| #181 - Posted 27 January 2009, 5:49 PM | |
Location: United States, New York/CT Join date: January 2009 Member #: 1982 Posts: 105 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: Lautaro previously said: I have two questions for you, mr. Baracutei: Is your team planning to expand the Taino DNA investigations to cover the whole island? Is it true what some historians say about the chieftain Enriquillo being a sellout and not the liberator of our people that the traditional mythos usually portrays? Dear Lautaro, There are no immediate plans at the moment for further DNA studies. Both the y-chromosone and Nuclear DNA will have to wait until interested parties and funding become available. As for Enriquillo, I personally believe he has receieved very bad rap, especially among some Afro-centrics. Enriquillos main concern was to protect his people. This led him to a 15 year war with the Spanish. Having fought them to a standstill and evetually being "granted" his peoples freedom, harboring runaway slaves would have been detremental to the peace he and his people recieved. I certainly can understand why someone would judge him based on his returning African slaves to the Spanish. But if it were the other way around would the Africans harbor Indians even though it may cost them their new found freedom. These matters are very complicated. On the one hand Enriquillo certainly had Africans or Afro-Taino people amongst his people and where considered kin. About 5 years (my timeline may be off) after the peace was made between Enriquillo and the Spanish, a group of African slaves supposedly headed by Lemba attacked one of Enriquillos village and killed about 500 people Indians and Negroes included. Considering that Enriquillo had been dead for a few years. This attack probably had more to do with bride capture than revenge for Enriquillos actions pertaining to African slaves. It is a known fact that for every three African males that made the journey from Africa to the Americas only one African female survived. Hence African maroons not only needed Indians to help them survive in the Mountains, forests etc but they also needed women. Murcio was a Cacike who lasted 25 years fighting the Spanish. He never surrenderd and was given four villages in the Cibao. Another fascinating story............ |
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| #182 - Posted 28 January 2009, 8:08 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5742 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: Baracutei previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: I have two questions for you, mr. Baracutei: Is your team planning to expand the Taino DNA investigations to cover the whole island? Is it true what some historians say about the chieftain Enriquillo being a sellout and not the liberator of our people that the traditional mythos usually portrays? Dear Lautaro, There are no immediate plans at the moment for further DNA studies. Both the y-chromosone and Nuclear DNA will have to wait until interested parties and funding become available. As for Enriquillo, I personally believe he has receieved very bad rap, especially among some Afro-centrics. Enriquillos main concern was to protect his people. This led him to a 15 year war with the Spanish. Having fought them to a standstill and evetually being "granted" his peoples freedom, harboring runaway slaves would have been detremental to the peace he and his people recieved. I certainly can understand why someone would judge him based on his returning African slaves to the Spanish. But if it were the other way around would the Africans harbor Indians even though it may cost them their new found freedom. These matters are very complicated. On the one hand Enriquillo certainly had Africans or Afro-Taino people amongst his people and where considered kin. About 5 years (my timeline may be off) after the peace was made between Enriquillo and the Spanish, a group of African slaves supposedly headed by Lemba attacked one of Enriquillos village and killed about 500 people Indians and Negroes included. Considering that Enriquillo had been dead for a few years. This attack probably had more to do with bride capture than revenge for Enriquillos actions pertaining to African slaves. It is a known fact that for every three African males that made the journey from Africa to the Americas only one African female survived. Hence African maroons not only needed Indians to help them survive in the Mountains, forests etc but they also needed women. Murcio was a Cacike who lasted 25 years fighting the Spanish. He never surrenderd and was given four villages in the Cibao. Another fascinating story............ I know, the deal that Enriquillo signed would be the same one that the british colonial authorities signed with Jamaica's Windward maroons, that is, the brits agreed to leave them alone on their mountain villages as long as the maroons agreed to turn back any runaway slave that happened to get to their villages. Also, the shortage of women would not only be present on Kiskeya, but also on every Quilombo/Palenque on the New World, have you heard the history of the Quilombo do Palmares in Brazil? As for Murcio, could you please expand on his tale? cuz' he's practically absent from the Kiskeyan syllabus, or at least I haven't had the luck to find his tale on any of the history books of the island that I have had the luck of getting my hands on. Edited on 1/28/2009 8:18 AM by Lautaro. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #183 - Posted 30 January 2009, 12:12 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 5911 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans I have a question for you Baracutei. Lately there's been much talk about the Mayan doomsay calendar and prophecies as well as on the legends that the Aztecs had concerning the end of what they termed the "fifth" (maybe it was fourth) world, supposedly the current time we're living in, and also the Hopi legends concerning the same thing. My question is this: What legends that you are aware of did the tainos have concerning the end of time or the last days if you will? "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill |
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| #184 - Posted 6 February 2009, 5:38 PM | |
Location: United States, Miami & NYC Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2088 Posts: 4 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans This is so true. I coud not agree more. Great point of view! Quote: kmnupe previously said: Quote: yumnuk3 previously said: Abolish Columbus Day Why celebrate a day that pretends this country was empty when it was “discovered”? That’s like claiming the U.S. “discovered” Iraq in 2003. (Maybe that’s what the history books George Bush dreams about will say in 200 years). It’s an insulting myth and makes light of the genocide that started during that time period. The “Columbus Day” holiday is the only national holiday that is overtly insulting to millions . It is now universally understood that Christopher Columbus did not “discover” the American continent. That concept is one that is deeply insulting to American Indians and many native-born Americans of all cultures. It is also historically incorrect. American Indian people have been on this continent at least 10,000 years, and scientists have proven that numerous other explorers had arrived on this continent from other parts of the world long before Columbus. It is also now known that many of the things we once believed about Christopher Columbus were myths, and that much of what we did not know about him would seriously tarnish his image, to say the least. . . . . We therefore request that our Congressional Representatives re-name the federal holiday known as “Columbus Day” to “First Americans Day.” We also urge state and local elected officials, as well as businesses to do the same. Columbus took the title 'Admiral of the Ocean Sea' and proceeded to unleash a reign of terror unlike anything seen before or since. When he was finished, eight million Arawaks -- virtually the entire native population of Hispaniola -- had been exterminated by torture, murder, forced labor, starvation, disease and despair. The Italians would have a fit! |
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| #185 - Posted 10 February 2009, 5:45 PM | |
Location: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 3390 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Should Italian Americans celebrate Columbus Day? Changing Columbus Day to Italian Heritage Day http://www.unitednativeamerica.com/letters/Italian_Americans.html Edited on 2/12/2009 3:30 PM by yumnuk3. |
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| #186 - Posted 11 February 2009, 9:57 AM | |
Location: United States, New York/CT Join date: January 2009 Member #: 1982 Posts: 105 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: I have a question for you Baracutei. Lately there's been much talk about the Mayan doomsay calendar and prophecies as well as on the legends that the Aztecs had concerning the end of what they termed the "fifth" (maybe it was fourth) world, supposedly the current time we're living in, and also the Hopi legends concerning the same thing. My question is this: What legends that you are aware of did the tainos have concerning the end of time or the last days if you will? Hello Cibaeno75, I must confess that I am not much into doomsday/end of the world scenarios. In my lifetime alone I have witnessed at least three end of the world situations and the world continued! I believe that it may be that the Mayan calendar probably speaks more of human attitudes and social changes that must take place in order for us to continue. This of course is something that can be said of any people in any era. Humans are constantly evolving intellectually, spiritually, etc. The only prophecy that I am aware of regarding Tainos is one from Cacika Yuisa from PUerto Rico who said, that after 500 years the taino people would one day remember who they were and would live again. Judging from what I have experienced in my lifetime and the amount of people showing interest in our culture past and present, I can tell you that this prophecy certainly is coming true. All the best Baracutei |
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| #187 - Posted 11 February 2009, 8:27 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 1306 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Somebody should test bachatero Andy Andy and entertainment personality El Pacha. Those two guys have to have something going on in their ancestral genetics. An Argentine comedic guest even called El Pacha 'El Mestizo'. |
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| #188 - Posted 12 February 2009, 9:50 AM | |
Location: United States, New York/CT Join date: January 2009 Member #: 1982 Posts: 105 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: USADR previously said: Somebody should test bachatero Andy Andy and entertainment personality El Pacha. Those two guys have to have something going on in their ancestral genetics. An Argentine comedic guest even called El Pacha 'El Mestizo'. Hola, Those two definately have idealized Indian features. I actually have a collection of photos of Dominicans throughout the island with strong Native features. Perhaps I should post some, but I just dont know how! baracutei |
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| #189 - Posted 12 February 2009, 12:26 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 336 Posts: 1984 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Baracutei one o the buttons above the text box allows you to enter the URL of the images if you have already hosted the somewhere. It would be very nice to have a look, hope you can find a moment to post them for us! |
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| #190 - Posted 12 February 2009, 1:06 PM | |
Location: United States, New York/CT Join date: January 2009 Member #: 1982 Posts: 105 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: Manhattanite previously said: Baracutei one o the buttons above the text box allows you to enter the URL of the images if you have already hosted the somewhere. It would be very nice to have a look, hope you can find a moment to post them for us! hmmmmmmmm unfortunately I have not. Thanks for the reply though. Baracutei |
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