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#501 - Posted 16 July 2009, 6:32 PM
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I am on vacation for the next two weeks. Can't wait to get out of work in exactly one hour!
I hope to join in these discussions when I return. There is one question that I have been meaning to ask.................WHAT IS A TROLL? Other than the gnome like creatures, what does it mean?
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#502 - Posted 16 July 2009, 6:38 PM
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I am on vacation for the next two weeks. Can't wait to get out of work in exactly one hour!
I hope to join in these discussions when I return. There is one question that I have been meaning to ask.................WHAT IS A TROLL? Other than the gnome like creatures, what does it mean?
All the best!
Baracutei


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#503 - Posted 16 July 2009, 6:47 PM
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AHHHHHHHHH I see. Dang Then these forums are crawling with them eh? LOL
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#504 - Posted 16 July 2009, 10:07 PM
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Baracutei, has Taino mtdna research been attempted or carried out in other islands in the Antilles? I know the inhabitants of the Spanish Antilles have had Taino research but what about the countries of largely Afro descent such as Haiti, Jamaica? We all know that these islands (especially Haiti) have had a markedly significant history of Taino presence. I just find it quite possible that although the populations of these countries are largely of African descent and may not show it phenotypically, that Taino admixture might still exist in the blood of people who don't know they have it. Especially with the tricky unpredictable nature of genetics. Unless it can be said that the Taino died out completely before the arrival of the African slaves (hence, the maroons). Isn't there bound to be some sort of trace left?
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#505 - Posted 17 July 2009, 7:49 AM
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Baracutei, has Taino mtdna research been attempted or carried out in other islands in the Antilles? I know the inhabitants of the Spanish Antilles have had Taino research but what about the countries of largely Afro descent such as Haiti, Jamaica? We all know that these islands (especially Haiti) have had a markedly significant history of Taino presence. I just find it quite possible that although the populations of these countries are largely of African descent and may not show it phenotypically, that Taino admixture might still exist in the blood of people who don't know they have it. Especially with the tricky unpredictable nature of genetics. Unless it can be said that the Taino died out completely before the arrival of the African slaves (hence, the maroons). Isn't there bound to be some sort of trace left?

I reeeeeeaaaaally doubt that. When Haiti emerged, it was a Black supremacist nation. Before declaring their independence circa 1800, they had eliminated anything that wasn't Black and moved and denied all rights to non-Blacks. Phenotypically, I have never ever seen a Haitian who is even mulatto, except a reporter in TV. I can assure you that there were absolutely no people who weren't pure Black. I don't even think that the French had mixed with the Indians. I am sure that a mtDNA study in Haiti will show 0.0% or 0.00000001% at most. Jamaica may have more than Haiti, but still almost nothing.
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#506 - Posted 17 July 2009, 10:00 AM
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Thank you!
Yes, I do look forward to my visits!
I will be there again on Monday.
Our Canadian gov't is still at it.
We should be like New Zealand.
The Aboriginal People there form the Gov't.
I hope to spend most of the winter in the DR starting this year!
Tommy.
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#507 - Posted 17 July 2009, 10:05 AM
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According to the latest DNA & stuff, we ALL STARTED IN AFRICA.
There you have it.
Now, as I said before, much ado about nothing.
We are ALL Earthlings.
Just some peoples brains are a little slow to evolve.
For those individuals:
Grow up & evolve.
Remove everyones skin & we're all the same!
Tommy.
Have fun, life on this planet is too short.
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#508 - Posted 17 July 2009, 10:09 AM
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and also although you have an admirable and diverse list of heritages there I notice it lacks any African ... believe it or not when this ancestry happens to be on your list things suddenly become 'complex' for a whole ton of people. sad but true.. ...................................Hatero are you saying that the indigenous peoples of Canada ie Cree indians do not know discrimination and segregation if that is the case you are unfamiliar with their history....... please explain your statement


Dobbs my meaning has nothing to do with victimology, your specialty. you are reaching too hard.

the statement speaks for itself, and everything that has gone on page after page in this thread confirms it. although Cree is just one in a long list you have no problem 'feeling guilt' or whatever about Tommy's indigenous heritage, and don;t challenge it. unfortunately it is the case that when one's list includes African alongside indigenous or European roots, the amateur geneticists come out of the woodwork to draw their borders and challenge. I don't think I have seen you be in this group, but take a look at the pages and pages of trolling in this thread and you will see what I mean clearly.
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#509 - Posted 17 July 2009, 10:33 AM
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and also although you have an admirable and diverse list of heritages there I notice it lacks any African ... believe it or not when this ancestry happens to be on your list things suddenly become 'complex' for a whole ton of people. sad but true.. ...................................Hatero are you saying that the indigenous peoples of Canada ie Cree indians do not know discrimination and segregation if that is the case you are unfamiliar with their history....... please explain your statement


Dobbs my meaning has nothing to do with victimology, your specialty. you are reaching too hard.

the statement speaks for itself, and everything that has gone on page after page in this thread confirms it. although Cree is just one in a long list you have no problem 'feeling guilt' or whatever about Tommy's indigenous heritage, and don;t challenge it. unfortunately it is the case that when one's list includes African alongside indigenous or European roots, the amateur geneticists come out of the woodwork to draw their borders and challenge. I don't think I have seen you be in this group, but take a look at the pages and pages of trolling in this thread and you will see what I mean clearly.

that is because you are Afrocentric If I am not mistaken Tommy grew up on a reservation in Northern Ontario a subject you know absolutely nothing about or you would not have made such a dumbass statement about the indigenous peoples of North America but never mind continue whining and complaining Tommy on the other hand will think positive and get on with his life
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#510 - Posted 17 July 2009, 10:44 AM
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that is because you are Afrocentric If I am not mistaken Tommy grew up on a reservation in Northern Ontario a subject you know absolutely nothing about or you would not have made such a dumbass statement about the indigenous peoples of North America but never mind continue whining and complaining Tommy on the other hand will think positive and get on with his life


me Afrocentric ? I guess you are in the border pa-Troll committee. it hardly matters but I could tell everyone I meet I am NA indigenous and they would believe it. many assume it.

and by the way you entirely miss the point. that happens when you jump in a thread 500 posts deep, with your usual tired assumptions. I have not even made a single statement about NA indigenous folk you sad old man, put your reading glasses on! I have even agreed with Tommy but you crave attention so bad you are lashing out at ... what?! who knows, but it is clearly disconnected form the subject of the thread.

I'm not whining or even being negative. my life is going very well thank you, stop assuming. there is a topic being discussed here: indigenous history and identity. there are numerous examples in the thread of what I discussed. squint a bit harder and if you don't understand my words buzz off before you look any sadder.
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