Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans - Santo Domingo

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yumnuk3 previously said:

Mayan and Aztec infuences in the Tainos

by tainoray

Taino Ti
This is an exerpt from the book written in 1984 called Influencias Mayas y Aztecas en los Tainos de las antillas mayores by Osvaldo Garcia Goyco. Mr Goyco was disuaded from further research by the academic elite at the time. I feel that Mr Goyco was on the right track & in light of the recent discovery of the TAINO BURIAL GROUND in Ponce, P R which shows Mayan influences , Aztec & Mayan influences should be further studied.

My Beautifull Aztec & Maya People, I know that we are related & that ia a beautifull thing.

Caracoli

a) Hurakan God of the Caribbean sea, metereological Phenomenon
b) Hurakan creative God of the Mayan Quiches

a) Opia - Spirit of the Dead Taino
b) Opilla - Name of one of the Chacas Mayan

a) Coatrisque - Taino Goddess of the heavy rainfalls
b) Coatlique - Aztec Goddess of the Earth and pattern of the subterraneos rios

a) Mamona - Taino Goddess, Mother of Supreme God
b) Mamom - Mayan God, Grandfathers of the Supreme Gods

a) Itiba - Taino Goddess of the 4 Caracaracoles
b) Ixtabai Mayan Goddess of the Gift

a) Atabey - Taino Goddess Mother of the Supreme God
b) Ahtabai - espiritus masculine Mayan, contraparte delas xtabai, that lives in the ceibas.

a) Yaya - God Taino of the deluge
b) Giagia - Mayan God of the deluge

a) Yayael - son of Yaya the Taino God
b) Giayalael - son of Giagia, the Mayan God

a) Savacu - God of the Caribbean ray
b) Menzavac - God of pours and the Mayan ray

a) Coabey - paradise of the Taino dead dead
b) Xibalbay - paradise of the Mayan Cackchiquel dead

a) Guayaba - second name of the Taino God of the dead
b) Uuayayab - Mayan God of the dead

a) Cemi - Tainos amulets, sacred people and bones of the dead
b) Cimi - also means Mayan death in name of the God of the dead

a) Tona - children that become frogs in the Taino myth,
being transformed by the sun
b) Tona - name of goddess Coatlique mother when it celebrates with the Tlaloques, Gods, frogs of rain

a) Corocote - Cemi Taino, father of the ninos that tenian two crowns in the head
b) Cocotl - Aztec asylum where they sacrifice ninos that tenian two remelinos in the head

http://tainonationnews.blogspot.com/2008/01/mayan-and-aztec-infuences-in-tainos.html

Very interesting post. Any one else have any firther information on meso-american influence on the tainos?

Additional links

The Popol Vuh and the Venus Cycle
(an analysis of the connection between the Mayan and Taino mythology concerning the Fall of the False Cosmic Center)

http://caneycircle.owlweb.org/popolvuh.html

Yahoo! 360° - Taino Spirituality

http://360.yahoo.com/blog-BEdV93gidKSrgf2tQ3TAb79tGOpjGA--

Los Indios: Birds of a Feather: Tainos y Mayas

http://in-dios.blogspot.com/2007/06/birds-of-feather-tainos-y-mayas.html

Taino-Maya Contacts

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/41/238.html

#256 - Posted 24 March 2009, 8:02 AM
yumnuk3 Location: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 3390	RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans The Tainos and the ancient Mayas The Taino people arrived in the Caribbean islands several thousand years ago. Our ancient ancestral homeland is the South American headwaters of the Orinoco river, the northern coasts, rain forests and the plains of Guyana and Venezuela where our ethnic relatives, the modern Arawak people still live. Our ancestors brought with them the core of that South American forest culture. It tenaciously clung to them in the intonation of their Arawak dialects, the agricultural tradition of yuca cultivation and the manufacture of Casava bread, the style of their pottery. Our people also brought with them an advanced canoe-building technology. It allowed them to negotiate the treacherous straights between the islands of the Caribbean as they made their way northwest colonizing them one by one. Once the area of the large islands was reached and colonized our ancestors came under the influence of an ancient and majestic culture that emanated from Mexico and the Central American mainland. Many of the traditions of this culture were new and strange to our ancestors but, although it took a long time, their ways were inexorably changed and enriched by it. Our ancestors learned to eat maize and chili peppers from these technologically advanced new neighbors. And the Central American neighbors learned to eat yuca from the strange South American newcomers. The cultures of the two peoples remained fundamentally distinct and different but after this encounter each one was enhanced by its contact with the other. The people of this Mesoamerican region who influenced the ancient Tainos most profoundly were the Mayas of the Yucatan penninsula southeast of Mexico. Maya culture was extremely advanced and they reached a level of spiritual understanding that our Taino ancestors understood was thoroughly enlightened. The Taino ancestors realized that the wisdom of the Mayas was in harmony with the equally profound spirituality that they themselves possessed and so the two people traded and adopted aspects of each other's spirituality and mystical belief just like they did with foods and other cultural exchange. Evidence of Taino cultural characteristics which were obviously borrowed from the Mayas include the well-documented head-elongation custom, use of litters to carry head chiefs, hirearchic stratification of society uncharacteristic to the ancestral South American Arawaks, the Taino ball game of Batey which closely parallels the Maya ball game of Pok a Pok, and much more. Modern archeologists are begining to recognize that the interchange of ideas and culture between the Mayas and the Tainos was more extensive than was previously suspected by them. We in the Caney have always been aware of the intimate connections between the spirituality of the Tainos and the Mayas. Since the 1960's Beike Bo Sobaoko Koromo was inspired by his father to develop a deep respect and admiration for the wisdom of the Mayas, their spiritual mathematics, their magical calendar and their enlightened astronomy. This happened as a result of the fact that it became apparent that a number of Maya indians were kidnapped by the Spanish conquistadores from Yucatan during the grim era of the conquest and were brought as slaves to Cuba. The blood and ethnicity of these Mayas became mixed with that of some of the Tainos that lived in Oriente province where Beike Sobakoko was born. Some of his ancestors are actually Yucatecan Mayas. Beike Bo Sobaoko Koromo was initiated as a Maya calendar daykeeper in the mid 1990's and conducts workshops and seminars on the profound message of the Mayan calendar. http://in-dios.blogspot.com/2007/06/birds-of-feather-tainos-y-mayas.html
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#252 - Posted 16 March 2009, 2:12 PM
Baracutei Location: United States, New York/CT Join date: January 2009 Member #: 1982 Posts: 106	RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: USADR previously said: Supposedly Natives from the rest of the Caribbean were brought to DR as slaves by the Spaniards. Also, I seem to recall that these slaves came from as far away as the Yucatan peninula. The largets number of Indian slaves brought to the DR were from the Lucayo islands (bahamas) 40,000 of them were brought to the DR. These people of course were taino. As matter of fact the great taino cacique Caonabo was reportedly from the Lucayan islands. There were indeed Indians from the manland brought to the DR ,but most of these were males. The vast majority of mtDNA f(which is only passed from a female to her children) found today in the DR is of Taino extraction. Its is a good bet that most of the y chromosone (male) dna that is native american in the DR will probably be from outside Indian sources. Baracutei Sorry would write more but I have DEADLINES on top of my DEALINES!
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#253 - Posted 18 March 2009, 11:58 PM
taky1 Location: United States Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2212 Posts: 287	RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: taky1 previously said: I wouldn't go as far as saying that the "meso-American cultures were the result of African presence in the Americas before 1492" What I would say is that some of the cultures and people were What exactly are you trying to say? As Baracutei pointed out it is pure historical revisionism to say that Meso-American cultures (Mayan, Toltec, Aztec, Incan, etc.) or their people were the result of pre-Colombian African presence. Cultural hijaking at it's finest, no different than Nordicist who claim the ancient Egypt. Quote: The Europeans created many problems when they limit people with dark skin and people that look certain way to just Africa.... The Europeans? Please elaborate what did many of the Slavic nations' (who's people have their own very long history of being slaves to Turks, Arabs and other European countries) have to do with this? What did Albanians do? Blaming a whole continent for current modern day colorism/racism is beyond ridiculous. So current colorism among Afrodescendants, for example like in the case of the majority of BET's (Black Entertainment Televison) hosts being light skinned or not even African American this is the Europeans fault? Quote: I do not have a problem if someone decided not to identify with only one aspect of their ancestry, what I have a problem with is people who see dark skin and what conected to it as a badge of some kind of curse, something to look down on, insult and ostracize. This includes people who opposed the one drop rule when it apply one way but practiced the same thing the apposite way because of the same reasons that I mention There is no such thing as a 'reverse' one drop rule (being considered 'white' based on having one European ancestor). In the USA: black crayon + white crayon=black crayon. black+white=black 1+1=1 In LatinAmerica: black crayon+white crayon=gray crayon. It is neither black or white but a new category made from both black and white. black+white=mulatto 1+1=2 Former Cuban dictator Batista is a Cuban mulatto, that is how Cubans call him, they don't call him white. Yes there were people among some groups of the native Americans that would be categorize as Black base on their prototypes This is different from saying that the meso-American civilizations was a result of African influence. That's a whole different conversation As usual some of your reply's are addressing something different from what I wrote.But you are right in pointing out my generalization concerning Europeans but those who are guilty my statement still stands And the colorism that you mention among some Blacks, which is also present among some sections of all none Whites, I ask you: where did it all come from?
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#254 - Posted 20 March 2009, 12:54 PM
cibaeño75 Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 5911	RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: yumnuk3 previously said: Mayan and Aztec infuences in the Tainos by tainoray Taino Ti This is an exerpt from the book written in 1984 called Influencias Mayas y Aztecas en los Tainos de las antillas mayores by Osvaldo Garcia Goyco. Mr Goyco was disuaded from further research by the academic elite at the time. I feel that Mr Goyco was on the right track & in light of the recent discovery of the TAINO BURIAL GROUND in Ponce, P R which shows Mayan influences , Aztec & Mayan influences should be further studied. My Beautifull Aztec & Maya People, I know that we are related & that ia a beautifull thing. Caracoli a) Hurakan God of the Caribbean sea, metereological Phenomenon b) Hurakan creative God of the Mayan Quiches a) Opia - Spirit of the Dead Taino b) Opilla - Name of one of the Chacas Mayan a) Coatrisque - Taino Goddess of the heavy rainfalls b) Coatlique - Aztec Goddess of the Earth and pattern of the subterraneos rios a) Mamona - Taino Goddess, Mother of Supreme God b) Mamom - Mayan God, Grandfathers of the Supreme Gods a) Itiba - Taino Goddess of the 4 Caracaracoles b) Ixtabai Mayan Goddess of the Gift a) Atabey - Taino Goddess Mother of the Supreme God b) Ahtabai - espiritus masculine Mayan, contraparte delas xtabai, that lives in the ceibas. a) Yaya - God Taino of the deluge b) Giagia - Mayan God of the deluge a) Yayael - son of Yaya the Taino God b) Giayalael - son of Giagia, the Mayan God a) Savacu - God of the Caribbean ray b) Menzavac - God of pours and the Mayan ray a) Coabey - paradise of the Taino dead dead b) Xibalbay - paradise of the Mayan Cackchiquel dead a) Guayaba - second name of the Taino God of the dead b) Uuayayab - Mayan God of the dead a) Cemi - Tainos amulets, sacred people and bones of the dead b) Cimi - also means Mayan death in name of the God of the dead a) Tona - children that become frogs in the Taino myth, being transformed by the sun b) Tona - name of goddess Coatlique mother when it celebrates with the Tlaloques, Gods, frogs of rain a) Corocote - Cemi Taino, father of the ninos that tenian two crowns in the head b) Cocotl - Aztec asylum where they sacrifice ninos that tenian two remelinos in the head http://tainonationnews.blogspot.com/2008/01/mayan-and-aztec-infuences-in-tainos.html Very interesting post. Any one else have any firther information on meso-american influence on the tainos? "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
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#257 - Posted 24 March 2009, 4:12 PM
poponlaburra Location: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People Join date: November 2008 Member #: 1609 Posts: 1807	RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Great stuff Yumnuk3! "PROUD & Glad to have a Spanish last name and ancestry"
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#258 - Posted 24 March 2009, 9:55 PM
cibaeño75 Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 5911	RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: poponlaburra previously said: Great stuff Yumnuk3! Indeed. "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
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#251 - Posted 16 March 2009, 12:30 PM
yumnuk3 Location: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 3390	RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Mayan and Aztec infuences in the Tainos by tainoray Taino Ti This is an exerpt from the book written in 1984 called Influencias Mayas y Aztecas en los Tainos de las antillas mayores by Osvaldo Garcia Goyco. Mr Goyco was disuaded from further research by the academic elite at the time. I feel that Mr Goyco was on the right track & in light of the recent discovery of the TAINO BURIAL GROUND in Ponce, P R which shows Mayan influences , Aztec & Mayan influences should be further studied. My Beautifull Aztec & Maya People, I know that we are related & that ia a beautifull thing. Caracoli a) Hurakan God of the Caribbean sea, metereological Phenomenon b) Hurakan creative God of the Mayan Quiches a) Opia - Spirit of the Dead Taino b) Opilla - Name of one of the Chacas Mayan a) Coatrisque - Taino Goddess of the heavy rainfalls b) Coatlique - Aztec Goddess of the Earth and pattern of the subterraneos rios a) Mamona - Taino Goddess, Mother of Supreme God b) Mamom - Mayan God, Grandfathers of the Supreme Gods a) Itiba - Taino Goddess of the 4 Caracaracoles b) Ixtabai Mayan Goddess of the Gift a) Atabey - Taino Goddess Mother of the Supreme God b) Ahtabai - espiritus masculine Mayan, contraparte delas xtabai, that lives in the ceibas. a) Yaya - God Taino of the deluge b) Giagia - Mayan God of the deluge a) Yayael - son of Yaya the Taino God b) Giayalael - son of Giagia, the Mayan God a) Savacu - God of the Caribbean ray b) Menzavac - God of pours and the Mayan ray a) Coabey - paradise of the Taino dead dead b) Xibalbay - paradise of the Mayan Cackchiquel dead a) Guayaba - second name of the Taino God of the dead b) Uuayayab - Mayan God of the dead a) Cemi - Tainos amulets, sacred people and bones of the dead b) Cimi - also means Mayan death in name of the God of the dead a) Tona - children that become frogs in the Taino myth, being transformed by the sun b) Tona - name of goddess Coatlique mother when it celebrates with the Tlaloques, Gods, frogs of rain a) Corocote - Cemi Taino, father of the ninos that tenian two crowns in the head b) Cocotl - Aztec asylum where they sacrifice ninos that tenian two remelinos in the head http://tainonationnews.blogspot.com/2008/01/mayan-and-aztec-infuences-in-tainos.html
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#255 - Posted 24 March 2009, 8:01 AM
yumnuk3 Location: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 3390	RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: yumnuk3 previously said: Mayan and Aztec infuences in the Tainos by tainoray Taino Ti This is an exerpt from the book written in 1984 called Influencias Mayas y Aztecas en los Tainos de las antillas mayores by Osvaldo Garcia Goyco. Mr Goyco was disuaded from further research by the academic elite at the time. I feel that Mr Goyco was on the right track & in light of the recent discovery of the TAINO BURIAL GROUND in Ponce, P R which shows Mayan influences , Aztec & Mayan influences should be further studied. My Beautifull Aztec & Maya People, I know that we are related & that ia a beautifull thing. Caracoli a) Hurakan God of the Caribbean sea, metereological Phenomenon b) Hurakan creative God of the Mayan Quiches a) Opia - Spirit of the Dead Taino b) Opilla - Name of one of the Chacas Mayan a) Coatrisque - Taino Goddess of the heavy rainfalls b) Coatlique - Aztec Goddess of the Earth and pattern of the subterraneos rios a) Mamona - Taino Goddess, Mother of Supreme God b) Mamom - Mayan God, Grandfathers of the Supreme Gods a) Itiba - Taino Goddess of the 4 Caracaracoles b) Ixtabai Mayan Goddess of the Gift a) Atabey - Taino Goddess Mother of the Supreme God b) Ahtabai - espiritus masculine Mayan, contraparte delas xtabai, that lives in the ceibas. a) Yaya - God Taino of the deluge b) Giagia - Mayan God of the deluge a) Yayael - son of Yaya the Taino God b) Giayalael - son of Giagia, the Mayan God a) Savacu - God of the Caribbean ray b) Menzavac - God of pours and the Mayan ray a) Coabey - paradise of the Taino dead dead b) Xibalbay - paradise of the Mayan Cackchiquel dead a) Guayaba - second name of the Taino God of the dead b) Uuayayab - Mayan God of the dead a) Cemi - Tainos amulets, sacred people and bones of the dead b) Cimi - also means Mayan death in name of the God of the dead a) Tona - children that become frogs in the Taino myth, being transformed by the sun b) Tona - name of goddess Coatlique mother when it celebrates with the Tlaloques, Gods, frogs of rain a) Corocote - Cemi Taino, father of the ninos that tenian two crowns in the head b) Cocotl - Aztec asylum where they sacrifice ninos that tenian two remelinos in the head http://tainonationnews.blogspot.com/2008/01/mayan-and-aztec-infuences-in-tainos.html Very interesting post. Any one else have any firther information on meso-american influence on the tainos? Additional links The Popol Vuh and the Venus Cycle (an analysis of the connection between the Mayan and Taino mythology concerning the Fall of the False Cosmic Center) http://caneycircle.owlweb.org/popolvuh.html Yahoo! 360° - Taino Spirituality http://360.yahoo.com/blog-BEdV93gidKSrgf2tQ3TAb79tGOpjGA-- Los Indios: Birds of a Feather: Tainos y Mayas http://in-dios.blogspot.com/2007/06/birds-of-feather-tainos-y-mayas.html Taino-Maya Contacts http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/41/238.html
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#259 - Posted 25 March 2009, 8:35 AM
yumnuk3 Location: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 3390	RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: poponlaburra previously said: Great stuff Yumnuk3! Indeed. I’m glad to hear you both enjoyed.... I can't believe we were taught The natives can only count to 20 using their fingers and toes.LOL.
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#260 - Posted 25 March 2009, 8:39 AM
yumnuk3 Location: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 3390	RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans The Mayan numerical system was vigesimal (20-base); symbols were given a value according to position and the concept of zero was known. Three symbols were used in writing numbers: a dot for one, a bar for five and a seashell for zero. This was the most common way of expressing mathematical computations. Another mathematical system, more intricate and complex, was also employed. This one utilized glyphs representing assorted deities. Fig. 1-1. One way of writing Mayan numbers. Each number from 1 to 12 is represented by the head of a different deity, while the glyphs for 13 through 19 are composites formed by adding part of the sign for 10 (the fleshless jaw of a skull) on the heads for 3 to 9. Some, but not all Mayan languages form the words for these numbers in just this way, with unique words for "eleven" and "twelve" but with "three" through "nineteen" combining the elements for the words "three" through "nine" with that for "ten." Fig. 1-2. Maya numbers. The commonest method of writing numbers features a dot for 1 and a bar for 5. For numbers greater than 19, Maya place-notation employs a stylized sign (a shell in the painted books) for 0. The place system is vigesimal, so that the value of the places increases by 20 (reading up). For time calculation, however, a special convention sets the third place equal to 360 instead of 400. Maya Architecture Mayan + Aztec calendars
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