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More than 57,000 people are in jail in Cuba, according to a rare report about the prison population published by the Communist Party newspaper, Granma.

Granma said efforts had been made to improve conditions for the 57,337 inmates, and that 23,000 had prison jobs and were being paid.

Dissident groups have put the prison population between 70,00 and 100,000.

Granma's report came as a UN panel held a hearing on Cuba, including alleged degrading treatment of inmates.

The article in Granma said rehabilitation programmes were under way, with education and training being provided at all levels.

It noted that an investment plan running until 2017 aimed to improve prison infrastructure and improve living conditions for inmates.

Prison population per 100,000

Cuba: 518
US: 730
England and Wales: 155

Sources: Cuba calculation based on official figures; International Centre for Prison Studies

About half of the inmates were in open jails, Granma said.

And the 23,000 prisoners who were working were being paid the same amount as other workers, the paper added.

Dissidents groups say prisoners are used to work for government-owned businesses but receive very little, if any, pay.

White collar crime

According to the official figures, some 10,000 prisoners have been released over the past six months, including 2,900 freed as a goodwill gesture over New Year.

These have included common criminals and political prisoners.
Ladies in White marching in Havana Members of the Ladies in White dissident group have been briefly held

There has been, however, a reported increase in the number of people jailed for corruption, with some reports speaking of 400 officials and managers jailed.

This suggests that the Cuban government now sees white collar crime as its main challenge, says BBC Mundo Havana correspondent Fernando Ravsberg.

The UN Committee Against Torture on Tuesday began a hearing into Cuba.

Issues raised included poor prison conditions, the use of solitary confinement, and "short" detentions where people were held usually for just 24 hours as a possible deterrent.

Cuba's Deputy Attorney General Rafael Pino Becquer told the hearing that Cuba was working to improve its prison system and that there had been no deaths in custody as a result of wrong-doing since 1997.

In the US people are jailed for peeing on the sidewalk. Prisoners are paid nothing in US jails - their keep is taken back fro the one dollar an hour they earn..

S.

Does not matter ABC.

The numbers below ARE a huge embarrassment to all who have denied the vast prison population of Cuba.

Prison population per 100,000

Cuba: 518

US: 730
England and Wales: 155

And remember, these numbers reflect recent cuts in the number of prisoners. Who knows what the percentages were during the "Special Period" and other years

Perhaps one day Cuba will publish the real numbers.

Hey, man, if I spit on or piss or spit the sidewalk or burn the US flag in the US I sure deserve prison. In Cuba if I say the president is **** I sure deserve prison. US has more prisoners per 100,000. So more people spit on the sidewalk or burn the US flag than say the president is **** in Cuba - so what?

S.

Touched a RAW NERVE there ABC

And if you had been to that Colloquium on Economic Transformation in Cuba on Monday in NYC, as I was, you would have listened to Emily Morris formally of The Economist Intelligence Unit and Archibald Ritter from Canada and their takes on Cuba. Both expressed the view that unless and until Cuba establishes ONE monetary unit in Cuba the economic situation will not noticeably change in terms of balancing supply and demand decision making.

The levels of corruption in Cuba are vast and the government has had an enormous challenge trying to battle this problem. Many young people want to leave the island or at least have the chance to travel outside. The White letter eliminated as a condition of travel. And the population is decreasing with greater numbers of elderly seeking support from a smaller number of younger people.

Age dependency ratio; young (% of working-age population) in Cuba

The Age dependency ratio; young (% of working-age population) in Cuba was last reported at 24.63 in 2010, according to a World Bank report released in 2011. The Age dependency ratio; young (% of working-age population) in Cuba was 25.25 in 2009, according to a World Bank report, published in 2010. The Age dependency ratio; young (% of working-age population) in Cuba was reported at 25.88 in 2008, according to the World Bank. Age dependency ratio, young, is the ratio of younger dependents--people younger than 15--to the working-age population--those ages 15-64. Data are shown as the proportion of dependents per 100 working-age population.

This page includes a historical data chart, news and forecasts for Age dependency ratio; young (% of working-age population) in Cuba. Cuba’s economy is mostly stated controlled where most of the means of production are owned and run by the government. However, some forms of foreign investments and private enterprise are allowed. The main sectors of the Cuban economy are industrial production and sugar cultivation. In recent years, tourism, biotechnology and pharmaceutical industry are also gaining importance.

Edited on 5/23/2012 5:06 PM by Atabey.

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#59 - Posted 23 May 2012, 8:09 PM
abc200 Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10609	RE: Cuba says prison population at more than 57,000 Signs of a New Found Reality Emerging? We can argue if the US is more corrupt than Cuba: at least Cuba is green with low CO2 emissions and low pollution. US is not interested in the welfare of the Cuban people - just interested in selling useless old technology automobles, air con units, non sustainable generation plant, etc. etc. China might be a better coice for Cubas development. Why let in the criminals from the North after so many years? The US has made a mess of the DR - Cuba can choose a better way! S. Quote: Atabey previously said: Quote: abc200 previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: Quote: abc200 previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: 23 May 2012 Last updated at 06:54 ET Cuba says prison population at more than 57,000 map Related Stories Cuban politician jailed for graft Cuba to release 2,900 prisoners Country profile: Cuba More than 57,000 people are in jail in Cuba, according to a rare report about the prison population published by the Communist Party newspaper, Granma. Granma said efforts had been made to improve conditions for the 57,337 inmates, and that 23,000 had prison jobs and were being paid. Dissident groups have put the prison population between 70,00 and 100,000. Granma's report came as a UN panel held a hearing on Cuba, including alleged degrading treatment of inmates. The article in Granma said rehabilitation programmes were under way, with education and training being provided at all levels. It noted that an investment plan running until 2017 aimed to improve prison infrastructure and improve living conditions for inmates. Prison population per 100,000 Cuba: 518 US: 730 England and Wales: 155 Sources: Cuba calculation based on official figures; International Centre for Prison Studies About half of the inmates were in open jails, Granma said. And the 23,000 prisoners who were working were being paid the same amount as other workers, the paper added. Dissidents groups say prisoners are used to work for government-owned businesses but receive very little, if any, pay. White collar crime According to the official figures, some 10,000 prisoners have been released over the past six months, including 2,900 freed as a goodwill gesture over New Year. These have included common criminals and political prisoners. Ladies in White marching in Havana Members of the Ladies in White dissident group have been briefly held There has been, however, a reported increase in the number of people jailed for corruption, with some reports speaking of 400 officials and managers jailed. This suggests that the Cuban government now sees white collar crime as its main challenge, says BBC Mundo Havana correspondent Fernando Ravsberg. The UN Committee Against Torture on Tuesday began a hearing into Cuba. Issues raised included poor prison conditions, the use of solitary confinement, and "short" detentions where people were held usually for just 24 hours as a possible deterrent. Cuba's Deputy Attorney General Rafael Pino Becquer told the hearing that Cuba was working to improve its prison system and that there had been no deaths in custody as a result of wrong-doing since 1997. In the US people are jailed for peeing on the sidewalk. Prisoners are paid nothing in US jails - their keep is taken back fro the one dollar an hour they earn.. S. Does not matter ABC. The numbers below ARE a huge embarrassment to all who have denied the vast prison population of Cuba. Prison population per 100,000 Cuba: 518 US: 730 England and Wales: 155 And remember, these numbers reflect recent cuts in the number of prisoners. Who knows what the percentages were during the "Special Period" and other years Perhaps one day Cuba will publish the real numbers. Hey, man, if I spit on or piss or spit the sidewalk or burn the US flag in the US I sure deserve prison. In Cuba if I say the president is ** I sure deserve prison. US has more prisoners per 100,000. So more people spit on the sidewalk or burn the US flag than say the president is ** in Cuba - so what? S. Touched a RAW NERVE there ABC And if you had been to that Colloquium on Economic Transformation in Cuba on Monday in NYC, as I was, you would have listened to Emily Morris formally of The Economist Intelligence Unit and Archibald Ritter from Canada and their takes on Cuba. Both expressed the view that unless and until Cuba establishes ONE monetary unit in Cuba the economic situation will not noticeably change in terms of balancing supply and demand decision making. The levels of corruption in Cuba are vast and the government has had an enormous challenge trying to battle this problem. Many young people want to leave the island or at least have the chance to travel outside. The White letter eliminated as a condition of travel. And the population is decreasing with greater numbers of elderly seeking support from a smaller number of younger people. Age dependency ratio; young (% of working-age population) in Cuba The Age dependency ratio; young (% of working-age population) in Cuba was last reported at 24.63 in 2010, according to a World Bank report released in 2011. The Age dependency ratio; young (% of working-age population) in Cuba was 25.25 in 2009, according to a World Bank report, published in 2010. The Age dependency ratio; young (% of working-age population) in Cuba was reported at 25.88 in 2008, according to the World Bank. Age dependency ratio, young, is the ratio of younger dependents--people younger than 15--to the working-age population--those ages 15-64. Data are shown as the proportion of dependents per 100 working-age population. This page includes a historical data chart, news and forecasts for Age dependency ratio; young (% of working-age population) in Cuba. Cuba’s economy is mostly stated controlled where most of the means of production are owned and run by the government. However, some forms of foreign investments and private enterprise are allowed. The main sectors of the Cuban economy are industrial production and sugar cultivation. In recent years, tourism, biotechnology and pharmaceutical industry are also gaining importance.
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#51 - Posted 17 May 2012, 11:35 AM
Atabey Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 16335	Colloquium Economic Transformation in Cuba POLITICAL ECONOMY OF CHANGE IN CUBA POLITICAL ECONOMY OF CHANGE IN CUBA For those of you interested in the Colloquium, but can not make it, check out the study below. http://web.gc.cuny.edu/dept/bildn/cuba/PEchangeCuba.pdf Table of Contents List of Figures v List of Tables vii Preface xi 1 La actualización del modelo económico cubano Omar Everleny Pérez Villanueva 1 2 Las restricciones de divisas en la economía cubana, 2010 Pavel Vidal Alejandro 19 3 New Forms of Enterprise in Cuba’s Changing Economy Camila Piñeiro Harnecker 43 4 Valoración del impacto de las medidas más recientes en los resultados de la agricultura en Cuba Armando Nova González 63 5 Las nuevas transformaciones en la agricultura cubana: éxitos y desafíos Reynaldo Jiménez Guethón 81 6 Cuba y el turismo norteamericano. Analisis de potencialidades y de impactos en la región caribeña Gerardo González Núñez and Roberto Orro Fernández 95 iv 7 Tourism in Cuba: Barriers to Economic Growth and Development Hilary Becker 117 8 Cuba: A Services-Centered Survival and Development Pattern Alberto Gabriele 133 9 Theoretical Foundations of a Future Privatization in Cuba: The Property and Ownership Paradigm Frank-Christian Hansel 155 10 Globalization and the Socialist Multinational: Cuba and ALBA’s Grannacional Projects at the Intersection of Business and Human Rights Larry Catá Backer Edited on 5/17/2012 11:36 AM by Atabey. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck William Arthur Ward - "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.
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#52 - Posted 17 May 2012, 11:39 AM
Atabey Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 16335	RE: Colloquium Economic Transformation in Cuba POLITICAL ECONOMY OF CHANGE IN CUBA Preface The dynamics of contemporary Cuba—the politics, culture, economy, and the people—were the focus of the three-day international symposium, Cuba Futures: Past and Present (organized by the Bildner Center at The Graduate Center, CUNY). As one of the largest and most dynamic conferences on Cuba to date, the Cuba Futures symposium drew the attention of specialists from all parts of the world. Nearly 600 individuals attended the 57 panels and plenary sessions over the course of three days. Over 240 panelists from the US, Cuba, Britain, Spain, Germany, France, Canada, and other countries combined perspectives from various fields including social sciences, economics, arts and humanities. They provided indepth treatment of a wide range of topics, including US-Cuba relations, healthcare, the history and legacy of the Cuban revolution, the increasingly complex Cuban diasporas, cinema, music, literature, and cultural institutions, the visual and performing arts, religion, the role of intellectuals, urban spaces, civil society, democracy, the impact of the Internet and technology, social development, non-governmental organizations, Afro-Cuban cultural movements, gender and sexuality, tourism, and race and ethnicity. The conference also discussed Cuba's links to the rest of the world. The conference was organized by Bildner Center director Mauricio A. Font and the Cuba Futures organizing committee, consisting of a growing number of Cuba specialists at the City University of New York, with support from the Bildner Center staff. Since 1997, The Cuba Project has been organizing related conferences creating a space for sustained dialogue on contemporary issues of Cuban society. The papers in this volume were presented during the Cuba Futures conference and focus on recent economic reform in Cuba. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck William Arthur Ward - "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.
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#53 - Posted 23 May 2012, 12:51 PM
Atabey Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 16335	Cuba says prison population at more than 57,000 Signs of a New Found Reality Emerging? 23 May 2012 Last updated at 06:54 ET Cuba says prison population at more than 57,000 map Related Stories Cuban politician jailed for graft Cuba to release 2,900 prisoners Country profile: Cuba More than 57,000 people are in jail in Cuba, according to a rare report about the prison population published by the Communist Party newspaper, Granma. Granma said efforts had been made to improve conditions for the 57,337 inmates, and that 23,000 had prison jobs and were being paid. Dissident groups have put the prison population between 70,00 and 100,000. Granma's report came as a UN panel held a hearing on Cuba, including alleged degrading treatment of inmates. The article in Granma said rehabilitation programmes were under way, with education and training being provided at all levels. It noted that an investment plan running until 2017 aimed to improve prison infrastructure and improve living conditions for inmates. Continue reading the main story Prison population per 100,000 Cuba: 518 US: 730 England and Wales: 155 Sources: Cuba calculation based on official figures; International Centre for Prison Studies About half of the inmates were in open jails, Granma said. And the 23,000 prisoners who were working were being paid the same amount as other workers, the paper added. Dissidents groups say prisoners are used to work for government-owned businesses but receive very little, if any, pay. White collar crime According to the official figures, some 10,000 prisoners have been released over the past six months, including 2,900 freed as a goodwill gesture over New Year. These have included common criminals and political prisoners. Ladies in White marching in Havana Members of the Ladies in White dissident group have been briefly held There has been, however, a reported increase in the number of people jailed for corruption, with some reports speaking of 400 officials and managers jailed. This suggests that the Cuban government now sees white collar crime as its main challenge, says BBC Mundo Havana correspondent Fernando Ravsberg. The UN Committee Against Torture on Tuesday began a hearing into Cuba. Issues raised included poor prison conditions, the use of solitary confinement, and "short" detentions where people were held usually for just 24 hours as a possible deterrent. Cuba's Deputy Attorney General Rafael Pino Becquer told the hearing that Cuba was working to improve its prison system and that there had been no deaths in custody as a result of wrong-doing since 1997. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck William Arthur Ward - "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.
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#54 - Posted 23 May 2012, 3:14 PM
abc200 Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10609	RE: Cuba says prison population at more than 57,000 Signs of a New Found Reality Emerging? Quote: Atabey previously said: 23 May 2012 Last updated at 06:54 ET Cuba says prison population at more than 57,000 map Related Stories Cuban politician jailed for graft Cuba to release 2,900 prisoners Country profile: Cuba More than 57,000 people are in jail in Cuba, according to a rare report about the prison population published by the Communist Party newspaper, Granma. Granma said efforts had been made to improve conditions for the 57,337 inmates, and that 23,000 had prison jobs and were being paid. Dissident groups have put the prison population between 70,00 and 100,000. Granma's report came as a UN panel held a hearing on Cuba, including alleged degrading treatment of inmates. The article in Granma said rehabilitation programmes were under way, with education and training being provided at all levels. It noted that an investment plan running until 2017 aimed to improve prison infrastructure and improve living conditions for inmates. Continue reading the main story Prison population per 100,000 Cuba: 518 US: 730 England and Wales: 155 Sources: Cuba calculation based on official figures; International Centre for Prison Studies About half of the inmates were in open jails, Granma said. And the 23,000 prisoners who were working were being paid the same amount as other workers, the paper added. Dissidents groups say prisoners are used to work for government-owned businesses but receive very little, if any, pay. White collar crime According to the official figures, some 10,000 prisoners have been released over the past six months, including 2,900 freed as a goodwill gesture over New Year. These have included common criminals and political prisoners. Ladies in White marching in Havana Members of the Ladies in White dissident group have been briefly held There has been, however, a reported increase in the number of people jailed for corruption, with some reports speaking of 400 officials and managers jailed. This suggests that the Cuban government now sees white collar crime as its main challenge, says BBC Mundo Havana correspondent Fernando Ravsberg. The UN Committee Against Torture on Tuesday began a hearing into Cuba. Issues raised included poor prison conditions, the use of solitary confinement, and "short" detentions where people were held usually for just 24 hours as a possible deterrent. Cuba's Deputy Attorney General Rafael Pino Becquer told the hearing that Cuba was working to improve its prison system and that there had been no deaths in custody as a result of wrong-doing since 1997. In the US people are jailed for peeing on the sidewalk. Prisoners are paid nothing in US jails - their keep is taken back fro the one dollar an hour they earn.. S.
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#55 - Posted 23 May 2012, 3:50 PM
Atabey Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 16335	RE: Cuba says prison population at more than 57,000 Signs of a New Found Reality Emerging? Quote: abc200 previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: 23 May 2012 Last updated at 06:54 ET Cuba says prison population at more than 57,000 map Related Stories Cuban politician jailed for graft Cuba to release 2,900 prisoners Country profile: Cuba More than 57,000 people are in jail in Cuba, according to a rare report about the prison population published by the Communist Party newspaper, Granma. Granma said efforts had been made to improve conditions for the 57,337 inmates, and that 23,000 had prison jobs and were being paid. Dissident groups have put the prison population between 70,00 and 100,000. Granma's report came as a UN panel held a hearing on Cuba, including alleged degrading treatment of inmates. The article in Granma said rehabilitation programmes were under way, with education and training being provided at all levels. It noted that an investment plan running until 2017 aimed to improve prison infrastructure and improve living conditions for inmates. Prison population per 100,000 Cuba: 518 US: 730 England and Wales: 155 Sources: Cuba calculation based on official figures; International Centre for Prison Studies About half of the inmates were in open jails, Granma said. And the 23,000 prisoners who were working were being paid the same amount as other workers, the paper added. Dissidents groups say prisoners are used to work for government-owned businesses but receive very little, if any, pay. White collar crime According to the official figures, some 10,000 prisoners have been released over the past six months, including 2,900 freed as a goodwill gesture over New Year. These have included common criminals and political prisoners. Ladies in White marching in Havana Members of the Ladies in White dissident group have been briefly held There has been, however, a reported increase in the number of people jailed for corruption, with some reports speaking of 400 officials and managers jailed. This suggests that the Cuban government now sees white collar crime as its main challenge, says BBC Mundo Havana correspondent Fernando Ravsberg. The UN Committee Against Torture on Tuesday began a hearing into Cuba. Issues raised included poor prison conditions, the use of solitary confinement, and "short" detentions where people were held usually for just 24 hours as a possible deterrent. Cuba's Deputy Attorney General Rafael Pino Becquer told the hearing that Cuba was working to improve its prison system and that there had been no deaths in custody as a result of wrong-doing since 1997. In the US people are jailed for peeing on the sidewalk. Prisoners are paid nothing in US jails - their keep is taken back fro the one dollar an hour they earn.. S. Does not matter ABC. The numbers below ARE a huge embarrassment to all who have denied the vast prison population of Cuba. Prison population per 100,000 Cuba: 518 US: 730 England and Wales: 155 And remember, these numbers reflect recent cuts in the number of prisoners. Who knows what the percentages were during the "Special Period" and other years Perhaps one day Cuba will publish the real numbers. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck William Arthur Ward - "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.
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#56 - Posted 23 May 2012, 4:21 PM
abc200 Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10609	RE: Cuba says prison population at more than 57,000 Signs of a New Found Reality Emerging? Quote: Atabey previously said: Quote: abc200 previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: 23 May 2012 Last updated at 06:54 ET Cuba says prison population at more than 57,000 map Related Stories Cuban politician jailed for graft Cuba to release 2,900 prisoners Country profile: Cuba More than 57,000 people are in jail in Cuba, according to a rare report about the prison population published by the Communist Party newspaper, Granma. Granma said efforts had been made to improve conditions for the 57,337 inmates, and that 23,000 had prison jobs and were being paid. Dissident groups have put the prison population between 70,00 and 100,000. Granma's report came as a UN panel held a hearing on Cuba, including alleged degrading treatment of inmates. The article in Granma said rehabilitation programmes were under way, with education and training being provided at all levels. It noted that an investment plan running until 2017 aimed to improve prison infrastructure and improve living conditions for inmates. Prison population per 100,000 Cuba: 518 US: 730 England and Wales: 155 Sources: Cuba calculation based on official figures; International Centre for Prison Studies About half of the inmates were in open jails, Granma said. And the 23,000 prisoners who were working were being paid the same amount as other workers, the paper added. Dissidents groups say prisoners are used to work for government-owned businesses but receive very little, if any, pay. White collar crime According to the official figures, some 10,000 prisoners have been released over the past six months, including 2,900 freed as a goodwill gesture over New Year. These have included common criminals and political prisoners. Ladies in White marching in Havana Members of the Ladies in White dissident group have been briefly held There has been, however, a reported increase in the number of people jailed for corruption, with some reports speaking of 400 officials and managers jailed. This suggests that the Cuban government now sees white collar crime as its main challenge, says BBC Mundo Havana correspondent Fernando Ravsberg. The UN Committee Against Torture on Tuesday began a hearing into Cuba. Issues raised included poor prison conditions, the use of solitary confinement, and "short" detentions where people were held usually for just 24 hours as a possible deterrent. Cuba's Deputy Attorney General Rafael Pino Becquer told the hearing that Cuba was working to improve its prison system and that there had been no deaths in custody as a result of wrong-doing since 1997. In the US people are jailed for peeing on the sidewalk. Prisoners are paid nothing in US jails - their keep is taken back fro the one dollar an hour they earn.. S. Does not matter ABC. The numbers below ARE a huge embarrassment to all who have denied the vast prison population of Cuba. Prison population per 100,000 Cuba: 518 US: 730 England and Wales: 155 And remember, these numbers reflect recent cuts in the number of prisoners. Who knows what the percentages were during the "Special Period" and other years Perhaps one day Cuba will publish the real numbers. Hey, man, if I spit on or piss or spit the sidewalk or burn the US flag in the US I sure deserve prison. In Cuba if I say the president is ** I sure deserve prison. US has more prisoners per 100,000. So more people spit on the sidewalk or burn the US flag than say the president is ** in Cuba - so what? S.
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#57 - Posted 23 May 2012, 5:02 PM
Atabey Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 16335	RE: Cuba says prison population at more than 57,000 Signs of a New Found Reality Emerging? Quote: abc200 previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: Quote: abc200 previously said: Quote: Atabey previously said: 23 May 2012 Last updated at 06:54 ET Cuba says prison population at more than 57,000 map Related Stories Cuban politician jailed for graft Cuba to release 2,900 prisoners Country profile: Cuba More than 57,000 people are in jail in Cuba, according to a rare report about the prison population published by the Communist Party newspaper, Granma. Granma said efforts had been made to improve conditions for the 57,337 inmates, and that 23,000 had prison jobs and were being paid. Dissident groups have put the prison population between 70,00 and 100,000. Granma's report came as a UN panel held a hearing on Cuba, including alleged degrading treatment of inmates. The article in Granma said rehabilitation programmes were under way, with education and training being provided at all levels. It noted that an investment plan running until 2017 aimed to improve prison infrastructure and improve living conditions for inmates. Prison population per 100,000 Cuba: 518 US: 730 England and Wales: 155 Sources: Cuba calculation based on official figures; International Centre for Prison Studies About half of the inmates were in open jails, Granma said. And the 23,000 prisoners who were working were being paid the same amount as other workers, the paper added. Dissidents groups say prisoners are used to work for government-owned businesses but receive very little, if any, pay. White collar crime According to the official figures, some 10,000 prisoners have been released over the past six months, including 2,900 freed as a goodwill gesture over New Year. These have included common criminals and political prisoners. Ladies in White marching in Havana Members of the Ladies in White dissident group have been briefly held There has been, however, a reported increase in the number of people jailed for corruption, with some reports speaking of 400 officials and managers jailed. This suggests that the Cuban government now sees white collar crime as its main challenge, says BBC Mundo Havana correspondent Fernando Ravsberg. The UN Committee Against Torture on Tuesday began a hearing into Cuba. Issues raised included poor prison conditions, the use of solitary confinement, and "short" detentions where people were held usually for just 24 hours as a possible deterrent. Cuba's Deputy Attorney General Rafael Pino Becquer told the hearing that Cuba was working to improve its prison system and that there had been no deaths in custody as a result of wrong-doing since 1997. In the US people are jailed for peeing on the sidewalk. Prisoners are paid nothing in US jails - their keep is taken back fro the one dollar an hour they earn.. S. Does not matter ABC. The numbers below ARE a huge embarrassment to all who have denied the vast prison population of Cuba. Prison population per 100,000 Cuba: 518 US: 730 England and Wales: 155 And remember, these numbers reflect recent cuts in the number of prisoners. Who knows what the percentages were during the "Special Period" and other years Perhaps one day Cuba will publish the real numbers. Hey, man, if I spit on or piss or spit the sidewalk or burn the US flag in the US I sure deserve prison. In Cuba if I say the president is ** I sure deserve prison. US has more prisoners per 100,000. So more people spit on the sidewalk or burn the US flag than say the president is ** in Cuba - so what? S. Touched a RAW NERVE there ABC And if you had been to that Colloquium on Economic Transformation in Cuba on Monday in NYC, as I was, you would have listened to Emily Morris formally of The Economist Intelligence Unit and Archibald Ritter from Canada and their takes on Cuba. Both expressed the view that unless and until Cuba establishes ONE monetary unit in Cuba the economic situation will not noticeably change in terms of balancing supply and demand decision making. The levels of corruption in Cuba are vast and the government has had an enormous challenge trying to battle this problem. Many young people want to leave the island or at least have the chance to travel outside. The White letter eliminated as a condition of travel. And the population is decreasing with greater numbers of elderly seeking support from a smaller number of younger people. Age dependency ratio; young (% of working-age population) in Cuba The Age dependency ratio; young (% of working-age population) in Cuba was last reported at 24.63 in 2010, according to a World Bank report released in 2011. The Age dependency ratio; young (% of working-age population) in Cuba was 25.25 in 2009, according to a World Bank report, published in 2010. The Age dependency ratio; young (% of working-age population) in Cuba was reported at 25.88 in 2008, according to the World Bank. Age dependency ratio, young, is the ratio of younger dependents--people younger than 15--to the working-age population--those ages 15-64. Data are shown as the proportion of dependents per 100 working-age population. This page includes a historical data chart, news and forecasts for Age dependency ratio; young (% of working-age population) in Cuba. Cuba’s economy is mostly stated controlled where most of the means of production are owned and run by the government. However, some forms of foreign investments and private enterprise are allowed. The main sectors of the Cuban economy are industrial production and sugar cultivation. In recent years, tourism, biotechnology and pharmaceutical industry are also gaining importance. Edited on 5/23/2012 5:06 PM by Atabey. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck William Arthur Ward - "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.
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#58 - Posted 23 May 2012, 5:08 PM
Atabey Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 16335	RE: Cuba says prison population at more than 57,000 Signs of a New Found Reality Emerging? Population growth (annual %) in Cuba The Population growth (annual %) in Cuba was last reported at -0.04 in 2010, according to a World Bank report released in 2011. The Population growth (annual %) in Cuba was -0.04 in 2009, according to a World Bank report, published in 2010. The Population growth (annual %) in Cuba was reported at -0.02 in 2008, according to the World Bank. Annual population growth rate for year t is the exponential rate of growth of midyear population from year t-1 to t, expressed as a percentage . Population is based on the de facto definition of population, which counts all residents regardless of legal status or citizenship--except for refugees not permanently settled in the country of asylum, who are generally considered part of the population of the country of origin. This page includes a historical data chart, news and forecasts for Population growth (annual %) in Cuba. Cuba’s economy is mostly stated controlled where most of the means of production are owned and run by the government. However, some forms of foreign investments and private enterprise are allowed. The main sectors of the Cuban economy are industrial production and sugar cultivation. In recent years, tourism, biotechnology and pharmaceutical industry are also gaining importance. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck William Arthur Ward - "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.
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#60 - Posted 23 May 2012, 10:36 PM
Atabey Location: United States, NYC Join date: October 2009 Member #: 3761 Posts: 16335	RE: Cuba says prison population at more than 57,000 Signs of a New Found Reality Emerging? All I'm saying is that Cuba has an insurmountable set of problems that ONLY a coming to terms with BIG GIANT USA will ever seriously solve. The tens of billions of dollars needed for Cuba's transformation WILL NEVER arrive until there is a COMING TO TERMS between the parties. And you know what that implies for the weaker party to the negotiations Melian dialogue The Athenians counter that gods and men alike respect strength over moral arguments; the strong do as they can and the weak suffer what they must. The dialogue is between unnamed Athenian envoys sent by generals Cleomedes son of Lycomedes and Tisias son of Tisimachus to negotiate with unnamed Melians Athenian: "For ourselves, we shall not trouble you with specious pretenses—either of how we have a right to our empire because we overthrew the Mede, or are now attacking you because of wrong that you have done us—and make a long speech which would not be believed; and in return we hope that you, instead of thinking to influence us by saying that you did not join the Spartans, although their colonists, or that you have done us no wrong, will aim at what is feasible, holding in view the real sentiments of us both; since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" (Strassler 352/5.89). Melians: "You may be sure that we are as well aware as you of the difficulty of contending against your power and fortune, unless the terms be equal. But we trust that the gods may grant us fortune as good as yours, since we are just men fighting against unjust, and that what we want in power will be made up by the alliance of the Lacedaemonians, who are bound, if only for very shame, to come to the aid of their kindred. Our confidence, therefore, after all is not so utterly irrational." Athenian: "Of the gods we believe, and of men we know, that by a necessary law of their nature they rule wherever they can. And it is not as if we were the first to make this law, or to act upon it when made: we found it existing before us, and shall leave it to exist forever after us; all we do is to make use of it, knowing that you and everybody else, having the same power as we have, would do the same as we do" (Strassler 354/5.105.2). The waiting game is almost over and the "strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must" in the end. Might not be just, but history is often like that: no one ever seriously believes that life is just. Edited on 5/23/2012 10:37 PM by Atabey. "If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck William Arthur Ward - "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.
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