| #491 - Posted 9 July 2009, 10:35 PM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 3638 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans . Edited on 7/14/2009 2:23 PM by cibaeño75. 'The past is never dead. In fact, it's not even past.' - William Faulkner |
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| #492 - Posted 11 July 2009, 10:35 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: May 2008 Member #: 783 Posts: 1099 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: Baracutei previously said: Quote: Ruffryder previously said: Quote: Baracutei previously said: All very good guesses! All four of these people tested positive for Native American ancestry. All four are Dominican. #1 is a woman from La linea, Santiago Rodriguez # 2 is from Janico #3 is from Cacique, Moncion #4 is from a place called Yagrumo in Puerto Plata Lets try this one more time. ![]() I am going to guess they're all Dominican. #1 is a Lumbee Indian from North Carolina #2 A Wampanoag Indian from Cape Cod #3 A Naragansett from Rhode Island #4 Shinnecock Indian from Long Island, NY And in my opinion yes all Dominican (looking) if you look at them racially!They are all of mixed African and Indian heritage. The big difference is that they are able to self-identify with their respective cultures unlike us where "outsiders" have always told us what we are, orwhat we should be called etc. For example, on Ocober 11, 1492, there were no Indians in the New World, because Native people didnt call themselves this. The next day Columbus discovers an area that was not lost and suddenly we became Indian. From then on we have been called a lot of things (this is my opinion). What I find interesting in this thread or others like it is that presenting evidence whether historical, genetic or biological of Taino survival and continuity is somehow seen as either anti-African or anti-spanish. We as a Dominican people have 3 heritages. Some identify with all three. Other with African, Indian or Spanish. I argue that we can do this because we are indeed tripartite and tri-racial. I will never tell someone "we Domicans are Taino". Identity is a private issue. But I will assert what should be obvious which is that the Taino never disappeared or became extinct. Our ancestors not only survived, but are an integral part of who Domincans are today. Perhaps by seeing who we were, we can get a true picture of who we are as we strive forward into the future. All the best Baracutei PS regarding the post on Domican semitic ancestry: Yes most of the "white" mtdna that has thus far been found in the DR is from middle eastern peoples and not Spanish proper. The last DNA study is not yet complete. I will surely post this once I know. I too cannot wait for these results. This is where I have difficulty in discerning and validating Dominican ancestral background without relevant DNA. When I look at all four pictures I can say that I have maternal family members (perhaps the same age range) closely resembling all four specifically #1 & 4. But to my understanding my maternal lineage is Arabic or middle eastern. So, you don't like what's happening in DR.... |
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| #493 - Posted 13 July 2009, 1:12 PM | |
Location: United States, New York/CT Join date: January 2009 Member #: 1982 Posts: 62 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Ladronaso, I understand where you are coming from in regards to Midlde Eastern peoples and how closely they resemble many Dominicans. But please take this into consideration: Many Arab people or people of Middle eastern descent, peoples from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Uzbekistan, etc etc have strong mongolion bloodlines. The Mongols conquered these regions and intermarried in great numbers with these peoples. Arabs are semitic and thus Caucasian. In addition many Arabs are mixed with African peoples. Add the ASian to the mix and basically you have the same racial component that we have in the DR -Indian, European and African. So its pretty easy to see how many Domicans can look like Middle Easterners. That said, many DR's are in fact of Middle Easternt descent period! All the best Baracutei Edited on 7/13/2009 1:13 PM by Baracutei. |
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| #494 - Posted 16 July 2009, 7:04 AM | |
Location: Canada, Northern Ontario Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2122 Posts: 74 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Well, I've read a lot of these posts. I have a suggestion: Let's all call ourselves Earthlings & be done with it! For all the nit-pickers, I am a neat mixture of: Cree Indian Scotch Irish Ukranian Polish. So, that makes me an Earthling. WORKS FOR ME! Have fun. |
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| #495 - Posted 16 July 2009, 7:16 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2009 Member #: 2380 Posts: 1196 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: Tommy previously said: Well, I've read a lot of these posts. I have a suggestion: Let's all call ourselves Earthlings & be done with it! For all the nit-pickers, I am a neat mixture of: Cree Indian Scotch Irish Ukranian Polish. So, that makes me an Earthling. WORKS FOR ME! Have fun. amen to that! |
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| #496 - Posted 16 July 2009, 12:42 PM | |
Location: United States, New York/CT Join date: January 2009 Member #: 1982 Posts: 62 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: mirabal4ever previously said: Quote: Tommy previously said: Well, I've read a lot of these posts. I have a suggestion: Let's all call ourselves Earthlings & be done with it! For all the nit-pickers, I am a neat mixture of: Cree Indian Scotch Irish Ukranian Polish. So, that makes me an Earthling. WORKS FOR ME! Have fun. amen to that! If only Identity issues were so simple! Unfortunately they are not. All the best baracutei |
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| #497 - Posted 16 July 2009, 3:41 PM | |
Location: Canada, Northern Ontario Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2122 Posts: 74 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Your personal identity is as simple as YOU want it to be. Everyone else that has a problem with it, that's THIER problem, not yours. Yours in unity, Tommy. |
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| #498 - Posted 16 July 2009, 4:49 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Parque Colon statue of Anacaona Join date: April 2009 Member #: 2573 Posts: 3334 | Quote: Tommy previously said: Your personal identity is as simple as YOU want it to be. Everyone else that has a problem with it, that's THIER problem, not yours. Yours in unity, Tommy. Tommy as a fellow Canadian I find your attitude admirable and recall many of your previous posts always have a very positive spin I also remember you talking about your Cree origins ....That always made me feel a tinge of guilt for the way your people have been treated by Canada... I know you look forward to your trips to the DR and if you move here to retire I know you will be an asset to this country with your very positive attitude My daughter Yaina aka ". Chucky la Nina Diabolica " |
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| #499 - Posted 16 July 2009, 5:28 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, America Join date: June 2009 Member #: 2891 Posts: 830 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: Tommy previously said: Your personal identity is as simple as YOU want it to be. Everyone else that has a problem with it, that's THIER problem, not yours. Yours in unity, Tommy. Tommy correct sentiments, and not far from what Baracutei and others here have said regarding identity and identification. unfortunately when one chooses to discuss this private matter on a public forum, one draws the attention of individuals with problems who haven't grown up to the point where they realize this. THEIR problem becomes your problem insofar as you answer their public challenges and insults. and also although you have an admirable and diverse list of heritages there I notice it lacks any African ... believe it or not when this ancestry happens to be on your list things suddenly become 'complex' for a whole ton of people. sad but true. |
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| #500 - Posted 16 July 2009, 5:40 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 923 | RE: Taino Ancestry Among Dominicans Quote: HateroPardo previously said: Quote: Tommy previously said: Your personal identity is as simple as YOU want it to be. Everyone else that has a problem with it, that's THIER problem, not yours. Yours in unity, Tommy. Tommy correct sentiments, and not far from what Baracutei and others here have said regarding identity and identification. unfortunately when one chooses to discuss this private matter on a public forum, one draws the attention of individuals with problems who haven't grown up to the point where they realize this. THEIR problem becomes your problem insofar as you answer their public challenges and insults. and also although you have an admirable and diverse list of heritages there I notice it lacks any African ... believe it or not when this ancestry happens to be on your list things suddenly become 'complex' for a whole ton of people. sad but true. |
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