| #21 - Posted 21 December 2008, 11:25 PM | |
Location: United States, Richmond, Texas Join date: May 2008 Member #: 733 Posts: 2313 | RE: Sticks and Stones It is not a matter of not caring or thinking I am above the individuals in the country I am working in. I spent 6 years in Venezuela and am married to a wonderful Venezuelan woman and we have a house in a barrio. #19 Calle las Cruz, Sector Agua Potable, arriba, Pozuelos Puerto la Cruz. Who are you to tell me what I have lived, where I have been. My father in law has a bodega in the street level of his home or a colmado as it is called in the DR. I worked in Haiti and lived in a 12 x 12 foot plywood room constructed inside of a warehouse of the old GTE assembly plant for 6 months, there were plenty of people in PAP who lived better than I did. When in Colombia I lived in an apartment in Bogata. Just as I mentioned in my earlier post you assume that because I am American when I work overseas I live in a 300 square meter place with servants and all that crap and you actually get mad at the idea. Or is it the envy that Cibby spoke about. You guys just dont have a clue. Tell me what I said that was negative about LA countries and or the cultures. Get you butts to the Pueblo Viejo mine site and confirm what I said about it and write back and tell me that I am wrong. Edited on 12/21/2008 11:28 PM by texasshoe. "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have"-Thomas Jefferson "United by purpose, bound by honor", La Hermandad Texasshoe From Houston |
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| #22 - Posted 22 December 2008, 12:00 AM | |
Location: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me Join date: December 2007 Member #: 9 Posts: 13562 | RE: Sticks and Stones Quote: texasshoe previously said: It is not a matter of not caring or thinking I am above the individuals in the country I am working in. I spent 6 years in Venezuela and am married to a wonderful Venezuelan woman and we have a house in a barrio. #19 Calle las Cruz, Sector Agua Potable, arriba, Pozuelos Puerto la Cruz. Who are you to tell me what I have lived, where I have been. My father in law has a bodega in the street level of his home or a colmado as it is called in the DR. I worked in Haiti and lived in a 12 x 12 foot plywood room constructed inside of a warehouse of the old GTE assembly plant for 6 months, there were plenty of people in PAP who lived better than I did. When in Colombia I lived in an apartment in Bogata. Just as I mentioned in my earlier post you assume that because I am American when I work overseas I live in a 300 square meter place with servants and all that crap and you actually get mad at the idea. Or is it the envy that Cibby spoke about. You guys just dont have a clue. Tell me what I said that was negative about LA countries and or the cultures. Get you butts to the Pueblo Viejo mine site and confirm what I said about it and write back and tell me that I am wrong. Good tor you Tex ...wack em again ....those guys have been nowhere in their lives yet claim an urbanity that goes with there dumbass misplaced macho pride Edited on 12/22/2008 6:16 AM by gouletcolonial. lets get ready to RUUMMMMMMBBBLLLEE |
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| #23 - Posted 22 December 2008, 3:53 AM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10196 | RE: Sticks and Stones TS, there are very few developing countries the size of DR with locally owned companies with track records of taking part in major mining developments. http://www.infomine.com/index/pr/PA300910.PDF Nearly all the work is specialized and requires international expertise, Trust is a matter of track record, management and resources. In some situations countries such as Vietnam insist that such a project should have local partners so this expertise is built up. But the negociating strength of the government to enforce such conditions varies from situation to situation. To some extent countries like Canada do not encourage developing country companies to compete in their markets due to visa restrictions etc. so expertise is difficult to transfer. I guess oil producing countries have gone further down the road of promoting local companies/expertise. But due to capital markets it is often only state enterprises that can operate. Access to working capital at sensible rates, infrastructure etc. is often not available for the private sector. S. Edited on 12/22/2008 3:55 AM by abc200. |
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| #24 - Posted 22 December 2008, 10:08 AM | |
Location: United States, Richmond, Texas Join date: May 2008 Member #: 733 Posts: 2313 | RE: Sticks and Stones Quote: abc200 previously said: TS, there are very few developing countries the size of DR with locally owned companies with track records of taking part in major mining developments. http://www.infomine.com/index/pr/PA300910.PDF Nearly all the work is specialized and requires international expertise, Trust is a matter of track record, management and resources. In some situations countries such as Vietnam insist that such a project should have local partners so this expertise is built up. But the negociating strength of the government to enforce such conditions varies from situation to situation. To some extent countries like Canada do not encourage developing country companies to compete in their markets due to visa restrictions etc. so expertise is difficult to transfer. I guess oil producing countries have gone further down the road of promoting local companies/expertise. But due to capital markets it is often only state enterprises that can operate. Access to working capital at sensible rates, infrastructure etc. is often not available for the private sector. S. ABC, Outside of the construction aspect of the mine itself your telling me that there are no Dominican companies that can handle the services side of the contract. ( Cooking, janatorial, maintenance on the camp and laundry for the residence). That is what is done in every hotel regardless of size, every resort, every bed and breakfast. A service contract is a service contract no matter where in the world it is. By my last estimate it is worth about 30 million US annually, and your saying NO ONE locally can handle it. "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have"-Thomas Jefferson "United by purpose, bound by honor", La Hermandad Texasshoe From Houston |
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| #25 - Posted 22 December 2008, 10:41 AM | |
Location: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1307 Posts: 10196 | RE: Sticks and Stones From my discussions with local busnessmen et.c it would seem that they need to borrow money to finance. This is at 18-25% p.a. with security required. An interenational services organisation can borrow at 5% . Often also they do not need to import specialised equipment - only lease to subsiduary. Food etc is the result of World Wide negociations. Everything must be in place on day 1 or soon after. I think the barriers to entry on this market are high and profitability uncertain. Very often governments insist on 'local content' - not in this case it would seem. From my experience in bidding to multinationals drilling in the North Sea its was very difficult to make headway although we passed competency tests - eg approved suppliers. In the end the UK government listed equipment / services etc. that must be supplied locally. Cooks etc. from Banglasdesh were a lot cheaper. S. |
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| #26 - Posted 22 December 2008, 11:59 AM | |
Location: United States, Richmond, Texas Join date: May 2008 Member #: 733 Posts: 2313 | RE: Sticks and Stones Quote: abc200 previously said: From my discussions with local busnessmen et.c it would seem that they need to borrow money to finance. This is at 18-25% p.a. with security required. An interenational services organisation can borrow at 5% . Often also they do not need to import specialised equipment - only lease to subsiduary. Food etc is the result of World Wide negociations. Everything must be in place on day 1 or soon after. I think the barriers to entry on this market are high and profitability uncertain. Very often governments insist on 'local content' - not in this case it would seem. From my experience in bidding to multinationals drilling in the North Sea its was very difficult to make headway although we passed competency tests - eg approved suppliers. In the end the UK government listed equipment / services etc. that must be supplied locally. Cooks etc. from Banglasdesh were a lot cheaper. S. Obviously not having read my earlier posts, I was involved in the bidding of this job when Placer Dome was the operator and again when Barrick took over the property. The "investment" by the service provider is minimal and as a matter of course a job this size provides for a "Mobilization Fee" i.e. purchases of hard assets. The buildings (provided by another contractor under seperate contract) come equiped with all revelant items such as stoves, ovens, boilers, serving lines etc. The living quarters come with all equipment, beds, mattereses, pillows. Once again I ask the question, with all of the resort operators, sucessful restaurants and wealthy individuals willing to invest for a return on investment capitol are there NO DOMINICAN Companies that can provide the services on their own? I know there are and yet they were locked out of the bidding process. The RFP documents state "Dominican Companies and labor must be utilized to the fullest extent possible" Dominican law also stipulates that any foriegn firm wishing to do business must have a local partner with a Dominican citizen holding a position of utmost senior management and the board of the partnership company must be majority Dominican. Who is fleeceing who. "A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have"-Thomas Jefferson "United by purpose, bound by honor", La Hermandad Texasshoe From Houston |
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| #27 - Posted 22 December 2008, 7:45 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 16654 | RE: Sticks and Stones texasshoe, i know where you are coming from. sadly, many people who live in the DR, and who have never travelled, will never understand you. let me give you a simple anecdote to explain what i am saying. yesterday, i sent an email to the Dean of studies in the school of economics at a university in california. i requested help in setting up a small academy, to teach basic economics and inrtoduction to business; these are courses which are sadly lacking here. at 7.09 am, this morning, he had replied to me, with all the information i can use, permission to reprint and distribute excerpts from his textbook, and a promise to help further, on request. contrast that with the department of trade here, to which i sent 5 emails a year ago, and from which i am yet to receive a single reply. people in the developed world take efficiency, punctuality, and a sense of responsibility for granted, and that is why things work properly. people in the third world get around to things when they feel like it, and are not serious about anything. that is why people here complain about foreigners who have companies here, who expect them to show up on time for work. in places like america. punctuality and attention to work are not options. |
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| #28 - Posted 22 December 2008, 8:05 PM | |
Location: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me Join date: December 2007 Member #: 9 Posts: 13562 | RE: Sticks and Stones Quote: dreadlocks previously said: texasshoe, i know where you are coming from. sadly, many people who live in the DR, and who have never travelled, will never understand you. let me give you a simple anecdote to explain what i am saying. yesterday, i sent an email to the Dean of studies in the school of economics at a university in california. i requested help in setting up a small academy, to teach basic economics and inrtoduction to business; these are courses which are sadly lacking here. at 7.09 am, this morning, he had replied to me, with all the information i can use, permission to reprint and distribute excerpts from his textbook, and a promise to help further, on request. contrast that with the department of trade here, to which i sent 5 emails a year ago, and from which i am yet to receive a single reply. people in the developed world take efficiency, punctuality, and a sense of responsibility for granted, and that is why things work properly. people in the third world get around to things when they feel like it, and are not serious about anything. that is why people here complain about foreigners who have companies here, who expect them to show up on time for work. in places like america. punctuality and attention to work are not options. Dread I am seriously happy to hear of your endeavor ...Good Luck lets get ready to RUUMMMMMMBBBLLLEE |
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| #29 - Posted 22 December 2008, 8:37 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: December 2007 Member #: 4 Posts: 16654 | RE: Sticks and Stones GC, i seriously appreciate your kind sentiments. but, i guess you understand the nature of my posting. here is a man with tremendous responsibilities, yet he can reply to me at 3am , his time (the email came in at 7am, and we are 4 hours ahead). bear in mind i was asking for a favor, yet he attended to me with a sense of urgency that people who live in places such as this will never understand. at 3 am, we are dancing the bachata and drinking Barcelo, if we are not sleeping. responding to enquiries? i don't think so! |
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| #30 - Posted 22 December 2008, 8:43 PM | |
Location: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me Join date: December 2007 Member #: 9 Posts: 13562 | RE: Sticks and Stones dread I know many educators they are usually very dedicated people ....giving is its own reward as you well know ...to make a difference in peoples lives is worth more than treasure lets get ready to RUUMMMMMMBBBLLLEE |
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