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#21 - Posted 30 November 2008, 5:53 PM
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Funny. Most people are brainwashed to accept and conform with everything they are taught. Most people here are still defending Columbus, because he at least did "something" like Welcome to the land of New India, oops I mean America.

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#22 - Posted 30 November 2008, 6:03 PM
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I dont believe in neither, and though I dont believe in all the homage given to Columbus must admit he deserves recognition. Imagine the world had he not made it to west.






So, you don't like what's happening in DR....

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Funny. Most people are brainwashed to accept and conform with everything they are taught. Most people here are still defending Columbus, because he at least did "something" like Welcome to the land of New India, oops I mean America.




BTW I am willing to bet that you all believe the world was created in seven days.

I'm a realist and in no way defend Columbus but do think at a minimum acknowledge his existence and the can of worms he opened.

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The entire continent was founded on the raping of this Indian land, heritage and culture. It was also founded on the massacres, tortures, raping, theft, so many wrongs that the crook scum of the earth Columbus has done. He's the devil. The evil deeds and that the fact that he wasn't the first to discover America (there were those already there, of course the Indians) were somehow covered up, which means that he is always credited as the 1st to discover America, bullshit. Rest in piss thieving asshole.




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Anacaona

Anacaona, (date of birth unknown - died about 1504, Hispaniola), also called the Golden Flower, was a Taíno queen, sister of Behechio and wife of Caonabo, two of the five highest caciques who possessed the island of Hispaniola when the Spaniards settled there in 1492. She was celebrated as a composer of ballads and narrative poems, called areytos.



Life
During Bartolomé Colón's visit to the cacicazgo of Xaragua in the southwest of Hispaniola (modern day Haiti) in late 1496, Anacaona and her brother Behechio appeared as equal negotiators. On that occasion, described by Bartolomé de las Casas in Historia de las Indias, Colón successfully negotiated for tribute consisting of food and cotton for the struggling Spanish settlers under his command. The visit is described as having taken place in a friendly atmosphere. Several months later, Colón arrived with a caravel to collect a part of the tribute. Anacaona and Behechio had sailed briefly aboard the caravel, near today's Port-au-Prince in the Gulf of Gonâve.

Anacaona's high status was probably strengthened by elements of matrilineal descent in the Taíno society, as described by Peter Martyr d'Anghiera. Taíno caciques usually passed inheritance to the eldest children of their sisters. When there were no children of their sisters, they chose amongst those of their brothers, and failing these, they fell back upon their own.

Anacaona had one child, named Higuamota, whose date of death and date of birth are both unknown.


Arrest
Anacaona became queen of Xaragua after her brother's death. Her husband Caonabo, suspected of having organised the attack on La Navidad (northern Haiti), was captured by Alonso de Ojeda and shipped to Spain, dying in a shipwreck during the journey. The Taínos, being ill-treated by the conquerors, revolted, and made a long war against them. During a feast organized by eight regional chieftains to honor the queen of Xaragua, who was friendly to the Spaniards, Spanish Governor Nicolás de Ovando ordered the meeting house set on fire. He arrested Anacaona and her Taíno noblemen, all of whom, being accused of conspiracy, were executed. While others were shot, Anacaona was instead hanged at the age of 29.


Legacy
Anacaona is very much revered in Haiti, with many claiming her to be a significant icon in early Haitian history and consequently a primordial founder of their country. Immortalized in the intertwining histories of both Haiti and the Dominican Republic have resulted in various places in both countries bearing her name. Renowned Haitian American author Edwidge Danticat wrote an award-winning novel in dedication to the befallen queen.


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"Imagine the world had he not made it to the West"

As far as DR is concerned, everyone would probably just be chillin in their conucos. Considering this is what most prefer anyways and our passiveness (sometimes to our own detriment), I think we can safely say that certain aspects of our personality come from what historians label Taino characteristics.
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"He was bad... there's no denying... but according to historians such as Henry Kamen, there were never enough spaniards in the new world for the genocide that's attributed to them... It was diseases that made the large scale genocide possible"

Oh boy, and what was done to the US Native American, centuries later by the British and early setters.

We must remember that Typically Americans and English like to take away what Spain contribution to the world by making bashful commentaries like these. Their motto "Divide and conquer"
For some non-Hispanic, it is not to their advantage for all Latin America countries and Spain to be united, to have a good rapport.
England and their sons (USA) have some type of jealousy towards our mother land Spain. That is why England sent so many pirates to rob Spanish fleets. That is why US help rebels in South America to divide South America and to rob the Caribbean and you know the USA states.




Read Henry Kamen and his analysis of the Spanish Empire... he compares it to all other empires... And it was quite retarded... Which is one of the reason for the underdevelopment of Latin America....

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The entire continent was founded on the raping of this Indian land, heritage and culture. It was also founded on the massacres, tortures, raping, theft, so many wrongs that the crook scum of the earth Columbus has done. He's the devil. The evil deeds and that the fact that he wasn't the first to discover America (there were those already there, of course the Indians) were somehow covered up, which means that he is always credited as the 1st to discover America, bullshit. Rest in piss thieving asshole.

Total unmitigated B.S.

Hey Yumnutz.
Ever been to Mexico City? Ever see those pyrimides? Do you know what they did at the top of that pyrimide?

How about the Incas. War, Slavery ,genocide all before Pizzaro ever set foot on the continent.

What about the Mayans? Oh yea. They wiped themselves out.

And last but not least we have the Caribes.
Say what you want about the Europeans. At least they didn't go around capturing people for a BBQ.

Go ahead an beleive what you want to believe if it is what you need to feel good about yourself.
As for me I live in the real world where bad things happen. Where to the victors go the spoils and

NOBODY IS INNOCENT!!!
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Quotations
from the book
American Holocaust
by David Stannard
Oxford University Press



p66
I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter into your country and shall make war against you in all ways and manners that we can, and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church and of Their Highnesses. We shall take you and your wives and your children, and shall make slaves of them, and as such shall sell and dispose of them as Their Highnesses may command. And we shall take your goods, and shall do you all the mischief and damage that we can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive their lord and resist and contradict him.
a statement Spaniards were required to read to Indians they encountered in the New World
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p70
Bartolome de Las Casas the best known of the missionaries who accompanied Christopher Columbus to the New World
Once the Indians were in the woods, the next step was to form squadrons and pursue them, and whenever the Spaniards found them, they pitilessly slaughtered everyone like sheep in a corral. It was a general rule among Spaniards to be cruel; not just cruel, but extraordinarily cruel so that harsh and bitter treatment would prevent Indians from daring to think of themselves as human beings or having a minute to think at all. So they would cut an Indian's hands and leave them dangling by a shred of skin and they would send him on saying "Go now, spread the news to your chiefs." They would test their swords and their manly strength on captured Indians and place bets on the slicing off of heads or the curting of bodies in half with one blow. They burned or hanged captured chiefs.

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Bartoleme de Las Casas
By other massacres and murders besides the above, they have destroyed and devastated a kingdom more than a hundred leagues square, one of the hap- | piest in the way of fertility and population in the world. This same tyrant wrote that it was more populous than the kingdom of Mexico; and he told the truth. He and his brothers, together with the others, have killed more than four or five million peopIe in fifteen or sixteen years, from the year 1525 until 1540, and they continue to kill and destroy those who are still left; and so they will kill the remainder."
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p85
... overall in central Mexico the population fell by almost 95 percent within seventy-five years following the Europeans' first appearance - from more than 25,000,000 people in 1519 to barely 1,300,000 in 1595.
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In northern Mexico, over a somewhat longer period, the native population fell from more than 2,500,000 to less than 320,000. Wherever the invaders went, the pattern was the same. On the island of Cozumel, off the eastern coast of Mexico, more than 96 percent of the population had been destroyed less than 70 years after the Spaniards' first arrival. In tbe Cuchumatan Highlands of Guatemala the population feII by 82 percent within the first half-century following European contact, and by 94 percent - from 260,000 to 16,000 - in less than a century and a half. In western Nicaragua 99 percent of the people were dead (falling in number from more than 1,000,000 to less than 10,000) before sixty years had passed from the time of the Spaniards' initial appearance. In western and central Honduras 95 percent of the people were exterminated in half a century. In Cordoba, near the Gulf of Mexico, 97 percent of the population was extinguished in little more than a century, while simultaneously, in neighboring Jalapa, the same lethal pattern held: 97 percent of the Jalapa population was destroyed- falling from 180,000 people in -1520 to 5000 in 1626. With dreary regularity, in countless other locales across the length and breadth of Mexico and down into Central America, the European intrusion meant the sudden and near total disappearance of populations that had lived and flourished there for thousands upon thousands of years.
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Peru and Chile, home of the Incas and one of the wealthiest and largest empires anywhere, covering virtually the entire western coast of the South American continent, had contained at least 9,000,000 people only a few years before the Europeans arrived, possibly as many as 14,000,000 or more. As elsewhere, the conquistadors' diseases preceded them-smallpox, and probably other epidemics swept down through Mexico and across the Andes in the early 1520s, even before Pizarro's first foray into the region- but also as elsewhere the soldiers and settlers who followed wreaked terrible havoc and destruction themselves. Long before the close of the century, barely 1,000,000 Peruvians remained alive. A few years more and that fragment was halved again. At least 94 percent of the population was gone-somewhere between 8,500.000 and 13,500.000 people had been destroyed.
Here, as in the Caribbean and Mexico and Central America, one could fill volumes with reports of murderous European cruelties, reports derived -from the Europeans' own writings. As in those other locaTes, Indians were flogged, hanged, drowned, dismembered, and set upon by dogs of war as the Spanish and others demanded more gold and silver than the natives were able to supply. One ingenious European technique for getting what they wanted involved burying Indian leaders in earth up to their waists after they had given the Spanish all the goods that they possessed. In that helpless position they then were beaten with whips and ordered to reveal the whereabouts of the rest of their treasure. When they could not comply, because they had no more valuable possessions, more earth was piled about them and the whippings were continued. Then more earth. And more beating. At last, says the Spanish informant on this particular matter, "they covered them to the shoulders and finally to the mouths." He then adds as an afterthought: "I even believe that a great number of natives were burned to death."
Pedro de Cieza de Leon, in what is justly regarded as the best firsthand account of the conquest of the Incas, describes in page after page the beautiful valleys and fields of this part of the world, the marvelous cities, the kind and generous native people-and the wholesale slaughter of them by the Spanish "as though a fire had gone, destroying everything in its path." Cieza de Leon was himself a conquistador, a man who believed in the right of the Spaniards to seize Indians and set them to forced labor, but only, he wrote, "when it is done in moderation." He explains:
I would not condemn the employment of Indian carriers ... but if a man had need of one pig, he killed twenty; if four Indians were wanted, he took a dozen . . . and there were many Spaniards who made the poor Indians carry their whores in hammocks borne on their shoulders. Were one ordered to enumerate the great evils, injuries, robberies, oppression, and ill treatment inflicted on the natives during these operations . . . there would be no end of it... for they thought no more of killing Indians than if they were useless beasts.
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p85
... overall in central Mexico the population fell by almost 95 percent within seventy-five years following the Europeans' first appearance - from more than 25,000,000 people in 1519 to barely 1,300,000 in 1595.
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p91
For the Andean society as a whole ... within a century following their first encounter with the Spanish, 94-96 percent of their once-enormous population had been exterminated; along their 2000 miles of coastline, where once 6,500,000 people had lived, everyone was dead.
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p95
By the time the sixteenth century had ended perhaps 200,000 Spaniards had moved their lives to the Indies, to Mexico, to Central America, and points further to the south. In contrast, by that time, somewhere between 60,000,000 and 80,000,000 natives from those lands were dead.
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David Stannard?

You are using David Stannard as a reference?

His work has been universally discredited. Why don't you quote Ward Churchill while your at it!
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