710, when African slaves started to be imported by the thousands by the French colonists of the usurped part of our island, if one really wants to get technical about it.


Thanks Lautaro, as usual, you come up with the real facts, to enlighten us all.
PS: I like the name Quisqueya the best, short, beautiful and to the point.
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