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#481 - Posted 9 July 2009, 3:07 PM
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Number 3 is the one who looks more dominican, in my humble opinion.
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#482 - Posted 9 July 2009, 3:12 PM
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I have not been able to come on for a few days, but as promised more pictures. This is rather a silly game I play sometimes where I ask people to "find the Dominican". Since many assume that there truly is a general look to all dominicans to learn other wise seems to provoke people to think deeper about the heritages of our island.
In this picture there are four people. Some all look Native, but which one is actually Dominican?
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4: I'll Pick
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#483 - Posted 9 July 2009, 3:47 PM
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All very good guesses! All four of these people tested positive for Native American ancestry. All four are Dominican.
#1 is a woman from La linea, Santiago Rodriguez
# 2 is from Janico
#3 is from Cacique, Moncion
#4 is from a place called Yagrumo in Puerto Plata

Lets try this one more time.

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#484 - Posted 9 July 2009, 5:01 PM
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I have not been able to come on for a few days, but as promised more pictures. This is rather a silly game I play sometimes where I ask people to "find the Dominican". Since many assume that there truly is a general look to all dominicans to learn other wise seems to provoke people to think deeper about the heritages of our island.
In this picture there are four people. Some all look Native, but which one is actually Dominican?
All the best
Baracutei


You stated that semitic DNA was found among the Dominican population. Can you elaborate? Was there any Berber related DNA?


That's the source I've been waiting on...

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Baracutei, I was wondering if you know anything about the spaniards that most mulatto/white dominicans are descended from? I have noticed that alot of the light skinned/white dominicans I see have a more distinct arab/jewish look than their Puerto Rican/Cuban counterparts.


Hello Boricua,
I mean to post more pics but Im garage cleaning at the moment!

Okay regarding your question. You are correct.
In the mtDNA tests that have been conducted some incredible findings have emerged. Let me list justa few.

(1) The majoriity of the mtdna is of African extraction (not surprising) however many people tested were actually Haitians. None-the-less they need to be counted.

(2) 18-24 percent were of Indigenous Taino extraction. But the Taino of the southern part of the island were of a different haplogroup that appears to be older than those found in the Cibao.

(3) most the the "white" mitochondria extracted was of Arabic/Semitic origen! this is an incredible find


(4) aside from the Taino which is what I was rooting for (for obvious reasons) I think the most exciting find is that of an African halpogroup that is not found anywhere aside of Africa to date and yet it is in large quantities in the DR! This is incredible if you ask me.

Back ot work for me!

Baracutei



I'm sorry I meant to ask this when this was posted and these findings have been on my mind no joke since you posted it but can you provide sources of where you found this information. All of it would be nice, but I'm extremely interested in the highlighted portion as I've always wondered why I looked like a Mizrahim or Sephardim.



On a funny side story, I was at work today and 3 people from possibly the Levant area came in. My co-workers know that if there's ever a Dominican who comes in I tend to jump on the chance to shoot the shit about what part they're from. After I was done talking to these 3 "Levantines" (probably Muslim religiously) my co-workers asked what part of R.D. they're from. Puzzled I asked what they meant to which they replied "you look like you could have been related"!

That one was a shocker, I'm used to people being surprised I'm Dominican.
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In my opinion, out of the four individuals in the photos above, #1, #3, and #4 all look Dominican to me. The person in #2 looks to be from Mexico, Central, or South America.



#1 has a STRONG resemblance to my paternal grandmother.


Same here. Actually almost a blend of both my grandmothers.
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All very good guesses! All four of these people tested positive for Native American ancestry. All four are Dominican.
#1 is a woman from La linea, Santiago Rodriguez
# 2 is from Janico
#3 is from Cacique, Moncion
#4 is from a place called Yagrumo in Puerto Plata

Lets try this one more time.



I am going to guess they're all Dominican.
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All very good guesses! All four of these people tested positive for Native American ancestry. All four are Dominican.
#1 is a woman from La linea, Santiago Rodriguez
# 2 is from Janico
#3 is from Cacique, Moncion
#4 is from a place called Yagrumo in Puerto Plata

Lets try this one more time.



I am going to guess they're all Dominican.


#1 is a Lumbee Indian from North Carolina
#2 A Wampanoag Indian from Cape Cod
#3 A Naragansett from Rhode Island
#4 Shinnecock Indian from Long Island, NY

And in my opinion yes all Dominican (looking) if you look at them racially!They are all of mixed African and Indian heritage. The big difference is that they are able to self-identify with their respective cultures unlike us where "outsiders" have always told us what we are, orwhat we should be called etc.
For example, on Ocober 11, 1492, there were no Indians in the New World, because Native people didnt call themselves this. The next day Columbus discovers an area that was not lost and suddenly we became Indian. From then on we have been called a lot of things (this is my opinion). What I find interesting in this thread or others like it is that presenting evidence whether historical, genetic or biological of Taino survival and continuity is somehow seen as either anti-African or anti-spanish. We as a Dominican people have 3 heritages. Some identify with all three. Other with African, Indian or Spanish. I argue that we can do this because we are indeed tripartite and tri-racial.
I will never tell someone "we Domicans are Taino". Identity is a private issue. But I will assert what should be obvious which is that the Taino never disappeared or became extinct. Our ancestors not only survived, but are an integral part of who Domincans are today. Perhaps by seeing who we were, we can get a true picture of who we are as we strive forward into the future.
All the best
Baracutei

PS regarding the post on Domican semitic ancestry: Yes most of the "white" mtdna that has thus far been found in the DR is from middle eastern peoples and not Spanish proper. The last DNA study is not yet complete. I will surely post this once I know. I too cannot wait for these results.
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All very good guesses! All four of these people tested positive for Native American ancestry. All four are Dominican.
#1 is a woman from La linea, Santiago Rodriguez
# 2 is from Janico
#3 is from Cacique, Moncion
#4 is from a place called Yagrumo in Puerto Plata

Lets try this one more time.



I am going to guess they're all Dominican.


#1 is a Lumbee Indian from North Carolina
#2 A Wampanoag Indian from Cape Cod
#3 A Naragansett from Rhode Island
#4 Shinnecock Indian from Long Island, NY

And in my opinion yes all Dominican (looking) if you look at them racially!They are all of mixed African and Indian heritage. The big difference is that they are able to self-identify with their respective cultures unlike us where "outsiders" have always told us what we are, orwhat we should be called etc.
For example, on Ocober 11, 1492, there were no Indians in the New World, because Native people didnt call themselves this. The next day Columbus discovers an area that was not lost and suddenly we became Indian. From then on we have been called a lot of things (this is my opinion). What I find interesting in this thread or others like it is that presenting evidence whether historical, genetic or biological of Taino survival and continuity is somehow seen as either anti-African or anti-spanish. We as a Dominican people have 3 heritages. Some identify with all three. Other with African, Indian or Spanish. I argue that we can do this because we are indeed tripartite and tri-racial.
I will never tell someone "we Domicans are Taino". Identity is a private issue. But I will assert what should be obvious which is that the Taino never disappeared or became extinct. Our ancestors not only survived, but are an integral part of who Domincans are today. Perhaps by seeing who we were, we can get a true picture of who we are as we strive forward into the future.
All the best
Baracutei

PS regarding the post on Domican semitic ancestry: Yes most of the "white" mtdna that has thus far been found in the DR is from middle eastern peoples and not Spanish proper. The last DNA study is not yet complete. I will surely post this once I know. I too cannot wait for these results.



This is where I have difficulty in discerning and validating Dominican ancestral background without relevant DNA. When I look at all four pictures I can say that I have maternal family members (perhaps the same age range) closely resembling all four specifically #1 & 4. But to my understanding my maternal lineage is Arabic or middle eastern.
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#490 - Posted 13 July 2009, 1:12 PM
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Ladronaso,
I understand where you are coming from in regards to Midlde Eastern peoples and how closely they resemble many Dominicans. But please take this into consideration:
Many Arab people or people of Middle eastern descent, peoples from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, etc etc have strong mongolion bloodlines. The Mongols conquered these regions and intermarried in great numbers with these peoples. Arabs are semitic and thus Caucasian. In addition many Arabs are mixed with African peoples. Add the ASian to the mix and basically you have the same racial component that we have in the DR -Indian, European and African. So its pretty easy to see how many Domicans can look like Middle Easterners.
That said, many DR's are in fact of Middle Easternt descent period!
All the best
Baracutei
Edited on 7/13/2009 1:13 PM by Baracutei.
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