| #441 - Posted 2 July 2009, 8:14 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 923 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: Baracutei previously said: Quote: Lemba previously said: Sorry i dindt phrase that right, i meant there is a Dominican Folk-lore book wtih hundreds of stories from different towns, and some of the Higuey/Hayo Mayor stories are written with many I's, it could be some cibaenyo immigration, but it'd have to be somewhat farback. The book is called "Folk-lore de la Republica Dominicana" by Manuel de Jesus Andrade. He wrote passed down oral stories in the accents and speech styles of the people telling it to make it as accurate as possible. And He has La Vega, Santiago, Higuey, Santo Domingo, San Juan, and some other places, but it did intrigue me that quite a few Cotuisenyos and Hato Mayorenyos had i's in their passed down stories, in many places there is a cross-road of accents, in the east case some looekd to be a blend of cibaenyo and eastern speech, like I's and in some places, and L's inother places, very interesting. The Cibao itself represent many characteristics some of which have been lost with time, such as the use of subtituting the H for a J, Jombre, jijo, Jembra, etc. Also in all regions in D.R there is a MYRIAD of Taino words thrown about on a daily basis, as well as African words. My other grandmother (not the one who caught curios), displays alot of African words in her speech, along with many Taino ones, i have been writing down whatever i hear her say that sounds non spanish and verifying the African or indegenous meaning of the word. Words like "AhBanBan" (Dumbass) " - Probably of African origin, like the Bambara "Saperoko" (A mess of some kind) - African from the Zape/Sape ethnic group which was common in D.R "Jaiba" (Taino for land turtle) "Kin" (To do something and like doing itit, like saying "Con Gusto" Cutuco (Could be of African or Indegenous origin, it means Children) Saludos Lemba glad to meet you. Just wanted to add that the word Jaiba is Taino for land crab. Hicotea is the taino word for fresh water turtle, Carey for sea turtle and catua is land turtle. The curious speech in the cibao with the Long 'i' has historically been given many origens. I think however I may be a little biased when I say that it appears to me of Taino origen, Foir example in the Taino language as well as Garifuna which is also an arawakan language the "i" larga appears at least once in every five words. Many Taino words end with an "i" larga for example Higuey (region in the DR) Turey (sky) Maguey (aloe) Adamanei (saona island) Camaguey (region in Cuba) Ciboney (a people) Yarei (Palm) Surey (cotton) Baracutei (baracuda or solitary animal) The list goes on and on. We have 3200 words of Taino extraction throughout the Caribbean. In places where there is more Taino linguistic influence you find this "i" larga Tambien. For example it is found in Lares, PUerto Rico and the Camaguey region of Cuba. L's on the other hand are very African indeed. You find this speech pattern and cadences mostly in the South. Thats not to say that we dont have other African lingustic influences of course. BTW most Taino mtdna in the DR was found in the cibao, where certain populattions were as high as 90 percent. The Azua region was second highest and Maguana 3rd. All the best Baracutei Science is backing up what I plainly saw with my eyes. Campos around San Juan and Las Matas de Farfan are full of people who display Amerinidan influenced phenotype. |
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| #442 - Posted 2 July 2009, 8:46 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: July 2009 Member #: 3051 Posts: 100 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: USADR previously said: Quote: Baracutei previously said: Quote: Lemba previously said: Sorry i dindt phrase that right, i meant there is a Dominican Folk-lore book wtih hundreds of stories from different towns, and some of the Higuey/Hayo Mayor stories are written with many I's, it could be some cibaenyo immigration, but it'd have to be somewhat farback. The book is called "Folk-lore de la Republica Dominicana" by Manuel de Jesus Andrade. He wrote passed down oral stories in the accents and speech styles of the people telling it to make it as accurate as possible. And He has La Vega, Santiago, Higuey, Santo Domingo, San Juan, and some other places, but it did intrigue me that quite a few Cotuisenyos and Hato Mayorenyos had i's in their passed down stories, in many places there is a cross-road of accents, in the east case some looekd to be a blend of cibaenyo and eastern speech, like I's and in some places, and L's inother places, very interesting. The Cibao itself represent many characteristics some of which have been lost with time, such as the use of subtituting the H for a J, Jombre, jijo, Jembra, etc. Also in all regions in D.R there is a MYRIAD of Taino words thrown about on a daily basis, as well as African words. My other grandmother (not the one who caught curios), displays alot of African words in her speech, along with many Taino ones, i have been writing down whatever i hear her say that sounds non spanish and verifying the African or indegenous meaning of the word. Words like "AhBanBan" (Dumbass) " - Probably of African origin, like the Bambara "Saperoko" (A mess of some kind) - African from the Zape/Sape ethnic group which was common in D.R "Jaiba" (Taino for land turtle) "Kin" (To do something and like doing itit, like saying "Con Gusto" Cutuco (Could be of African or Indegenous origin, it means Children) Saludos Lemba glad to meet you. Just wanted to add that the word Jaiba is Taino for land crab. Hicotea is the taino word for fresh water turtle, Carey for sea turtle and catua is land turtle. The curious speech in the cibao with the Long 'i' has historically been given many origens. I think however I may be a little biased when I say that it appears to me of Taino origen, Foir example in the Taino language as well as Garifuna which is also an arawakan language the "i" larga appears at least once in every five words. Many Taino words end with an "i" larga for example Higuey (region in the DR) Turey (sky) Maguey (aloe) Adamanei (saona island) Camaguey (region in Cuba) Ciboney (a people) Yarei (Palm) Surey (cotton) Baracutei (baracuda or solitary animal) The list goes on and on. We have 3200 words of Taino extraction throughout the Caribbean. In places where there is more Taino linguistic influence you find this "i" larga Tambien. For example it is found in Lares, PUerto Rico and the Camaguey region of Cuba. L's on the other hand are very African indeed. You find this speech pattern and cadences mostly in the South. Thats not to say that we dont have other African lingustic influences of course. BTW most Taino mtdna in the DR was found in the cibao, where certain populattions were as high as 90 percent. The Azua region was second highest and Maguana 3rd. All the best Baracutei Science is backing up what I plainly saw with my eyes. Campos around San Juan and Las Matas de Farfan are full of people who display Amerinidan influenced phenotype. THATS NICE TO KNOW, I THINK I WILL VISIT THIS AREA THIS WEEKEND TO FIND OUT FOR MY SELF. |
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| #443 - Posted 2 July 2009, 9:01 PM | |
Location: United States, new england mass. Join date: March 2009 Member #: 2358 Posts: 28 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans lautaro: Who's the girl on the pic, If I may ask? Edited on 7/2/2009 9:16 PM by delgadoMASS. |
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| #444 - Posted 2 July 2009, 9:34 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1388 Posts: 14 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Baracutei, i missed that one, i do know jaiba is land crab. Its a common nickname i grew up hearing as well. Dont know if u remember me but i'm SuperConejo from Dr1. Good to see you. |
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| #445 - Posted 3 July 2009, 2:50 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 1922 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans People from the town of San José de las Matas and Cibao region ![]() People from the town of San José de las Matas and Cibao region The fate of Los Haitises What you can do Tell the Dominican Embassy in the U.S. that you oppose the government concession to build the cement factory. Telephone 202-332-6280, fax 202-265-8057, or e-mail embassy@us.serex.gov.do |
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| #446 - Posted 3 July 2009, 2:50 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 1922 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans People from the town of San José de las Matas and Cibao region ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() New Study Confirms Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Dominican Republic (UCTP Taino News) - According to a new DNA study conducted in the Dominican Republic a large segment of the country’s population retains indigenous Taino ancestry through their mother’s bloodline. The study, conducted by the University of Puerto Rico, reveals that approximately 15-18% of Dominicans have Native American Mitochondrial DNA out of a population of nearly 10,000,000. The research is based on 1200 DNA samples taken throughout the island with some test areas revealing 90% of the subjects with Native ancestry. While the percentages are lower than similar studies conducted on the neighboring island of Puerto Rico, the estimates defy “popular” accounts that the Indigenous Peoples were completely exterminated on that island. “This study is a confirmation of what we have already known and promoted for years” stated Roberto Borrero, a representative of the United Confederation of Taino People. “Our people continue to exist within the multi-cultural mosaic that is the Caribbean despite the genocidal campaigns that began against us 516 years ago with the arrival of Columbus.” One interesting aspect of the study is that individuals tested in the Cibao region seem to have a different DNA sequence than those tested in the southern part of the island. While both sequences are indigenous the variants could shed some light on ancient migrations. The study also reveals that the Taino descendants from the Cibao area could have been relatively “un-mixed racially” until more recent times. Edited on 7/3/2009 3:09 PM by yumnuk3. The fate of Los Haitises What you can do Tell the Dominican Embassy in the U.S. that you oppose the government concession to build the cement factory. Telephone 202-332-6280, fax 202-265-8057, or e-mail embassy@us.serex.gov.do |
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| #447 - Posted 3 July 2009, 3:18 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 1922 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans ![]() DNA Your Ultimate Truth The fate of Los Haitises What you can do Tell the Dominican Embassy in the U.S. that you oppose the government concession to build the cement factory. Telephone 202-332-6280, fax 202-265-8057, or e-mail embassy@us.serex.gov.do |
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| #448 - Posted 3 July 2009, 11:03 PM | |
Location: United States, new england mass. Join date: March 2009 Member #: 2358 Posts: 28 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans dude some of the lady you posted don't look like native american. some of them look like north africans. i should know, ive seen native american looking people, were i live. most of them from central america country like guatemala etc... but whatever... i don't care about indians. |
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| #449 - Posted 3 July 2009, 11:34 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 1922 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Today there are no full-blooded Taínos Throughout the Caribbean. Everyone that has Native American heritage in the Caribbean is mixed rather than full-blooded. Were you expecting to see you full-blooded Native Americans? By the way, All the photos I posted are from a Dominican website. Edited on 7/3/2009 11:54 PM by yumnuk3. The fate of Los Haitises What you can do Tell the Dominican Embassy in the U.S. that you oppose the government concession to build the cement factory. Telephone 202-332-6280, fax 202-265-8057, or e-mail embassy@us.serex.gov.do |
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| #450 - Posted 4 July 2009, 10:37 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1388 Posts: 14 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Everyone in D.R has some taino ancestry, it concentrates certain towns in the South and in the Cibao, so to say that is incorrect, Azua and San Juan de la maguana have alot of indegenous ancestry and just as much if not more indegenous material culture then the cibao. There is really no stereotype for any region. When a dominican says "Indio" he is not refering to Taino or indegenous, it simply means brown. For example, a very indegenous looking person in d.r would get called Achinao "Chinese like", or Chino. You might hear this "ese tipo el indio achinao" in other words the brown person wtih indegenous/asiatic features. Indio is actually also synonimous with moreno, the difference is that Indio has more color ranges, u can be an indio claro or indio oscuro but moreno doesnt have that flexibility, moreno is usually the further end of the brown spectrum. Ask the next Dominican who says Indio if he's a Taino and he might say something stupid like, "No, esa gente eran alreve y salvaje" cause i've heard it. Edited on 7/4/2009 10:38 AM by Lemba. |
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