Cibaeño75, wonderful remark, just wonderful. As you can see, there is something pejorative, derogatory in the word “nacionalist”, but we do not have a better usual word for the person who support his or her nation. “Patriotism” is a so high skill that you need something more than your love for your nation for to use the word "patriot" (you actually have to prove it).
I am absolutely sure it was not Manhattanite’s goal to get into the chorus of the people asking for no borders in our island but to use the word “nationalism” as something as bad as the pest is one of the resources used against us. There are no nations, some people say, the birds do not know anything about borders, so what are we doing we that border still in the same place? I listened some people from the United Kingdom destroying us because we are fighting so hard and “with no mercy” for our land. Can you believe that? A British! (Precisely some days later the United Kingdom was hardening its immigration laws)
There are borders all around this planet (the borders of the nations). It could be in other way but “it is” in that way and if the borders are going to be something of the past someday our border in not going to be the first to fall down. Put it as you like it, but you know that we are going to defend our border, that border that so many interested people do not want to see.
Nice to talk with you, Cibaeño75.
(Kmnupe, I am not talking about Haitians… just in case. Greetings my friend).

PeRod I do believe there can be positive nationalists, meaning nationalists whose activities end up benefiting the people materially. An important distinction you brought up is that nationalists and nationalism have very concrete existence in the form of politics, parties, organizations and the state. Every successful people does absolutely need to have some nationalists and organizations engaged in pragmatic, active defense of real world material interests. However we all know the saying about power and corruption right? It is very very easy for movements and men who are nationalistic to engage in excesses. Extreme excesses even! The nationalist mentality is built for it. Can one be both? Yes, for a while, but at some point you will face choices between principles and material/political gain, whether for yourself or your organization or the state. Unlike the patriot the nationalist will more often make darker choices which he justifies because it is for the nation (often 'the nation' being himself and those like him in society). How many members of DR's political elite are proud flag-waving nationalists? Yet see the kinds of choices they make?

Another difference I considered this afternoon: patriots will find themselves making impassioned pleas to hesitant audiences, while nationalists are often to be found rabble-rousing the mob.

I've decided to go into the vigilante business. My name will be Hellas Antilles, crusader of wisdom and punisher of folly. That's me in costume hunting down lowly ignorant dog-men with my Fire-arm of Furious Philosophy. You should see my Hammer of Heavenly Sophistry, it's a real killer.

What's up PeRod?

I'm not sensitive like that man. I keep an open mind when it comes to other people's views and how events and circumstances affect them.What I dislike is showing disdain for fellow beings.


You're right, there's no good/bad nationalist/patriot. Cibaeno's breakdown and Manhattanite's post #12 is well understood by me. Action determines the labeling of an individual into either category.

Manhattanite, you are certifiably insane..now go hunt down arkatype and other such dog-men with your furious firearm, you nut you .LOL

My man you are right on the money.

To me a Patriot and a nationalist are pretty much the same but only the patriot will make the ultimate sacrifice for the land.

Now a couple of quotes from my never ending google library.

“PATRIOT: One to whom the interests of a part seem superior to those of the whole. The dupe of statesmen and the tool of conquerors.”
By Ambrose Bierce.



“The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.”

By George Orwell.

Patriot is from (Pater ) my forefather, my land
Nationalist is from (Nacer) nation , my felloyw citizen
Why this vain rethoric ?
A patriot cares about thecountry,the beaches,.the moutains.the land . , and the historical monuments that his forfathers had left him and does not not give a dam about the other people who were born in the same country as the NATIONALIST does.
That was simple. The Patriot will defend his country and the Nationalist will defend the nation (the people)

I think that's an excellent way to put it as well, IMO

etiennc01, good point, but there is something more than etymology in all this. There is something about how we actually use the words.

Patriotism is the superior characteristic that a citizen can have. There is nothing more after patriotism. Nationalism has to see with the support of the national values (tangibles and intangibles) but it does not tell anything about how passionately a person is going to support those values.

As I see this, nationalism is the casual wear for a citizen and patriotism is the formal wear.