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#61 - Posted 16 June 2012, 4:21 AM
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"...In the mean time this system of rapacity
and extortion had reduced the people to the most deplorable condition of poverty and wretchedness imaginable.

The monopoly of trade, and the violent
abduction of all their produce in the shape of taxes,
dispirited them to the most extreme degree, and
brought on the country those famines and diseases for
which that period is so celebrated.

In 1770 occurred that dreadful famine, which has throughout Europe
excited so much horror of the English. They have
been accused of having directly created it, by buying
up all the rice, and refusing to sell any of it except
at the most exorbitant price.


The author of the " Short History of the English Transactions in the
East Indies," thus boldly states the fact. Speaking
of the monopoly just alluded to, of salt, betel-nut, and
tobacco, he says, " Money in this current came but by
drops. It could not quench the thirst of those who
waited in India to receive it. An expedient, such as
it was, remained to quicken it. The natives could
live with little salt, but could not want food. Some
of the agents saw themselves well situated for collecting
the rice into stores ; they did so.

They knew that the Gentoos would rather die than violate the principles
of their religion by eating flesh. The alternative
would therefore be between giving what they had^ or
dying ! The inhabitants sunk. They that cultivated
the land, and saw the harvest at the disposal of others,
planted in doubt; scarcity ensued. Then the monopoly
was easier managed,—sickness ensued. In some
districts, the languid living left the bodies of their
numerous dead unburied."—p. 145.

Many and ingenious have been the attempts to
remove this awful opprobrium from our national character.
It has been contended that famines are, or were of frequent occurrence in India;—that the
natives had no providence ; and that to charge the
English with the miserable consequences of this
famine is unreasonable, because it was what they could
neither foresee nor prevent

Of the drought in the previous autumn there is no doubt ; but there is unhappily
as little, that the regular rapacity of the
English had reduced the natives to that condition of
poverty, apathy, and despair, in which the slightest
derangement of season must superinduce famine
;
—that they were grown callous to the sufferings of
their victims, and were as alive to their gain by the
rising price through the scarcity, as they were in all
other cases. Their object was sudden wealth, and they
cared not, in fact, whether the natives lived or died,
so that that object was effected. This is the relation
of the Abbe Raynal, a foreign historian, and the light
in which this event was beheld by foreign nations...."

Quote from "Colonization and Christianity: a popular history of the treatment of the natives by the Europeans in all their colonies (1838)" by William Howitt (English himself) see p 268 of the pdf below and other chapters

http://archive.org/details/colonizationchri00howirich

Karl Marx in the Capital all says that over 1 million of natives died in india due to this famine orchestred by the British colonizer.

British acted like gansters in India and treated the natives like slaves. Not counting what they did in other places, Howitt was english but he doesn't beat around the bush about their exactions all over the world...

Thank you Nehesy..unbelievable that in this day and age some would act as if certain historical incidents never happened when the historical record is there for all to see.

Now, I would like to recall an earliest stage on the history and explain how this horrendous atrocity begun:

The British Empire sent their Spies to incursion into the Land, disguised as Monks, their work consisted on gathering all relevant information about the Hindu Classes Systems' and her Geo-Political structures.

When they had have all the necessary Information, they started what is known as the Divide and Conquer methodology (which was commonly used during the Roman Empire); that is, they incited the Powerful against each other by gossip and made up intent of aggression until they arouse in arm, the internal wars begun and they all bleed, weaken as they were it was just a matter of days until they felt into the hand of the Oppressor.

Roy, do you have something to add or it is some kind of made up stories ?
Yes, please Mr. Stone come and tell us ...
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Now, I would like to recall an earliest stage on the history and explain how this horrendous atrocity begun:

The British Empire sent their Spies to incursion into the Land, disguised as Monks, their work consisted on gathering all relevant information about the Hindu Classes Systems' and her Geo-Political structures.

When they had have all the necessary Information, they started what is known as the Divide and Conquer methodology (which was commonly used during the Roman Empire); that is, they incited the Powerful against each other by gossip and made up intent of aggression until they arouse in arm, the internal wars begun and they all bleed, weaken as they were it was just a matter of days until they felt into the hand of the Oppressor.

Roy, do you have something to add or it is some kind of made up stories ?
Yes, please Mr. Stone come and tell us ...


I thought Ricky and I already explained that Anglophobic propaganda is not history, even if by an Englishman. Some of the most scurrilous anti-American propaganda has been by US residents, including on this site.

Divide and conquer? The Indian sub-continent was already divided horizontally by the caste system, (subsequently outlawed by the British), and geographically by the maharaja kingdoms, (subsequently unified by the British) long before British rule. Greater India was only divided into India and Pakistan by Islam. India and Pakistan are still fighting each other over territory, over half a century after independence from Britain.

When you start reading reliable, unbiased sources then you might start to learn something. I can’t be bothered trying to educate unteachable Anglophobes any more.
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#63 - Posted 16 June 2012, 8:06 AM
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Great imagination by some writers here using all the writings of communists and socialists to generate these stories...So the British were responsible for the famines in India , they were responsibe for genocide in genocide in India and in China. There most certainly were famines in India and they were in the Princley states ,,more than 150 of them and in some areas administered directly by the British ,,The population was 400 million to 500 million then and of course there was a massive loss of life ,,but how can any one posibly say it was genocidal policy of the British and that they were responsible for the famines ...only Marx etc. Of course, in China the colonial powers were all there except Spain vying for trade the major cities in the south especially were under control of the British for a short time with Hong Kong staying the longest ,There were no policies by the British for causing deaths and in fact , if you were to visit Canton and Shanghai even now you would be amazed at the British legacy of buildings , roads andpublic buildings
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Great imagination by some writers here using all the writings of communists and socialists to generate these stories...So the British were responsible for the famines in India , they were responsibe for genocide in genocide in India and in China. There most certainly were famines in India and they were in the Princley states ,,more than 150 of them and in some areas administered directly by the British ,,The population was 400 million to 500 million then and of course there was a massive loss of life ,,but how can any one posibly say it was genocidal policy of the British and that they were responsible for the famines ...only Marx etc. Of course, in China the colonial powers were all there except Spain vying for trade the major cities in the south especially were under control of the British for a short time with Hong Kong staying the longest ,There were no policies by the British for causing deaths and in fact , if you were to visit Canton and Shanghai even now you would be amazed at the British legacy of buildings , roads andpublic buildings



Yes, amazing what the British did in China, selling all those drugs there and all. Give me a break.
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Now, I would like to recall an earliest stage on the history and explain how this horrendous atrocity begun:

The British Empire sent their Spies to incursion into the Land, disguised as Monks, their work consisted on gathering all relevant information about the Hindu Classes Systems' and her Geo-Political structures.

When they had have all the necessary Information, they started what is known as the Divide and Conquer methodology (which was commonly used during the Roman Empire); that is, they incited the Powerful against each other by gossip and made up intent of aggression until they arouse in arm, the internal wars begun and they all bleed, weaken as they were it was just a matter of days until they felt into the hand of the Oppressor.

Roy, do you have something to add or it is some kind of made up stories ?
Yes, please Mr. Stone come and tell us ...


I thought Ricky and I already explained that Anglophobic propaganda is not history, even if by an Englishman. Some of the most scurrilous anti-American propaganda has been by US residents, including on this site.

Divide and conquer? The Indian sub-continent was already divided horizontally by the caste system, (subsequently outlawed by the British), and geographically by the maharaja kingdoms, (subsequently unified by the British) long before British rule. Greater India was only divided into India and Pakistan by Islam. India and Pakistan are still fighting each other over territory, over half a century after independence from Britain.

When you start reading reliable, unbiased sources then you might start to learn something. I can’t be bothered trying to educate unteachable Anglophobes any more.

The truth hurts, isn't it ?
Of course, they were divided; does that mean that they didn't arrange to live in peace and respect of each other ?
IT IS Amazing that a foreigner come in and could, let us say, with a Touch of Magic unite them
Do You Really know WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

Anglo-phobic Propagandas Please, Give a Break (?) No, It is too good to be true
Edited on 6/16/2012 9:57 AM by tschotschua.
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101 East

Australia's Lost Generation


http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/101east/2012/07/2012716122018878595.html


Australian aboriginal youth suicide rates are among the highest in the world, so how can communities save their youths?

101 East Last Modified: 20 Jul 2012 04:27


Young Aborigines are four times more likely to commit suicide than non-indigenous Australians. Experts and aboriginal elders believe a variety of reasons drive aboriginal youth to suicide, including a disconnection from traditional culture and land.

In Western Australia’s Kimberley region suicide has reached epidemic proportions, with one suicide every week on average since the end of December 2011.

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Many new programmes are trying to stem the tide. Community rangers in the Kimberley are now being trained in suicide intervention as part of a rapid response team.

The Balunu Foundation uses cultural traditions to help build the self-esteem of at-risk youths - by organising camps where aboriginal youths can reconnect back to their land and culture.

In the east Arnhem-land community of Ski Beach in the country's north an unfunded group of elderly women run a suicide night watch to prevent at-risk youths from harming themselves.

Dr Pat Dudgeon, Australia’s leading aboriginal mental health practitioner, is from the Kimberley region herself and she is starting Australia’s first National Suicide Prevention Strategy that targets aboriginals specifically.

101 East visits remote aboriginal communities which have seen a spate of young suicides and looks at some of the desperate attempts by some of the worst affected aboriginal communities to save their young.


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Years ago the government spent millions on the Black Deaths in Custody Royal Commission because of concern over the number of Aborigines who commit suicide in jail. However there are far more suicides every year by white fathers who lose contact with their children resulting from Family Court decisions - about 1,400 every year. Yet there is no Royal Commission for them.
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Roystone quips: "Your ancestors enslaved then exterminated the Tainos."

An ignorant statement at best. A flat out lie at worse. Explain, then, Mr. Stone, why there are individuals such as myself walking around with Amerindian genetic markers if our ancestors "exterminated" the Tainos. The Tainos are among our ancestors and that is fact.


I cant believe you actually responded to Roy's assertion with this comment. Im here laughing all over the floor. It is absolutely clear that Taino Indians are extinct, it is also clear they were enslaved. I think the better approach to Roy's comments were to show how aborigines in his country suffered in some way the same treatment, bumt to say that Tainos are not extinct because a fool like you think you are walking around with their genetic markers is ridiculous.

I see more Dominicans walking around with the genetic markers of African slaves than I do Taino Indians. does this mean African slaves are among your ancestors as well?


What you failed to do is make a distinction. The Taino's were never exterminated buy yes most definitely decimated. Had they completely disappeared as in "extinct" there would have been amy trace of them left and that is not exactly the case.

True they disappeared as a separate culture, but they are still very much alive today and evidence of their presence was scientifically proven through genetic studies, in addition to the many aspects of the Dominican culture which screams of Taino influences by the use of words in our every day lexicon, foods eaten and cultural habits that come as second nature to many Dominicans unaware it has deep Taino roots.
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