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#1 - Posted 5 July 2012, 11:40 AM
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Tim Staermose on July 5, 2012

July 5, 2012
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Fourteen years ago during the Asian financial crisis, Indonesia endured a currency collapse, a severe 2-year recession, and an embarrassing IMF bailout.

Western bureaucrats wagged their fingers incessantly at Indonesia, lecturing the country about the dangers of excess and fiscal irresponsibility.

How sweet the irony is. In a stunning rags-to-riches story, Indonesia contributed US$1 billion to the IMF last week in order to help bail out bankrupt Western nations.

As I’ve written before, unlike Japan, the US, and Europe — which all seem to think the answer to an economic bust brought on by a debt-binge is to borrow and spend even more money– Indonesia took its medicine when its economy collapsed back in 1998.

The government cut spending. The economy was de-regulated and thrown open to more foreign investment.

The banking system was restructured, and after a difficult and admittedly very painful two years, the foundation was laid for new economic expansion, which continues to this day.

To be sure, the 1998 collapse of the Indonesian economy cost the incumbent political elite here their cushy positions. President Suharto’s three-decade long iron-grip came to an ignominious end. There were riots in the streets, and he was literally turfed out of office.

But so what? That’s EXACTLY what was needed. Part of the renewal process should always be to ship out the dead wood.

Wandering the streets of Menteng this week, Jakarta’s most up-market residential suburb, it’s as though the Suharto era never existed. The street where he used to live is just another non-descript, quiet, residential street in this leafy inner-city suburb.

Ironically, US President Barack Obama spent some of his childhood in this same suburb of Jakarta.

Unfortunately, as he pulls out all stops to cling to power for a second term, the kind of tough decisions that could help the US emerge from its economic malaise have no chance of being made.

Lest anyone accuse me of being “anti-Obama” or, shock-horror, FOR the Republicans, let me state emphatically that the PROBLEM is not one side of the aisle or the other. In fact, whoever coined the terms “Demopublicans” and “Repulicrats,” is right on the money in my book.

It’s the ENTIRE system that’s the problem. And that goes for nearly every Western, “free market,” democracy out there.

I use the term “free market” reluctantly, because these economies are anything but. There has not been a true free market economy anywhere in the Western world for many decades.

The most important price of all — that of MONEY — is completely rigged by a small band of dark-suited men who sit around an impressive boardroom table and DECREE what interest rates should be. It is a farce.

Moreover, politicians from opposing sides of the political spectrum may disagree in public and harangue each other in the press.

But, at the end of the day, they’re generally all members of the same club– a cabal of privileged, self-righteous individuals who think they know how to spend your money better than you do.

This system has a vice grip on society, and nothing short of a revolution– such as what Indonesia experienced in 1998– will force any change.

That leaves most people with a rather interesting choice—stay at home in a declining, bankrupt, insolvent nation and hope that a social and political revolution comes quickly…

… or head to greener pastures, to a place that’s stable, thriving, and has already swallowed its medicine.

Here at Sovereign Man, we strongly urge you to come on in. The water’s fine, and the view is much better from this side.

Tim Staermose
Chief Investment Strategist
Sovereign Man


http://www.sovereignman.com/expat/guess-whos-bailing-out-bankrupt-western-governments-now/




Edited on 7/5/2012 11:41 AM by anthonyC.
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#2 - Posted 5 July 2012, 12:06 PM
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why, thank you, anthonyc. you post an article which agrees with what i have been trying to drill into your brain for the longest time ..there is no such thing as the ¨free market¨.
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You can add Sweden and South Korea to that list of countries that took their hard medicine in the 1990s and have since out performed the rest. I don't think anyone ever said that a perfectly free market exist in anything, it's more like what balance or mix should a nation take on that matters. In the case of the DR, having the government involved in mining, electricity and other sectors has made these sectors wasteful and driven up fiscal deficits. No two countries are alike and so EACH country must continually adjust their sails moving forward. Those that are prudent reap the benefits, while those that allow corruption and mismanagement to rule waste their chances at prosperity.

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says Atabey

In the case of the DR, having the government involved in mining, electricity and other sectors has made these sectors wasteful and driven up fiscal deficits.

what has the role of government been in mining? how has it caused fiscal deficits, as you call it?
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says Atabey

In the case of the DR, having the government involved in mining, electricity and other sectors have made these sectors wasteful and driven up fiscal deficits.

what has the role of government been in mining? how has it caused fiscal deficits, as you call it?



I could be wrong, but Wasn't it the government of Antonio Guzman that paid dearly for nationalization of the mines owned by Falconbridge Dominicana (Falcondo) ?


My bad, it was the Rosario gold mining operation.

"The Dominican Republic has not remained aloof from these trends. Last October, President Guzman nationalized Rosario Dominicano, a US-owned gold mining subsidiary, for a cash payment of about $72 million."


But the point still stands: poor government handling/management of the mining sector.



Edited on 7/5/2012 7:19 PM by Atabey.

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says Atabey

In the case of the DR, having the government involved in mining, electricity and other sectors have made these sectors wasteful and driven up fiscal deficits.

what has the role of government been in mining? how has it caused fiscal deficits, as you call it?



I could be wrong, but Wasn't it the government of Antonio Guzman that paid dearly for nationalization of the mines owned by Falconbridge Dominicana (Falcondo) ?


My bad, it was the Rosario gold mining operation.

"The Dominican Republic has not remained aloof from these trends. Last October, President Guzman nationalized Rosario Dominicano, a US-owned gold mining subsidiary, for a cash payment of about $72 million."


But the point still stands: poor government handling/management of the mining sector.






Is their anything that the Government manages better than the Private sector?
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asks anthonyc

Is their anything that the Government manages better than the Private sector?

the things that the private sector CANNOT accomplish, such as the space program.
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Is their anything that the Government manages better than the Private sector?




Nobody?


Nothing?


Nobody even want to try?
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We have been this route before. Of course the health service, government run, in the UK is such a failure that over over 60 years people have repeatably voted for it to be privatized.

Problem is that in every country bar the US the ballot boxes are rigged.

Housing corporations is the UK are government run to provide affordable housing and turn into reality the right to housing the people enjoy.

School systems that score highest in international comparisons are all state run.

Railways, France, China, Germany etc. are state run.

Shall I go on?

S.




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Is their anything that the Government manages better than the Private sector?




Nobody?


Nothing?


Nobody even want to try?

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School systems that score highest in international comparisons are all state run.

Railways, France, China, Germany etc. are state run.

Shall I go on?





You can keep trying.

Private Schools dominate in academic achievement.

Private Railways are vastly superior when allowed to operate independently. Just compare Amtrak with the private freight lines.
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