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Cibaeño75, excuse me. I supposed that it was obvious that I was talking about the period after the terrorist attack on September 11. And yes, “it's been thoroughly documented that [you] as a nation… were led into war based on lies” (I think the right word is “misinformation”, nobody did it on purpose) but Saddam Husseim in power was a nightmare for United States and a lot of Americans (and I mean a lot) are alive and safe because he is dead (perhaps even you, my dear friend). He was supporting any attack against the first power in the world with billions in his hands. It was imperative to do something. Perhaps you did not like, but actually something was done.
As you can see, I am looking for the other options.

Saddam was the WMD, he killed millions, the Iraq war was just and necessary.

So is quatanamo bay- it is because USA is christian based that the prison is there- if they were Islamic there would be no prison, they would just cut their heads of and put it on video!

Even if another regime would cut of someone's head and put it on video your justifying the undermining of the liberties that make this country great by basically saying that we have to become like our enemy in order to defeat them. That's an insane argument. You obviously by the line that "they hate us for our freedoms" yet you support undermining those very freedoms. I don't see the logic in all that.

Alas, Saddam was a mass murderer but I suggest that you study his regime in detail so as to learn exactly where it was that he was recieving such things as the conventional and biological weapons that he would use on his neighbors and on his own people.

No, amigo, it is because we support freedom that we put terrorists in prison! Get it? Gee, people are so nieve. Unprovoked? I remember 3000 dead in one day and the guy behind it is in guatanamo! Let us hug him and say sorry and send him back to his training camp! That is the Obama liberal answer. And Saddam was paying $25,000 to every family of the terrorist bombers of Israel's babies and women! America does nto have an Empire, but I thank God they sacrifce their lives and money to protect the freedom loving world....for now. After Obama....who knows.....

LOL You're calling me naive. I see that you do not recall how it was that the Iraq war was sold to the American people. I can clearly tell you. We were told that there were WMDs that proved to be non-existant. I see I have to keep repeating this truth to you. As for the 25000 for terrorists who bomb Isrealis find me a credible source that states as much. You're on here spreading falsehoods. Saddam offered that exact amount, $25, 000, to every palestinian who had his home destroyed in Jenin by the IDF back in 2002 and that's the only instance where that amount being offered by Saddam comes up in credible news sources. Again, the CIA, the president's own intelligence apparatus, under Bush himself has stated that the Iraq conflict has fanned the flames of terrorists the world over and THAT THERE WAS NO AL-QAEDA IN IRAQ BEFORE WE INVADED. Al-qaeda in Iraq is the result of our invasion. You can look that up.

I can see this is hopeless, you believe too many lies already...do your own research...which of course you will not -

Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander.
Proverbs 17:4

#32 - Posted 22 January 2009, 1:37 PM
cibaeño75 Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 5683	RE: Bye bye George W., SEE YA!!! Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: Quote: PeRod previously said: Cibaeño75, excuse me. I supposed that it was obvious that I was talking about the period after the terrorist attack on September 11. And yes, “it's been thoroughly documented that [you] as a nation… were led into war based on lies” (I think the right word is “misinformation”, nobody did it on purpose) but Saddam Husseim in power was a nightmare for United States and a lot of Americans (and I mean a lot) are alive and safe because he is dead (perhaps even you, my dear friend). He was supporting any attack against the first power in the world with billions in his hands. It was imperative to do something. Perhaps you did not like, but actually something was done. As you can see, I am looking for the other options. Saddam was the WMD, he killed millions, the Iraq war was just and necessary. So is quatanamo bay- it is because USA is christian based that the prison is there- if they were Islamic there would be no prison, they would just cut their heads of and put it on video! Even if another regime would cut of someone's head and put it on video your justifying the undermining of the liberties that make this country great by basically saying that we have to become like our enemy in order to defeat them. That's an insane argument. You obviously by the line that "they hate us for our freedoms" yet you support undermining those very freedoms. I don't see the logic in all that. Alas, Saddam was a mass murderer but I suggest that you study his regime in detail so as to learn exactly where it was that he was recieving such things as the conventional and biological weapons that he would use on his neighbors and on his own people. No, amigo, it is because we support freedom that we put terrorists in prison! Get it? Gee, people are so nieve. Unprovoked? I remember 3000 dead in one day and the guy behind it is in guatanamo! Let us hug him and say sorry and send him back to his training camp! That is the Obama liberal answer. And Saddam was paying $25,000 to every family of the terrorist bombers of Israel's babies and women! America does nto have an Empire, but I thank God they sacrifce their lives and money to protect the freedom loving world....for now. After Obama....who knows..... LOL You're calling me naive. I see that you do not recall how it was that the Iraq war was sold to the American people. I can clearly tell you. We were told that there were WMDs that proved to be non-existant. I see I have to keep repeating this truth to you. As for the 25000 for terrorists who bomb Isrealis find me a credible source that states as much. You're on here spreading falsehoods. Saddam offered that exact amount, $25, 000, to every palestinian who had his home destroyed in Jenin by the IDF back in 2002 and that's the only instance where that amount being offered by Saddam comes up in credible news sources. Again, the CIA, the president's own intelligence apparatus, under Bush himself has stated that the Iraq conflict has fanned the flames of terrorists the world over and THAT THERE WAS NO AL-QAEDA IN IRAQ BEFORE WE INVADED. Al-qaeda in Iraq is the result of our invasion. You can look that up. I can see this is hopeless, you believe too many lies already...do your own research...which of course you will not - May I suggest the same. Next time, do not bring a knife to a gunfight. "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
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#31 - Posted 22 January 2009, 1:35 PM
cabaretewilliam Location: Dominican Republic Join date: September 2008 Member #: 1444 Posts: 6778	RE: Bye bye George W., SEE YA!!! Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: cabaretewilliam previously said: Quote: PeRod previously said: Cibaeño75, excuse me. I supposed that it was obvious that I was talking about the period after the terrorist attack on September 11. And yes, “it's been thoroughly documented that [you] as a nation… were led into war based on lies” (I think the right word is “misinformation”, nobody did it on purpose) but Saddam Husseim in power was a nightmare for United States and a lot of Americans (and I mean a lot) are alive and safe because he is dead (perhaps even you, my dear friend). He was supporting any attack against the first power in the world with billions in his hands. It was imperative to do something. Perhaps you did not like, but actually something was done. As you can see, I am looking for the other options. Saddam was the WMD, he killed millions, the Iraq war was just and necessary. So is quatanamo bay- it is because USA is christian based that the prison is there- if they were Islamic there would be no prison, they would just cut their heads of and put it on video! Even if another regime would cut of someone's head and put it on video your justifying the undermining of the liberties that make this country great by basically saying that we have to become like our enemy in order to defeat them. That's an insane argument. You obviously by the line that "they hate us for our freedoms" yet you support undermining those very freedoms. I don't see the logic in all that. Alas, Saddam was a mass murderer but I suggest that you study his regime in detail so as to learn exactly where it was that he was recieving such things as the conventional and biological weapons that he would use on his neighbors and on his own people. No, amigo, it is because we support freedom that we put terrorists in prison! Get it? Gee, people are so nieve. Unprovoked? I remember 3000 dead in one day and the guy behind it is in guatanamo! Let us hug him and say sorry and send him back to his training camp! That is the Obama liberal answer. And Saddam was paying $25,000 to every family of the terrorist bombers of Israel's babies and women! America does nto have an Empire, but I thank God they sacrifce their lives and money to protect the freedom loving world....for now. After Obama....who knows..... LOL You're calling me naive. I see that you do not recall how it was that the Iraq war was sold to the American people. I can clearly tell you. We were told that there were WMDs that proved to be non-existant. I see I have to keep repeating this truth to you. As for the 25000 for terrorists who bomb Isrealis find me a credible source that states as much. You're on here spreading falsehoods. Saddam offered that exact amount, $25, 000, to every palestinian who had his home destroyed in Jenin by the IDF back in 2002 and that's the only instance where that amount being offered by Saddam comes up in credible news sources. Again, the CIA, the president's own intelligence apparatus, under Bush himself has stated that the Iraq conflict has fanned the flames of terrorists the world over and THAT THERE WAS NO AL-QAEDA IN IRAQ BEFORE WE INVADED. Al-qaeda in Iraq is the result of our invasion. You can look that up. I can see this is hopeless, you believe too many lies already...do your own research...which of course you will not - Wrongdoers eagerly listen to gossip; liars pay close attention to slander. Proverbs 17:4
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#33 - Posted 22 January 2009, 1:38 PM
kmnupe Location: United States, NYC Join date: January 2008 Member #: 283 Posts: 500	RE: Bye bye George W., SEE YA!!! [QUOTE=cabaretewilliam] [/QUOTE] No, amigo, it is because we support freedom that we put terrorists in prison! Get it? Gee, people are so nieve. Unprovoked? I remember 3000 dead in one day and the guy behind it is in guatanamo! Let us hug him and say sorry and send him back to his training camp! That is the Obama liberal answer. And Saddam was paying $25,000 to every family of the terrorist bombers of Israel's babies and women! America does nto have an Empire, but I thank God they sacrifce their lives and money to protect the freedom loving world....for now. After Obama....who knows..... [/QUOTE] So, if the people responsible are sitting in jail and have been killed, why the continuation of the war? Why neglect the country and risking its well-being by bankrupting it? Saddam was (operative word__was) paying terrorists to bomb Israel and now Israel bombs terrorists for free. Oh, wait a minute, the US government subsidies Israel with funding to fight terrorist. Voila!
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#34 - Posted 22 January 2009, 1:43 PM
PeRod Location: Dominican Republic Join date: June 2008 Member #: 887 Posts: 1577	RE: Bye bye George W., SEE YA!!! kmnupe, this is me. I am not afraid to start an avalanche if I have to say how I see the things. I still love all of you too (I really like this forum) and especially a person like you is a good reason to be here. As a bonus we get some pretty ladies around here (well if those actually are their pictures –you know, Internet–). I have to take many decisions and sometimes I am wrong (that is not usual but it happens). Then I try to look for the “right” decision and it is not easy to find that one. Sometimes there is no “right” decision. I do not like George Bush very much, but to be seated in his desk was a tremendous task and I think that the liberal press is being too hard with him. I do not like Barack Obama either. I do not see true signs of change around him. I am only listening rhetoric words. People like Robespierre and Danton (even Marat) changed the world. People like Washington, Franklin, Hamilton and Jefferson changed the world. People like Lenin and Trotsky (even Stalin) changed the world. They were new men (with a new team) for a new era. They had much more than vision. I strongly believe that Obama is not the man. He is far from the past only in his speeches. Now we only have to wait.
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#36 - Posted 22 January 2009, 1:58 PM
anthonyC Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 933 Posts: 7530	RE: Bye bye George W., SEE YA!!! Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: "As a bonus we get some pretty ladies around here " LOL...indeed. I'm going to have a wait and see attitude towards our president. I sincerely hope he has a succesful presidency because Lord knows this country cannot afford the alternative. I am not optimistic. George W. Bush left some pretty big shoes ti fill. If Obama is half the president Bush was then we will survive the next 4 years until we correct this mistake and elect somebody who knows what the office really entails. Proof that dreadlocks is a Bigot ....... what did Cubans do to deserve preferential treatment? they did NOTHING! ......and treat Black people in the most racist of ways.......... the Cubans are just a bunch of uberracist savages, whom they try to avoid, at all costs.
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#37 - Posted 22 January 2009, 2:01 PM
DominicanLady Location: United States Join date: October 2008 Member #: 1478 Posts: 1358	RE: Bye bye George W., SEE YA!!! Thank Jesus the devil has left the building! Kiss it! And Love it! Hah!
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#35 - Posted 22 January 2009, 1:50 PM
cibaeño75 Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 5683	RE: Bye bye George W., SEE YA!!! "As a bonus we get some pretty ladies around here " LOL...indeed. I'm going to have a wait and see attitude towards our president. I sincerely hope he has a succesful presidency because Lord knows this country cannot afford the alternative. "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
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#38 - Posted 22 January 2009, 2:02 PM
cibaeño75 Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 5683	RE: Bye bye George W., SEE YA!!! Quote: anthonyC previously said: Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: "As a bonus we get some pretty ladies around here " LOL...indeed. I'm going to have a wait and see attitude towards our president. I sincerely hope he has a succesful presidency because Lord knows this country cannot afford the alternative. I am not optimistic. George W. Bush left some pretty big shoes ti fill. If Obama is half the president Bush was then we will survive the next 4 years until we correct this mistake and elect somebody who knows what the office really entails. I think its time to change the water in your bong. "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
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#39 - Posted 22 January 2009, 2:15 PM
PeRod Location: Dominican Republic Join date: June 2008 Member #: 887 Posts: 1577	RE: Bye bye George W., SEE YA!!! Kmnupe, United States did not have (and have) enemies because Mr. Bush was president. United States had (and have) enemies because its super power condition. With Mr. Obama in charge you are going to see less animosity against that country because his softness makes him a less fearful leader. Look at the list of superpowers nowadays (in order): United States Japan China Germany Japan and Germany lost World Word II and look where they are. China is growing faster than any other country in the planet. You can not expect a friendly world (with any president) if you are not powerful enough. That is the logical geopolitical conclusion, my dear friend, and the rest of the world does not want United States to be as powerful as they were. In that direction Obama really helps.
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#40 - Posted 22 January 2009, 2:42 PM
kmnupe Location: United States, NYC Join date: January 2008 Member #: 283 Posts: 500	RE: Bye bye George W., SEE YA!!! Quote: PeRod previously said: Kmnupe, United States did not have (and have) enemies because Mr. Bush was president. United States had (and have) enemies because its super power condition. With Mr. Obama in charge you are going to see less animosity against that country because his softness makes him a less fearful leader. Look at the list of superpowers nowadays (in order): United States Japan China Germany Japan and Germany lost World Word II and look where they are. China is growing faster than any other country in the planet. You can not expect a friendly world (with any president) if you are not powerful enough. That is the logical geopolitical conclusion, my dear friend, and the rest of the world does not want United States to be as powerful as they were. In that direction Obama really helps. First let me ask, why is it important to fear a leader and the United States for that matter? You do not make enemies solely because of envy. Abuse of power ( injustice, exploitation) is one of the main causes. Second, Modern-day Japan and Germany (former west) did not get to where they are by bullying and conquering tactics. If you're going to use them as examples, you must have missed President Obama's speech on tuesday. Lastly, the US is not Israel surrounded by sworn enemies and you're forgetting the thousands of nuclear warheads in our possession. Like I said , ineffective, arrogant and murderous leaders are the root cause of our problems. You're right when you say that the rest of the world wants the USA to change, but more than likely, to a more humane state and be more in tune with what's going on outside our shores. We're our own worst enemy and have taken capitalism to stratospheric heights. Edited on 1/22/2009 2:56 PM by kmnupe.
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