Well it seems we've found a nice side effect of the Metro, it will get some of us digging through google and books to learn about the history behind the station names. I'll have to follow up on cib and lautaro's links before passing judgment on Battle. I do have to say that I'm with Cib and against making the core of my identities (Iberian or other) be built on hating an Other. As I see it that impulse was the chief error that has done in the Spaniards repeatedly from the 15th C. through today. As Dominicans we should aim to transcend that even as we embrace the positives of our Iberian heritage.

Well thanks for the reading tips guys, hope somebody starts up a Battle thread so we don't completely DE-RAIL the Metro discussion pun intended

Well said Manhattanite, Cib does not me to defend him, however he's on my list of posters that I respect and have come to rely on for their well research,and balance analysis.

It's a replica of the Madrid metro, still looks nice though since it's newer.

Cibaeño75, Said
Buen estupido ni utilize mis palabras para formar opinion o caso ya que te falta el cerebro para entender lo que yo deje dicho. Indeed there's nothing wrong with being what you are, that's why Pena Batlle was an idiot, just as you are, for he negated an entire part of what we are. And his father was definitely mulatto. The irony. There's nothing wrong with hispanic heritage, hell I'm more hispanic than you are and I'm certain of that without even seeing you, but the spin on hispanidad put on by the likes of Pena Batlle and Balaguer was an ass kissing homage to Spain while denigrating our neighbors in the process..that's not me and that's not us.


LightOfTruth, Said Cibaeño75 said and i quote "hell I'm more hispanic than you are and I'm certain of that without even seeing you" Oh yeah????? "but the spin on hispanidad put on by the likes of Pena Batlle and Balaguer was an ass kissing homage to Spain while denigrating our neighbors in the process.. that's not me and that's not us." Oh what a douche bag like haitians give a rats a** about you!!!!! Who are you to tell others what to believe or not to believe or like or dislike you're nobody i don't need you're approval i made my point and i feel great. You're an extremely bitter person and your judgements are as always WRONG..... While you're at it change your screen name to Port - au - Prince75 i have my doubts about you kiddo!

Cibaeño75, Said
You're a spineless bastard otherwise you would put your body where your mouth is. You have nothing in common with duarte, mella or sanchez so you should stop using their likenesses. They didn't hide behind some fake medium to insult others, they were doers. You would never stand up to anyone in a real situation. Eres un covarde. Segurament tu eres el producto de una linea larga de covardes. It comes from upbringing. Little men raise little men.

LightOfTruth, Said Stop misrepresenting what i stated, i did not say that a particular racial group should be glorified. Again you're putting words in my mouth, you don't even know what's the definition of hispanic. Peña Batlle is a legitimate author you're not! you will never understand his writings because you don't understand the history of the island. You rather believe the Pro haitian N.G.O's that flood the internet with propaganda and lies, including characters like Ernesto Saga with his poorly researched study on " Anti-Haitianismo " that even a five year old child could debunk, You've been had you've been suckered you've been duped, you're an extremely bitter person and sore loser.

"Stop misrepresenting what i stated, i did not say that a particular racial group should be glorified. Again you're putting words in my mouth, you don't even know what's the definition of hispanic. Peña Batlle is a legitimate author you're not! you will never understand his writings because you don't understand the history of the island. You rather believe the Pro haitian N.G.O's that flood the internet with propaganda and lies, including characters like Ernesto Saga with his poorly researched study on " Anti-Haitianismo " that even a five year old child could debunk, You've been had you've been suckered you've been duped, you're an extremely bitter person and sore loser. "

First of all, Peña Batlle was a "white" supremacist who laced his writings with then popular eugenics theories that have been discredited in every civilized circle save the pathetic one you find yourself in. On top of that he was Trujillo's police cheif, which should give anyone with half a brain an idea of where that man was coming from. Secondly I know the history of the island to a degree that will take you years to match, of that I'm certain and it's evident for all to see. Thirdly, show me where I quoted Saga, you idiot. You'll find no such thing because I never have. The only thing I ever used by the man is a compilation of historical works that were not authored by him. Lastly, the only bitter ones are you and others like you who are so bothered by the presence of African blood in your veins and in the veins of your countrymen. On top of that you're a coward. No self worth and no courage. A true loser.

Peña Batlle's legacy is a sad one. There's actually a homage to him that was recently authored by a Professor Nuñez, a blacker than black Dominican. While conversting with said professor and Soto Jimenez in uptown a while back I told him what I thought about Peña Batlle and I asked him how a person of color could defend such a person. He stuttered and then offered the lame excuse that Peña Battle's rantings against blacks were quotes used by Peña Batlle and not his own words, something that I was able to discredit instantly since we were all in a Dominican book store. Can't make this stuff up. Still brought his book, though, so at least he got my 35 bucks.

Peña Batlle the elitist:

"Due to the fact that the people is incapable of ruling itself and, after fifty years of independence does not want to be ruled by a foreign state, the enlightened minority, which constitutes its most noble element [...] ought to consitute itslef as a political party [...] "

Peña Batlle the racist and ethnocentrist:

"The Haitian who approaches us lives infected by numerous and fatal vices, and he is nearly without exception deformed by diseases and physiological defencies, endemic among the base characters of that society"

Let us know what you thought of Concho Primo when you're done Mr. Franco...I really enjoyed it and would recommend it to any one interested in things Dominican.