#41 - Posted 12 December 2008, 2:18 PM
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"Ball is in your court sucker. You can't stop the inevitable. "

I see. Fine then. Why don't your people give up their flag and all symbols pertaining to the haitian nation in particular, learn spanish and then maybe we can speak of unification. The entire island could become an expanded Dominican Republic. How does that vision for unification strike you?


I accept but only if you promise to return the island to its original name: AYITI.


LOL That wasn't my proposal. So you would be willing to give up your language and your people's cultural patrimony for unification?


If it was up to me yes in a heart beat.
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#42 - Posted 12 December 2008, 2:25 PM
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"If it was up to me yes in a heart beat."

OK then. I have a feeling that the vast majority of haitians would not agree to such conditions but I commend your desire to be Dominican
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#43 - Posted 12 December 2008, 2:51 PM
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HAITI IS DEAD AND THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW IT
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Once upon a time everyone thought that the world was FLAT and to tell them otherwise would be nonsense. Some called Alexander a mad man when he tried to conquer the world, How did King Darius got the old world to coexist in peace? Pompeii's Rome and Julius's Rome was still Rome despite the vast majority it covers now we have a little tiny little island so small I alone can freaking sink the freaking thing to the middle of the ocean in one hour. Yeah the island is that small. Now what you are trying to tell me is that this tiny little island can't put their differences apart and reunite for the welfare of the human race for the betterment of its citizens is that what you are trying to tell me? If ancient Persia coexisted with Ancient Rome than our task is nothing at all my friends. Can't you see what this is all about? When its all said and done how do you want to be remembered "As the tyrant that stood in the middle of progress? As the selfish Dominican who only saw the interest of its own country so as long DR is doing well the hell with the rest of the world? Or do you want to be known as the men that stood for unity and the betterment of your fellow human beings. The Europeans are starting to get it that's why they created the EU although its not yet perfect but the idea is if the whole world is doing good then they will have to worry less. See what you don't understand is if Haiti fails so will DR If Haiti succeeds so will DR. Now I'll give you a preview of what is to come if we continue our little nonsense and don't come together. This is what will happen Haiti will become a protectorate of the USA and things will be good again for Haiti and then the good old USA will want to expand and it will use Haiti to swallow DR. Or vice versa regardless I don;t see a future for neither DR or Haiti if we don't get our shit together and work it out ourselves. You might see this as an old man talking but this old man has been around long enough to see what's coming. The question is how do you want this movie to end? because if will end like it or not? Like my friend Jesus Christ once said "If your brother ask you for a piece of bread would you throw him a stone?" I understand the complaints of the Dominicans Yes the Dominicans are poor as well and they can not support Haiti but think of it like this you don't have enough but at least you have. Haiti doesn't have at all. Sure you might say its our fault that we are in this mess and at some extend it is our fault but like a wise man once said " If the neighbors house next to yours was on fire wouldn't you do everything you can to put the fire out so it doesn't burn yours or do you stop and think that maybe your neighbor was not being careful maybe that's why his house is on fire, of course your first reaction wouldn't to judge your neighbor but to put the fire out first right so then why can't we work together to help Haiti put its fires out so that the fire doesn't burn DR totally because if we do nothing it will only get worse.

Arkatype, Said You must be out of you're mind!!!!! your such a foolish coward. How the hell have you gotten this far on this thread without somebody telling you that you got to face the music by yourselves. We don't have an obligation to give you anything, you and i are two different people. We dont share commonality except that we breathe and eat, something haitians cannot get right. You choose to live in denial of your miserable legacy, but the pickax has finally reached your necks and now you feel that we should somehow open our hearts, and feel sorry for your miserable condition no thanks! Why don't you advocate developement and investment in you're country instead of coming up with solutions that will be fruitless! Is it because you've come to the conclusion that haitians are an inept group of people that operate under utter tyranny and can't get their s**t together, that's it right! No thanks over our dead bodies first.
Edited on 12/16/2008 6:08 PM by arkatype.
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#44 - Posted 12 December 2008, 3:21 PM
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QUE PENDEJA ESTA LA GENTE!!!!!
Cibaeno75, Said
"Ball is in your court sucker. You can't stop the inevitable. "

I see. Fine then. Why don't your people give up their flag and all symbols pertaining to the haitian nation in particular, learn spanish and then maybe we can speak of unification. The entire island could become an expanded Dominican Republic. How does that vision for unification strike you?

Haitianation, Said
I accept but only if you promise to return the island to its original name: AYITI.

Cibaeno75, Said
LOL That wasn't my proposal. So you would be willing to give up your language and your people's cultural patrimony for unification?

Arkatype, Said I had to quote this! this is truly sickening..... Haitianation said and i quote " I accept but only if you promise to return the island to its original name Ayiti " First off i would never call you by your screen name, to me your Haitianation and Haitianation alone!!!!! Dont take my country's forefathers name in vain. Secondly don't take the name of the island in vain, like i said before on another thread you people don't come close in similarity to the original inhabitants of this once most beautiful island. Well atleast the dominican portion of the island, and that's a fact when Haiti today is an ecological disaster. You're people 'haitians' have been the worst stewards of the land you have inherited from your french slavemasters that ruled over you for many years. So your claim to any indigenous name is anathema at best, you better off calling yourselves the slave republic of papa doc or some other gibberish!!!!! LOL.
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#45 - Posted 12 December 2008, 5:21 PM
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"If it was up to me yes in a heart beat."

OK then. I have a feeling that the vast majority of haitians would not agree to such conditions but I commend your desire to be Dominican


I think he's Dominican, his name said it all. Actually I am against that type of unification that Dominicanation is proposing, I like the cultures on both side, nothing more exciting than to drive a couple hour and be in a totally different world. (From merengue to compa, soccer to pelota, arroz congri, to sancocho , morena to mulata, mountain to valley) ect..

The burden is on Haiti until they can clean their act and keep their population explosion under control
there is absolutely no chance, they will be seen more as a threat than anything else.

A common market and currency, DR should consider once or if Haiti meet certain treshold.
Edited on 12/12/2008 5:25 PM by antonioj.
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#46 - Posted 12 December 2008, 5:39 PM
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When ever you're people haitianman have set foot on our soil, you have created chaos and problems. If you don't get it!!!!! maybe i should remind you.
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#47 - Posted 12 December 2008, 6:40 PM
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Dominicanation, as much as i admire your passion and patriotism in this matter, it is a little far fetched to advocate the unity of seperate countries on the basis that they are contiguous land masses. taken to its logical, and ridiculous extreme, we could advocate that all of south america should abandon its borders and form one country, or that canada and the usa should do the same. the socio-cultural issue are too complicated to allow for such a union. in order to achieve such a feat, we would have to start with a completely clean historical slate. you would not be dealing only with the present and the future; the past would be too much of an onerous burden to allow for the realisation of the idea, however utopian it might be. in my humble opinion, Haiti and tha DR simply cannot unite, and your declaration that it be called AYITI is one of the basic undercurrents which would torpedo the idea.
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#48 - Posted 12 December 2008, 9:10 PM
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Haiti in a more positive light, I was hoping to see the peligre dam

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=8QEzODcQRZU&feature=related

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=8QEzODcQRZU&feature=related
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#49 - Posted 12 December 2008, 9:54 PM
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The only way that Dominicans would join the island is if, the Haitians would leave.
I am a socialist but DR would not succeed by supporting Haiti.
Haiti would not try to invade DR; we have a much more powerful military this time around. Don’t forget about the Dominicans living outside the island. We are a great force to be reckoned with. Our economic, political and fire power would be too much. And from pasted experience some might even lead an invasion to Haiti and kill you guys off.
I myself would not Condon that, but as we see in Georgia Vs Russia or Kosovo, things might get real ugly. What would happen if we cut off Haiti’s food supply, medicine?
What if a simple illness likes cholera broke out while the war was raging?

We fought 42 thousand Americans, “some Haitians in the city fought too” but the majority was Dominicans in the battles. The Americans came with there war machines, there bombs. They killed us like the killed the Viet Cong, they said it was to stop communism but they destroyed our Democracy.
I think we can hold our own against Haiti
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#50 - Posted 12 December 2008, 10:21 PM
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The only way that Dominicans would join the island is if, the Haitians would leave.
I am a socialist but DR would not succeed by supporting Haiti.
Haiti would not try to invade DR; we have a much more powerful military this time around. Don’t forget about the Dominicans living outside the island. We are a great force to be reckoned with. Our economic, political and fire power would be too much. And from pasted experience some might even lead an invasion to Haiti and kill you guys off.
I myself would not Condon that, but as we see in Georgia Vs Russia or Kosovo, things might get real ugly. What would happen if we cut off Haiti’s food supply, medicine?
What if a simple illness likes cholera broke out while the war was raging?

We fought 42 thousand Americans, “some Haitians in the city fought too” but the majority was Dominicans in the battles. The Americans came with there war machines, there bombs. They killed us like the killed the Viet Cong, they said it was to stop communism but they destroyed our Democracy.
I think we can hold our own against Haiti

Interesting Haitian thread about race black, mullato, I found it eye opening, for those that enjoy reading about race issue in DR now here's the Haitian version .

http://www.haitixchange.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/1249/
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