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#411 - Posted 2 July 2009, 3:22 PM
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"The only city/town i've seen with many people who can pass for euro-indegenous is San Jose de las Matas, but as for the rest of the cibao its not the case. "

I disagree. I think most of the towns that surround the central triangle of Moca, Santiago, and La vega are peopled by individuals that pretty much resemble the very people you named, those from San Jose de Las Matas. I should know, I'm from the area and know it well. Janico, San Jose de Las Matas, Sabana Iglesia, Jarabacoa, Baitoa, Ei Camito, Taveras, Puñal, Juana Diaz, Rio Verde, La Jina etc..all resemble each other and are culturally more alike to each other than they are to other parts of the country, including other parts of the cibao.

I agree, I think the Cibao has many who can pass as 'mestizo' in other countries, especially Mexico who probably has the broadest mestizo definition.
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#412 - Posted 2 July 2009, 3:25 PM
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Yes i'd agree there are similaritise in the central-triangle culturally, like the some parts of the central cibao dont seem to have developed their own variety of palo, but did develop alot of Tambora styles, probably a difference in African ethnic groups as well as less African-reinforcement. Not all of the central-cibao is missing Palo, but some of it is, the eastern and western cibao on the other hand have had Palo cultures for a very very long time. S.F.M and Cotui have been playing palo for hundreds of years. Culturally i think each city is very unique, there are some things we make in S.F.M that are not made anywhere else. As far as phenotypically, Santiago, and La Vega do not have a majority of Amelia Vegaz/Juan Luis Guerra types, but they might be more common then in other places, still not the majority of what i seen riding around, the only place where i really seen a dominant presence of light skinned peoples was San Jose de Las Matas. But i wont focus too much on this too not deviate the topic. But i think that it is interesting that people have that stereotype for the cibao.

I theorize that the i in the cibaenyo accent is of a specific indegenous ethnic group that was disperesed in the region. Although the i varies from town to town, not everyone sounds the same.


There are several theories for the i in cibaeño spanish. One includes a canary islander origin, which I believe to be the case since the isleño community in Louisiana, who themselves speak an archaic version of canary islander speach, displays this same device. Nazario noted that Puerto Rican jibaros in the early 19th century also spoke with th i but it has since dissapeared from their Spanish. Most jibaros were also of Canary Islander origin to some extent. The panocho dialect of Murcia dispalys this trait as well, giving weight an Iberian origin and the canary islander hypothesis since most of the Iberians that settled in the canaries were from the southern part of the Iberian peninsula. Some hypothesize a taino substratum influence, given weight by the i in the cibao and among the early jibaros of Puerto Rico , both places where taino influence was strong in both blood and culture, but that wouldn't tie up neatly into the other evidence that's hand that I've already mentioned. Some have also figured it is of African origin but it's unlikely as the i does not appear in other parts of Spanish America where the African is well represented.
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#413 - Posted 2 July 2009, 3:27 PM
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Here is a picture of someone from the Eastern cibao who shows some Taino Traits in his phenotype, he looks maybe straight Grifo/Zambo, his looks are also common in the Cibao region, from experienec and obviously because he was chosen as the representative of the book titled "Los Campesinos Del Cibao"

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Here is a picture of someone from the Eastern cibao who shows some Taino Traits in his phenotype, he looks maybe straight Grifo/Zambo, his looks are also common in the Cibao region, from experienec and obviously because he was chosen as the representative of the book titled "Los Campesinos Del Cibao"





That's definitely a zambo.
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Te ha dado cuenta que los del Este por mayoría demuestran característicos Asiáticos? Seria indicador indígena?
Edited on 7/2/2009 3:33 PM by DonCalembo.
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Here is a picture of someone from the Eastern cibao who shows some Taino Traits in his phenotype, he looks maybe straight Grifo/Zambo, his looks are also common in the Cibao region, from experienec and obviously because he was chosen as the representative of the book titled "Los Campesinos Del Cibao"





That's definitely a zambo.

Actually, that looks like a 1/4 Indian 3/4 Negro
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#417 - Posted 2 July 2009, 3:40 PM
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Calembo, si lo razgo indigena etan por todo el pai. Pero tambien ai que tener cuidao porke ai vece que parecen indegena, y puede ser que no tenga, alguna combinacione de Africano y Europeo forman polmulo alto con piernas cortas, etc, pero creo que si la majoria que tengan esos rasgos tienen alguna sangre indegena, cuanta no te se deci, pero e lo ma probable que si. E vito alguno ejemplo de Cabo Verde, de alguna persona que parecen African, Europe y indegena, pero obiamente no lo son, asi que abece lo ojos no traicionan.
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Here is a picture of someone from the Eastern cibao who shows some Taino Traits in his phenotype, he looks maybe straight Grifo/Zambo, his looks are also common in the Cibao region, from experienec and obviously because he was chosen as the representative of the book titled "Los Campesinos Del Cibao"



Based on my personal experience, the most common 'look' in that area is more tri-racial than Zambo.
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Calembo, si lo razgo indigena etan por todo el pai. Pero tambien ai que tener cuidao porke ai vece que parecen indegena, y puede ser que no tenga, alguna combinacione de Africano y Europeo forman polmulo alto con piernas cortas, etc, pero creo que si la majoria que tengan esos rasgos tienen alguna sangre indegena, cuanta no te se deci, pero e lo ma probable que si. E vito alguno ejemplo de Cabo Verde, de alguna persona que parecen African, Europe y indegena, pero obiamente no lo son, asi que abece lo ojos no traicionan.

Las mezclas algunas veces producen gente que parecen Indios de india, Arabes, etc. tambien.
La Dominicana Celines Toribio parece India (Asiatica)
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#420 - Posted 2 July 2009, 3:46 PM
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USADR, yes, tri-racial is the dominant component, but in some parts of the cibao its tri-racial tirando pa Zambo, and in some parts tri-racial tirando pa blanco, and then u have cases of tri-racial tirando pa indigena. But in S.F.M his looks are not uncommon, i am a tri-racial tirando pa Zambo myself, but not as Zambo as him, because i have more spanish ancestry then him.
Edited on 7/2/2009 3:47 PM by Lemba.
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