| #41 - Posted 14 June 2012, 9:10 AM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 6479 | RE: On Australia's Aborigines: What's the True Story Quote: RoyStone previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: Ricardolito previously said: Their genocidal policies in the Indian subcontinent ..well I think I have heard everything now ..the partition was agreed to by the British because of the demands of the Muslims and the Hindus and you can blame which ever of the two that you want to ,,,the simple fact was that it the two religious organisations could not live side by side ,,,even pleas from Ghandi who wanted a single India had no effect . You can not blame the massacres on the British . In relation to ww i it must be remebered that again it was not the British that solely took the decisions after the war ...there were numerous huge conferences in Paris to determine boundaries etc ,,previously Turkey had such a ferocious and cruel hold on much of the war area and the French were desperate to retain their influence there that it was difficult to produce a plan that Faisal and Lawrence had wanted and which is so well documented in the SevenPillars of Wisdom. But all this off the subject ....Australia is now a multi cultural society that works moderately well although influence still remains with the establishment which is basically of English stock I was speaking about the colonial period. If your not aware of the millions upon millions that died because of British policies look into it. One of the sadder chapters of human history . Ricky is absolutely correct. I might add it is not fair to judge British colonial policies of a bygone era by the standards we apply today. Also I would add that British colonists were far more sympathetic to indigenous peoples than were the Spanish, Portuguese, French or other colonial powers. Arguably there would still be traditional Taino communities alive today had Hispanola been colonized by the British, and there would not be traditional Australian Aboriginal communities had Australia not been colonized by the British. Certainly the Australian continent would not have remained uninhabited by anyone but the former stone-age inhabitants. Are you serious? There are whole tribes along the Eastern seaboard of what is now the United States that no longer exist or have been just as decimated as the Tainos because of British expansionist policies! Do you even know the history of this part of the world Mr. Stone? Edited on 6/14/2012 9:34 AM by cibaeño75. "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" - Voltaire |
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| #42 - Posted 14 June 2012, 9:16 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 6153 | RE: On Australia's Aborigines: What's the True Story Quote: RoyStone previously said: Arguably there would still be traditional Taino communities alive today had Hispanola been colonized by the British, and there would not be traditional Australian Aboriginal communities had Australia not been colonized by the British. Certainly the Australian continent would not have remained uninhabited by anyone but the former stone-age inhabitants. Nope, it would be just another post-plantation hellhole a la Jamaica or Haiti, so I'm glad they didn't. The best thing that could have happened to this island was the fact that Cromwell's ironsides failed in their attempt at taking it on 1655. Edited on 6/14/2012 9:23 AM by Lautaro. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #43 - Posted 14 June 2012, 9:38 AM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 6479 | RE: On Australia's Aborigines: What's the True Story Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: RoyStone previously said: Arguably there would still be traditional Taino communities alive today had Hispanola been colonized by the British, and there would not be traditional Australian Aboriginal communities had Australia not been colonized by the British. Certainly the Australian continent would not have remained uninhabited by anyone but the former stone-age inhabitants. Nope, it would be just another post-plantation hellhole a la Jamaica or Haiti, so I'm glad they didn't. The best thing that could have happened to this island was the fact that Cromwell's ironsides failed in their attempt at taking it on 1655. Oh Stone probably has no idea that our ancestors, those feral peasants, beat back a British expedition single handedly without help from "mother" Spain in 1655....they put their tail between their legs and made way for what was then Spanish Jamaica, which they were able to conquer and hold. "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" - Voltaire |
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| #44 - Posted 14 June 2012, 9:43 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 6153 | RE: On Australia's Aborigines: What's the True Story Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: RoyStone previously said: Arguably there would still be traditional Taino communities alive today had Hispanola been colonized by the British, and there would not be traditional Australian Aboriginal communities had Australia not been colonized by the British. Certainly the Australian continent would not have remained uninhabited by anyone but the former stone-age inhabitants. Nope, it would be just another post-plantation hellhole a la Jamaica or Haiti, so I'm glad they didn't. The best thing that could have happened to this island was the fact that Cromwell's ironsides failed in their attempt at taking it on 1655. Oh Stone probably has no idea that our ancestors, those feral peasants, beat back a British expedition single handedly without help from "mother" Spain in 1655....they put their tail between their legs and made way for what was then Spanish Jamaica, which they were able to conquer and hold. That's right primo. 2,400 badly equipped militia against 13,120 of the finest troops the so called Commonwealth had to offer. It was a glorious victory when seen in perspective, specially against such tremendous odds. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #45 - Posted 14 June 2012, 9:48 AM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 6479 | RE: On Australia's Aborigines: What's the True Story Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: RoyStone previously said: Arguably there would still be traditional Taino communities alive today had Hispanola been colonized by the British, and there would not be traditional Australian Aboriginal communities had Australia not been colonized by the British. Certainly the Australian continent would not have remained uninhabited by anyone but the former stone-age inhabitants. Nope, it would be just another post-plantation hellhole a la Jamaica or Haiti, so I'm glad they didn't. The best thing that could have happened to this island was the fact that Cromwell's ironsides failed in their attempt at taking it on 1655. Oh Stone probably has no idea that our ancestors, those feral peasants, beat back a British expedition single handedly without help from "mother" Spain in 1655....they put their tail between their legs and made way for what was then Spanish Jamaica, which they were able to conquer and hold. That's right primo. 2,400 badly equipped militia against 13,120 of the finest troops the so called Commonwealth had to offer. It was a glorious victory when seen in perspective, specially against such tremendous odds. It must have been a glorious site to watch the British troops retreat.. Dominican steel also met the Biritish under the expidition lead by Bernardo Galvez in what is now the American South during the American Revolution. Galvez's troops were composed by contingents from various parts of what was then Spain's New World empire, Dominicans among them. Edited on 6/14/2012 10:37 AM by cibaeño75. "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" - Voltaire |
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| #46 - Posted 14 June 2012, 9:55 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 6153 | RE: On Australia's Aborigines: What's the True Story Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: It must have been a glorious site to watch the British troops retreat.. Dominjican steel also met the Biritish under the expidition lead by Bernardo Galvez in what is now the American South during the American Revolution. Galvez's troops were composed by contingents from various parts of what was then Spain's New World empire, Dominicans among them. Yeah, I consider it a major faux pas on the part of our diplomatic service the fact that they haven't lobbied for the recognition of that aid as successfully as the Haitians had lobbied the one of their colored militia during the siege of Savannah. Such is the price to pay for having politiquería on our diplomatic corps, but then, for mr. Stone here we Dominicans are supposedly incapable of self-criticism. Edited on 6/14/2012 9:56 AM by Lautaro. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #47 - Posted 14 June 2012, 10:00 AM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 6479 | RE: On Australia's Aborigines: What's the True Story Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: It must have been a glorious site to watch the British troops retreat.. Dominjican steel also met the Biritish under the expidition lead by Bernardo Galvez in what is now the American South during the American Revolution. Galvez's troops were composed by contingents from various parts of what was then Spain's New World empire, Dominicans among them. Yeah, I consider it a major faux pas on the part of our diplomatic service the fact that they haven't lobbied for the recognition of that aid as successfully as the Haitians had lobbied the one of their colored militia during the siege of Savannah. Such is the price to pay for having politiquería on our diplomatic corps, but then, for mr. Stone here we Dominicans are supposedly incapable of self-criticism. There have been attempts by Hispanics in the South and Southwest to garnish a more illustrious position in American history books for Galvez and his expidtion but detractors are quick to point out that Galvez and his troops were serving the Spainish crown and her interests and not American liberty. But the same charge can be labeled against the French/Haitian forces that participated in the battle of Savannah. They were there because of orders from their mother country and no other reason. Edited on 6/14/2012 10:08 AM by cibaeño75. "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" - Voltaire |
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| #48 - Posted 14 June 2012, 10:08 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 6153 | RE: On Australia's Aborigines: What's the True Story Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: There have been attempts by Hispanics in the South and Southwest to garnish a more illustrious position in American history books for Galvez and his expidtion but detractors are quick to point out that Galvez and his troops were serving the Spainish crown and her interests and not American liberty. But the same charge can be labeled against the French/Haitian forces that participated in the battle of Savannah. They were there because of orders from there mother country and no other reason. Without mentioning the fact that the odds of war against France happening were greater than they were with Spain, specially due to the size of the Louisiana dominions and the problems that arose with the American revolutionary debt to French investors once the French Revolution happened and the Americans attempted to disentangle themselves from that debt, on the grounds that it was made with the French monarchy. On the French side of the coin, there was the fact that they were annoyed with the American merchants for their violating their "exlusif" (trade monopoly) with the colonies (specially regarding Saint Domingue) after the independence war was over, and the actions of their privateers against American shipping during the French revolutionary wars. Edited on 6/14/2012 10:09 AM by Lautaro. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #49 - Posted 14 June 2012, 10:43 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, United States Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 10819 | RE: On Australia's Aborigines: What's the True Story Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: There have been attempts by Hispanics in the South and Southwest to garnish a more illustrious position in American history books for Galvez and his expidtion but detractors are quick to point out that Galvez and his troops were serving the Spainish crown and her interests and not American liberty. But the same charge can be labeled against the French/Haitian forces that participated in the battle of Savannah. They were there because of orders from there mother country and no other reason. Without mentioning the fact that the odds of war against France happening were greater than they were with Spain, specially due to the size of the Louisiana dominions and the problems that arose with the American revolutionary debt to French investors once the French Revolution happened and the Americans attempted to disentangle themselves from that debt, on the grounds that it was made with the French monarchy. On the French side of the coin, there was the fact that they were annoyed with the American merchants for their violating their "exlusif" (trade monopoly) with the colonies (specially regarding Saint Domingue) after the independence war was over, and the actions of their privateers against American shipping during the French revolutionary wars. I read while visiting the area, that in the year 1520 when the first Spaniards arrived by ship, to what is now Charleston, South Carolina, they brought dozens of Taino indians, from Hispaniola, chosen for their strength and good appearance, to trade as slaves, and then these became part of the local indian community? Can anyone confirm this? Edited on 6/14/2012 10:44 AM by generoso. I am strong, able and calm. |
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| #50 - Posted 14 June 2012, 10:55 AM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 6479 | RE: On Australia's Aborigines: What's the True Story Quote: generoso previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: There have been attempts by Hispanics in the South and Southwest to garnish a more illustrious position in American history books for Galvez and his expidtion but detractors are quick to point out that Galvez and his troops were serving the Spainish crown and her interests and not American liberty. But the same charge can be labeled against the French/Haitian forces that participated in the battle of Savannah. They were there because of orders from there mother country and no other reason. Without mentioning the fact that the odds of war against France happening were greater than they were with Spain, specially due to the size of the Louisiana dominions and the problems that arose with the American revolutionary debt to French investors once the French Revolution happened and the Americans attempted to disentangle themselves from that debt, on the grounds that it was made with the French monarchy. On the French side of the coin, there was the fact that they were annoyed with the American merchants for their violating their "exlusif" (trade monopoly) with the colonies (specially regarding Saint Domingue) after the independence war was over, and the actions of their privateers against American shipping during the French revolutionary wars. I read while visiting the area, that in the year 1520 when the first Spaniards arrived by ship, to what is now Charleston, South Carolina, they brought dozens of Taino indians, from Hispaniola, chosen for their strength and good appearance, to trade as slaves, and then these became part of the local indian community? Can anyone confirm this? That was an expidition led by one Francisco Gordillo..I came up with nothing that indicates that he brought Tainos to South Carloina to barter with..on the contrary, he seemed to have been on a expidtion to capture new slaves. But who knows? Gordillo did start out from Santo Domingo, that much seems certain and lends a little weight to what you've heard. Edited on 6/14/2012 11:08 AM by cibaeño75. "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" - Voltaire |
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