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#21 - Posted 22 January 2009, 3:05 PM
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As I see this, nationalism is the casual wear for a citizen and patriotism is the formal wear.



Nice metaphor PeRod! Thanks all for contributions to the thread.

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Haven't found it on DVD, but looks like it will be a worthy laugh when I find it.
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#22 - Posted 30 January 2009, 2:33 PM
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Good post. As many things, the degree that one considers himself patriotic or nationalistic is a matter of perspective. We've seen great men/women throughout history who have labeled themselves as one or the other, or both. I see a patriot as being both patriotic and having a sense of national pride without a lot of the nationalistic rhetoric needed to incite masses.
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#23 - Posted 30 January 2009, 2:44 PM
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Good post. As many things, the degree that one considers himself patriotic or nationalistic is a matter of perspective. We've seen great men/women throughout history who have labeled themselves as one or the other, or both. I see a patriot as being both patriotic and having a sense of national pride without a lot of the nationalistic rhetoric needed to incite masses.


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#24 - Posted 30 January 2009, 5:35 PM
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Thanks. Yes, as you have noticed I am new to the board. Definetly some good conversation on here. Nice to see some people actually "get it" in terms of understanding issues broader than your everyday topics.
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#25 - Posted 30 January 2009, 10:53 PM
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STO DGO/DR was invaded six times (1801, 1805, 1822, 1845, 1849, and 1855 and Soulouque threatened to re-invade in 1859!) and so STO DGO/DR has no option but to make alliance or be govern by an european power to keep the Haitian off!!!! Twice we asked Spain to rule STO DGO/DR to keep the Haitian at bay (1809 and 1860). You must blame the Haitian for forcing STO DGO abandon its independence (11/1821) and return to European control! Santana is one of the few man (Duverge) that fought the invading and colonizing Haitian forces and after the 1855 Haitian invasion, the DR population were sick of the numerous Haitian invasion that a large fraction of the population pushed Santana to indeed ask the Spain to take control! The annexation of 1860 GAVE US DAJABON AND CAPOTILLO BACK FROM THE HAITIAN HANDS who kept these territories during the 1855 retreat!

I, personally, thank Santana for delaying the conquest of DR by the Haitians (who are conquering DR by other means today).

Patriotism also means loving, protecting, nupturing, and defending the flora, fauna, the geology, the coast, ocean, and bodies of water (rivers, lakes, swamps,etc.) and similarly the culture (music, art, writing, past time, language, religion, etc.) from foreign values and cultures. It is also include shaping the attitude, vision, behavior, expectation, thinking process (critical thinking), and believes of the citizenry so as to protect and nupture DR!!!
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#26 - Posted 31 January 2009, 12:53 PM
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Well said.
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#27 - Posted 31 January 2009, 7:22 PM
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Patriotism also means loving, protecting, nupturing, and defending the flora, fauna, the geology, the coast, ocean, and bodies of water (rivers, lakes, swamps,etc.) and similarly the culture (music, art, writing, past time, language, religion, etc.) from foreign values and cultures. It is also include shaping the attitude, vision, behavior, expectation, thinking process (critical thinking), and believes of the citizenry so as to protect and nupture DR!!!


I agree with your statement however what percentage would you place on Dominicans.

I'll be generous.

10%
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#28 - Posted 26 August 2009, 12:05 PM
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STO DGO/DR was invaded six times (1801, 1805, 1822, 1845, 1849, and 1855 and Soulouque threatened to re-invade in 1859!) and so STO DGO/DR has no option but to make alliance or be govern by an european power to keep the Haitian off!!!! Twice we asked Spain to rule STO DGO/DR to keep the Haitian at bay (1809 and 1860). You must blame the Haitian for forcing STO DGO abandon its independence (11/1821) and return to European control! Santana is one of the few man (Duverge) that fought the invading and colonizing Haitian forces and after the 1855 Haitian invasion, the DR population were sick of the numerous Haitian invasion that a large fraction of the population pushed Santana to indeed ask the Spain to take control! The annexation of 1860 GAVE US DAJABON AND CAPOTILLO BACK FROM THE HAITIAN HANDS who kept these territories during the 1855 retreat!

I, personally, thank Santana for delaying the conquest of DR by the Haitians (who are conquering DR by other means today).

Patriotism also means loving, protecting, nupturing, and defending the flora, fauna, the geology, the coast, ocean, and bodies of water (rivers, lakes, swamps,etc.) and similarly the culture (music, art, writing, past time, language, religion, etc.) from foreign values and cultures. It is also include shaping the attitude, vision, behavior, expectation, thinking process (critical thinking), and believes of the citizenry so as to protect and nupture DR!!!



this is for the mascot who doesnt know what is the definition of a patriot is since he thinks everybody who believe we should deport all the illegal haitian back to their country is racist bigot to him.

he emailed the moderator that i had been hickjacking all his thread and asked for my banning. i cant no longer post in his thread since he will go running back again to the moderator
but this is the best post i found from the thread you took your inspiration from.

read it and see the definition of it.
MIENTRAS NO SE ESCARMIENTE A LOS TRAIDORES COMO SE DEBE, LOS BUENOS Y VERDADEROS DOMINICANOS SERAN SIEMPRE VICTIMAS DE SUS MAQUINACIONES
JUAN PABLO DUARTE
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#29 - Posted 26 August 2009, 1:03 PM
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The patriot says these are the lands and the wealth that my forefathers have left and the nationalist says let share with our less fortunate cousins
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#30 - Posted 26 August 2009, 1:46 PM
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The patriot says these are the lands and the wealth that my forefathers have left and the nationalist says let share with our less fortunate cousins



etiennc i though you retired. tell me what are you missing nowdays? vacanos telling you every now and then how things should be run? desahogate con tu vacanos nevertheless your sarcasm hit it right in the head.
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