#61 - Posted 13 December 2008, 1:40 PM
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Chillaxin201, Said
Have you ever wondered why so many Haitians have Latin Surnames? And not French
Is it because they change it to fit into Dominican society.


Haitianation, Said
AND what is that suppose to mean?

Arkatype, Said It means that your bastard people want to be something they're not.

Thank you,
Why is it?
Why is it that the majority of people that hate Haitians in DR are actually black Dominicans?
I am not anti Haitian, but you must realize what could go wrong in a war before you start one or participate in one. Don't you realize that if Haiti did get out of the slump they are in and decided to invade that the out come might be extremely negative towards Haiti?

DR has Army, Navy and Air force. What does Haiti have?
Even if you won, Haitian makes there money by selling products to Dominicans, why would you war with your consumer. The battle at the border might be instance but what about the Haitians on the east coast? They would be out numbered out gunned and slaughtered. A war would force all aid workers to leave Haiti, would happen if they had an out break? Think about it, think about cholera, small pox, dengue fever and yellow fever. You’re so stupid you might have not realized that Haiti’s population would most likely starve with in two months of a war.
Don’t blame DR Blame thous that trained the a—holes that ousted your president. Yes! The U.S. of A. do some real research.


DR has Army, Navy and Air force. What does Haiti have?

WE HAVE GUTS AND GUTS IS ENOUGH. If The Dominican army ,navy, air force etc.. is so good why were they so afraid to invade Haiti when what his name gave them the order to attack Haiti. As I recall they were so scared they didn't follow their own commander in chief orders to attack Haiti. LOL psychologically we have already beaten the Dominican Army and that means a lot my child. Guns and warplanes don't kill people, people kill people and your people are too afraid of my people to even attack them. So there you have it. Obviously you don't know anything about the Art of War in this day in age wars are not won with Tanks and Submarines. The best that the Dominican army can do is do like Trujillo did attack a few Haitian civilians on your side of the border and claim that you fought a war against the Haitians. Obviously I;m talking to a 10year old kid if you dare to say that Haiti would starve during a two months war because you country depends more on Haiti's imports of your goods this year alone millions of dollars were lost in your poultry business when Haiti decided to put an embargo on your chicken I think the total was 50 million USD in two months and that was just on one product. Now you are talking about the NGO's leaving Haiti lol what about tourists that would not set foot in DR for the next 100 years if a war was to happen. You have more to lose than we do so bring it.


You have a child's mentality......... clearly you do not see the repercussions in war; I think DR would have an advantage. But it would not benefit us, why? Our large force would attack or counter attack yours but then a much larger force would attack us. Like the, you know the U.S. for picking one the poor Haitians.

Yes Haitians have guts and guts are sometimes enough for a foot soldier or a pawn. And I like the way you quoted Full Metal Jacket and invoked Sun Tzu’s Art of War.
I have seen the movie and have the book, if you would like to learn more you will have to read more history then the B.S. everyone else reads. And I doubt you have any real military training or you would know things like the repercussions in war.
So young man or little boy what ever you are stay in a child place.
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#62 - Posted 13 December 2008, 4:22 PM
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Dominicanation, Dominicans do not care for unification and in particular the brand of unification you're trying to sell us on here day in and day out for the last few weeks which is nothing more then the establishment of a "Greater Haiti" at the expense of Dominican national identity. I'm not saying this to be antagonistic for I bare no ill will toward the haitian people. I'm saying this to you because you need to realise that Dominicans of varying points of view do not want to see there nation dissappear from the face of the earth or merged with any other nation. I think you need to come to the realization that haiti's prosperity can only come about from within. Unification with DR will not necessarily solve your nation's pressing problems. All that unification would acheive is to pass on Haiti's problems to the other side of the island and no Dominican, at least any rational Dominican, wants any part of that. With that said I sincerely hope that the Haitian state gets its act together soon.


Cib You are not seeing the bigger picture, be wise my friend don't you see if Haiti can get its act back together without the significant help of DR then the very first thing the Haitians will do is try to invade DR just like old times and of course DR will want to fight back and where do you think DR tourists industry will go during those times? it will take DR a good 50+ years to get back where it is now if a war broke out regardless if the Haitian fails or not in their attempt. That is why I'm proposing this peaceful solution which will be good for the both sides of the island. The Haitians have nothing to loose if we don't work out our differences now while both nations are still young then we will end up like North and South Korea.


You are the true voice of you people...

North + South Korea is a difffent issue altogether... it doesn't apply here
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Dominicanation, Dominicans do not care for unification and in particular the brand of unification you're trying to sell us on here day in and day out for the last few weeks which is nothing more then the establishment of a "Greater Haiti" at the expense of Dominican national identity. I'm not saying this to be antagonistic for I bare no ill will toward the haitian people. I'm saying this to you because you need to realise that Dominicans of varying points of view do not want to see there nation dissappear from the face of the earth or merged with any other nation. I think you need to come to the realization that haiti's prosperity can only come about from within. Unification with DR will not necessarily solve your nation's pressing problems. All that unification would acheive is to pass on Haiti's problems to the other side of the island and no Dominican, at least any rational Dominican, wants any part of that. With that said I sincerely hope that the Haitian state gets its act together soon.


Cib You are not seeing the bigger picture, be wise my friend don't you see if Haiti can get its act back together without the significant help of DR then the very first thing the Haitians will do is try to invade DR just like old times and of course DR will want to fight back and where do you think DR tourists industry will go during those times? it will take DR a good 50+ years to get back where it is now if a war broke out regardless if the Haitian fails or not in their attempt. That is why I'm proposing this peaceful solution which will be good for the both sides of the island. The Haitians have nothing to loose if we don't work out our differences now while both nations are still young then we will end up like North and South Korea.


I see. So let me pose a hypothetical situation to you: Let's say you've worked hard, really hard, to secure property and a home for you and your family. Let's say you've managed your investments wisely and are running a sound household. Let us also suppose that your next-door neighbor has squandered his earnings and has let his living standards and his property go to crap, to the point that it's an eyesore on the street you live on. Would it be fair for your neighbor to demand that you tear down the fence that seperates your properties and share your well managed but meager resources with someone who squandered them while you were doing what was expected of you? What would you do if said neighbor came to you demanding that you tear down the fence so that he can enjoy your flat screen since he has no TV at all and all that's in your refrigerator since his is bare? Would it be fair to you and your family to have pick up your neighbor's burdens? Would it be fair to your children to have to take food from their mouths to feed said neighbor? That is in essence what you are asking of the Dominican people as a whole.


Cib. If your brother ask you for a piece of bread would you throw him a stone instead?

A man who has two sons. The younger demands his share of his inheritance while his father is still living, and goes off to a distant country where he "waste[s] his substance with riotous living", and eventually has to take work as a swineherd clearly a low point, as swine are unclean. There he comes to his senses, and decides to return home and throw himself on his father's mercy, thinking that even if his father does disown him, that being one of his servants is still far better than feeding pigs. But when he returns home, his father greets him with open arms, and hardly gives him a chance to express his repentance; he kills a fatted calf to celebrate his return. The older brother resents the favored treatment of his faithless brother and complains of the lack of reward for his own faithfulness. From that statement above Cib I can tell that you are the older brother resenting the younger one or I should say the Dominicans resenting the Haitians because of their careless decisions over the years.

But the father responds tot he older brother is this and my response to you:

Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine. It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.

The same goes for us so we Haitians we messed up fine just like the prodigal son and we have realized our errors and now we are willing to return and work in the jobs that you Dominicans do not want, we are willing to work as servants in your homes, take your kids to school, clean your houses, do the construction labor work that you are not willing to do but yet you still resent us. We are not asking for you to give us anything we are willing to work for it but we face daily abuse from your policemen, soldiers, government agents and civilians alike so this has to be more than because of our history.


1. (....But) we are not brothers....

2. If you have realized your errors why do you claim that when haiti gets back on its feet there will be a war. Why, not happy with the present border?? Neither am I.

3. You take these jobs out of necessity... i don't see a wealthy haitian cleaning for a dominican to make up for past offenses

4. You face abuse by the police... So do we... and we are citizens... You should hear what happened to my uncle two months ago when a fucking GUALDIA roughed his wife and kid and why cuz my uncle refuse to give him money. Plus the abuses of policemen do not stop in DR... Look to any nation on earth and you'll find the same types of abuses....
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"Oh wow just because you both speaks spanish as a language does that qualify you as being more culturally connected them is that it? "

It's just not language and if you think that's the only affinity that exists in the Spanish speaking caribbean then you obviously need to learn more about your neighbors. Besides, countries that share even less affinities with us save language are still more culturally compatible to the Dominican people then the haitian people would be. Language is a biggie when it comes to a common identity in case you haven't noticed and for anyone to say otherwise is just shear nonsense. My wife is from a Spanish speaking South American nation and I'm able to enjoy her family's warmth precisely because we all speak spanish. If my wife had been haitian I would never be able to form a bond with her non-english speaking relatives. It would be evident to all that we come from different nations and stem from different peoples.
Indeed there are certain affinities between our peoples but the affinities shared between the haitians and the Dominicans are shared by practically ALL island peoples. That doesn't mean that cuba and jaimaca should form a single nation. That sounds as ridiculous as DR and haiti forming a single nation.


If Cuba and Jamaica was on the same island I don't see the reason why not to form a single nation. I would have been in the best interest of both nations to form a single nation, single market, single currency etc.... The new world order will take place and like it or not there will be a single nation on the island of AYITI, KYSKEYA, BOYO whatever the hell you want to call it. I have more people supporting my sinister ideas than you do so like the saying goes resistance is futile. I try to reason with you but you seemed to be stuck on one thing DIVISION and I don't do DIVISIONS nor SUBTRACTIONS I only do ADDITIONS and MULTIPLICATIONS. So regardless if you don't want the Haitian Empire to ADD your side of island to it list then you leave us no choice but to MULTIPLY so greatly that we outnumber you and swallow you whole which is what is happening right now. Ball is in your court sucker. You can't stop the inevitable.


Wars are won by stragety and Military might not by having a higher population... Your own history should teach you that... DR only surpassed Haiti in population in the 1970's.... previous to that we have defeated and driven back your armies to the east... your theory of population growth equating power does not hold in this century or the previous one.


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The only way that Dominicans would join the island is if, the Haitians would leave.
I am a socialist but DR would not succeed by supporting Haiti.
Haiti would not try to invade DR; we have a much more powerful military this time around. Don’t forget about the Dominicans living outside the island. We are a great force to be reckoned with. Our economic, political and fire power would be too much. And from pasted experience some might even lead an invasion to Haiti and kill you guys off.
I myself would not Condon that, but as we see in Georgia Vs Russia or Kosovo, things might get real ugly. What would happen if we cut off Haiti’s food supply, medicine?
What if a simple illness likes cholera broke out while the war was raging?

We fought 42 thousand Americans, “some Haitians in the city fought too” but the majority was Dominicans in the battles. The Americans came with there war machines, there bombs. They killed us like the killed the Viet Cong, they said it was to stop communism but they destroyed our Democracy.
I think we can hold our own against Haiti

Interesting Haitian thread about race black, mullato, I found it eye opening, for those that enjoy reading about race issue in DR now here's the Haitian version .

http://www.haitixchange.com/index.php/forums/viewthread/1249/


Those people in the video are the ones exploiting the rest of the hatians... I for one have seen one or two white or mulato hatian.... these people are like 3% of the population...
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Chillaxin201, Said
Have you ever wondered why so many Haitians have Latin Surnames? And not French
Is it because they change it to fit into Dominican society.


Haitianation, Said
AND what is that suppose to mean?

Arkatype, Said It means that your bastard people want to be something they're not.

Thank you,
Why is it?
Why is it that the majority of people that hate Haitians in DR are actually black Dominicans?
I am not anti Haitian, but you must realize what could go wrong in a war before you start one or participate in one. Don't you realize that if Haiti did get out of the slump they are in and decided to invade that the out come might be extremely negative towards Haiti?

DR has Army, Navy and Air force. What does Haiti have?
Even if you won, Haitian makes there money by selling products to Dominicans, why would you war with your consumer. The battle at the border might be instance but what about the Haitians on the east coast? They would be out numbered out gunned and slaughtered. A war would force all aid workers to leave Haiti, would happen if they had an out break? Think about it, think about cholera, small pox, dengue fever and yellow fever. You’re so stupid you might have not realized that Haiti’s population would most likely starve with in two months of a war.
Don’t blame DR Blame thous that trained the a—holes that ousted your president. Yes! The U.S. of A. do some real research.


DR has Army, Navy and Air force. What does Haiti have?

WE HAVE GUTS AND GUTS IS ENOUGH. If The Dominican army ,navy, air force etc.. is so good why were they so afraid to invade Haiti when what his name gave them the order to attack Haiti. As I recall they were so scared they didn't follow their own commander in chief orders to attack Haiti. LOL psychologically we have already beaten the Dominican Army and that means a lot my child. Guns and warplanes don't kill people, people kill people and your people are too afraid of my people to even attack them. So there you have it. Obviously you don't know anything about the Art of War in this day in age wars are not won with Tanks and Submarines. The best that the Dominican army can do is do like Trujillo did attack a few Haitian civilians on your side of the border and claim that you fought a war against the Haitians. Obviously I;m talking to a 10year old kid if you dare to say that Haiti would starve during a two months war because you country depends more on Haiti's imports of your goods this year alone millions of dollars were lost in your poultry business when Haiti decided to put an embargo on your chicken I think the total was 50 million USD in two months and that was just on one product. Now you are talking about the NGO's leaving Haiti lol what about tourists that would not set foot in DR for the next 100 years if a war was to happen. You have more to lose than we do so bring it.



1. You have guts.... SO DO WE... I MEAN We CHASED YOUR ARMY TO THE EAST "A PALO Y A PEDRA" 11 TIMES... BUDDDY

2. Bosch did not invade DR cuz the military which was still operating for the elite of the time, they would need their soldiers when they needed to depose bosch... GET IT....

3. True we would lose... but then again, we would win... No HAitians in DR, more jobs for our people... no deforestation, a true conciousness and aware of the Haitian threat would take hold in dominicans mind that would completely change relations.... for this generation and the next.... and finally

4. Tourist would be back in 2 years no more no less


I PRAY TO MARS TO MAKE THIS COME TRUE
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can someone please explain to me how the DR could invade Haiti and defeat them in a war, on their turf? by what means? surely, the DR could not move a sufficiently large force across the border to beat the haitians by numbers. so, what do we have? better armament and munitions? anybody remembers what happened to Russia and Britain in afghanistan? and, i hardly believe that the DR, has far superior high tech weapons than does haiti. it would boil down to a lot of guerilla street fighting, in which the home field advantage rules. it is just as ridiculous as believing that haiti could attack the DR and win a war!
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can someone please explain to me how the DR could invade Haiti and defeat them in a war, on their turf? by what means? surely, the DR could not move a sufficiently large force across the border to beat the haitians by numbers. so, what do we have? better armament and munitions? anybody remembers what happened to Russia and Britain in afghanistan? and, i hardly believe that the DR, has far superior high tech weapons than does haiti. it would boil down to a lot of guerilla street fighting, in which the home field advantage rules. it is just as ridiculous as believing that haiti could attack the DR and win a war!


Right on the money, the Haitian terrain is really montainous thus complicating access by heavy equipement, also poor roads and DR limited military infrastructure will make the task of deploying troops difficult, it will come down to guerilla fights, and guts which will favor Haiti. I can not see any country attacking each other unless that president is delusional. By the way regardless of who start the war, DR lost will be enormous.

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can someone please explain to me how the DR could invade Haiti and defeat them in a war, on their turf? by what means? surely, the DR could not move a sufficiently large force across the border to beat the haitians by numbers. so, what do we have? better armament and munitions? anybody remembers what happened to Russia and Britain in afghanistan? and, i hardly believe that the DR, has far superior high tech weapons than does haiti. it would boil down to a lot of guerilla street fighting, in which the home field advantage rules. it is just as ridiculous as believing that haiti could attack the DR and win a war!


Right on the money, the Haitian terrain is really montainous thus complicating access by heavy equipement, also poor roads and DR limited military infrastructure will make the task of deploying troops difficult, it will come down to guerilla fights, and guts which will favor Haiti. I can not see any country attacking each other unless that president is delusional. By the way regardless of who start the war, DR lost will be enormous.




If it were on the attacking side, yes. But if the fight boiled down to the barrios over here (Gualey, Guachupita, Los Guandules, etc.), then that´s another story altogether....
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can someone please explain to me how the DR could invade Haiti and defeat them in a war, on their turf? by what means? surely, the DR could not move a sufficiently large force across the border to beat the haitians by numbers. so, what do we have? better armament and munitions? anybody remembers what happened to Russia and Britain in afghanistan? and, i hardly believe that the DR, has far superior high tech weapons than does haiti. it would boil down to a lot of guerilla street fighting, in which the home field advantage rules. it is just as ridiculous as believing that haiti could attack the DR and win a war!



BLITZKRIEG BABY!

GUYS IT"S DOABLE... WE JUST NEED A GOOD PLAN

The only reason why am opposed to war is that the bitch is expensive. On the positve side we would not have anymore haitians because we would either deport them or they'll return on their own.... we could recover the lost provinces and Hincha... OH BABY, A WAR WOULD FIX LOTS OF THINGS

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