'When the myth becomes legend, the legend becomes fact".

Not sure if I got the quote right.

'When the myth becomes legend, the legend becomes fact".

Indeed.

It the history that we have come to know and love- of course it's incorrect. Columbus may also have been a mercenary who fought against Isabelle and Ferdinand before settling down to be a sailor- this may also explain his cruelty at sea.

Now you are bashing Mercenarys?

Fact is Columbus's discovery of the New World probably saved more lives and freed more people in the long run than any single act in history.

that's got to be The saddest, stupidest post I've ever read.

I agree but everytime you post something you tend to top your previous stupidity.

Yumnuk3, Said
Whomever wants to research the truth in history, look up the commentary of Bartolome de las Casas. Columbus's adventures were no innocent discovery. His actions are the same as the other colonizing powers. Read your history folks!!


Quotes by Bartolomé de Las Casas On torture



With my own eyes I saw Spaniards cut off the nose and ears of Indians, male and female, without provocation, merely because it pleased them to do it. ...Likewise, I saw how they summoned the caciques and the chief rulers to come, assuring them safety, and when they peacefully came, they were taken captive and burned.
They laid bets as to who, with one stroke of the sword, could split a man in two or could cut off his head or spill out his entrails with a single stroke of the pike.
They took infants from their mothers' breasts, snatching them by the legs and pitching them headfirst against the crags or snatched them by the arms and threw them into the rivers, roaring with laughter and saying as the babies fell into the water, "Boil there, you offspring of the devil!
They attacked the towns and spared neither the children nor the aged nor pregnant women nor women in childbed, not only stabbing them and dismembering them but cutting them to pieces as if dealing with sheep in the slaughter house.
They made some low wide gallows on which the hanged victim's feet almost touched the ground, stringing up their victims in lots of thirteen, in memory of Our Redeemer and His twelve Apostles, then set burning wood at their feet and thus burned them alive.
With still others, all those they wanted to capture alive, they cut off their hands and hung them round the victim's neck, saying, "Go now, carry the message," meaning, Take the news to the Indians who have fled to the mountains.
...they made a grid of rods which they placed on forked sticks, then lashed the victims to the grid and lighted a smoldering fire underneath, so that little by little, as those captives screamed in despair and torment, their souls would leave them.

Arkatype, Said Yes many terrible things happened when the spanish invaded and colonized the island, but haitians did as much harm when they invaded us several times and also occupied us for 22 years. Questions i got to ask, are the spanish invading us today with impoverished people? do we have Spain discrediting our country and accusing us of slave labor and xenophobic and racist attitudes towards them?. Do we have 2 million of their inhabitants illegaly in our country?, are they cutting trees for the production of charcoal? are they overwhelming the health services and all other essential systems, that belong rightfully to dominicans? no they're not! Our problem is Haiti not Spain.

ISn't it funny how a gut like yumnutz bashes the Churc for it's treatment of the indians and yet turns around and uses words written by the official representative of the Churc to support his claims?

Is that Hypocritical? Or just plain illogical?

"ISn't it funny how a gut like yumnutz bashes the Churc for it's treatment of the indians and yet turns around and uses words written by the official representative of the Churc to support his claims?

Is that Hypocritical? Or just plain illogical?"

Indeed every preist is in theory representative of the church but if we're going by your logic then should the church as a whole be judged or consider itself represented by the actions of some pedophile preist? I say no. We can judge the church as an institution without condemning or even negating everyone involved with it. Besides, the quotes attributed to Las Casas was a historical account and not a sermon. He was not opining on faith related issues, he was recounting what he supposedly had witnessed. Also, not every catholic preist tows the official Vatican line. Latin American history is replete with many preists who can be described as revolutionaries. You're the one that sounds illogical Mr. C.