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#51 - Posted 25 February 2009, 12:55 PM
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ofcourse there is racism in the Dominican as there is everywhere else

More exactly I would say of course there is prejudices/discrimination in the Dominican Republic as there is everywhere else.
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in every culture its always prefered to be the lighter of the bunch within the blacks and indians aswell!

That would be colorism.
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In dominican theres a certain kind of racism i believe because its ignorant more then others a black Dominican is not called el Negro but more el Moreno.

I think this maybe a lost in translation type of thing, because if I remember correctly the national ID card 'cedula' has B for white, I for indio and N for negro. I My aunt's husbands' cedula is marked N for negro and I personally wouldn't really have guessed it, he's from Santiago and looks like a very dark skinned Saddam Hussein. I've seen a ton of black Dominicans self identify as negro.
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like in Santo Dominigo in Ensache Naco the nightclub La Praia if ur too dark you cant get in??? in Dominican?? out of every country where most of the population is of a darker skin tone. id understand in argentina lol but Dominican! common now. thats ridiculous.

Agreed. If La Praia isn't letting in anyone because they're 'too dark' is both shameful and idiotic and I would put them on blast.
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#52 - Posted 25 February 2009, 1:10 PM
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here is the deal, yumnuk. i have met numerous african american tourists who have told me that they were on their first visit to the DR, and that they would never return. why? because, they said, of the way they were treated by Dominicans. they observed that the locals fawned over the whites, while treating them like trash. i am not in a position to determine whether or not they were being overly sensitive, or overreacting. but i know for a fact that if i am in a line at the colmado, the owner will seek to put the white customers ahead of me. on one occasion, he even ordered the cashier to cancel my transaction, put my stuff to the side, and attend to the canadian lady who was behind me. in his mind, that is the pecking order. the white lady is first, and you are next. that , my friends, is the definition of racism. when i sit at a table with my white friends for dinner, the waitresses invariably try to hand the bill to one of them, but never to me. reflexively, they believe that they are the ones in the position to pay. it happens all the time. my white friends liked to eat at a certain steakhouse in the capital. the waiters treated them like kings when they went alone. when i went along, they would sit us at the worst table over by the kitchen, even if there was nobody else there. i stopped going to such places with them, just so they would not have to be inconvenienced like that. so, all who try to tell me that the DR does not have serious racial problems that need addressing, you are talking to the wrong guy. i have seen dark skinned Dominicans allow a white person to cut in front of them in a line at the bank, and they allowed it with a smile. i wonder if they would have been that pleasant and permissive had it been a person ten shades darker?

dreadlocks,
No one can argue or refute your personal experiences, I find the perpertrators of those racist acts disgusting and shameful. The only thing that I can add is that I never experienced this and I'm not white, and neither has my step-grandfather who is a black Dominican. I can't even imagine him letting someone cut in front of him becuase of their lighter color. The many Jamaican & African American clients I've come in contact with had wonderful experiences, the one common thing they all relayed was how warm the people were.
Now for any who read this, this doesn't mean I think DR is a paradise nor am I idealizing Dominicans, I'm simply telling my own personal experience.
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#53 - Posted 25 February 2009, 1:22 PM
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USADR, thanks for a well reasoned, even handed response. after reading the verbiage emanating from the miniscule brains of vacanos and Gizmo (if one could accuse them of having brains), it is refreshing to see sane responses from you and the poster before. try reading this article, in order to get some idea of what people see;

http://www.nathanielturner.com/kiiniiburasalaam2.htm

and, trust me, this is not the first time i have heard these things
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#54 - Posted 25 February 2009, 1:26 PM
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Kari416 has mentioned yet another club in the capital which restricts the entry of dark skinned people. add that to Bella Blu, and the two clubs which disallowed the entry of US consulate attaches, and this behavior seems to appear normative.
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#55 - Posted 25 February 2009, 1:28 PM
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im not surprise this thread started by a afrocentrist racist ala al sharpton. is what they do to feel entitled. they are knocking down dominicans instigating that we are the most racist country in the world. they are linking color with country. their point is to embarrased us so we have no choice but to accept the haitian into our country and sbsorbed their misery.

Carajito, take that "chip" out of your butt and stop sounding like a little kid whose candy was taken away from him.

Do you know that when people start assuming is because they feel beaten?.

Your hatred for blacks is making you assume I am black when in fact most probably black blood runs throught your veins.

But like most Dominicans, you much rather say "I am mixed" or "no soy tan oscuro" than say "I have black in me".

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#56 - Posted 25 February 2009, 1:33 PM
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USADR, thanks for a well reasoned, even handed response. after reading the verbiage emanating from the miniscule brains of vacanos and Gizmo (if one could accuse them of having brains), it is refreshing to see sane responses from you and the poster before. try reading this article, in order to get some idea of what people see;

http://www.nathanielturner.com/kiiniiburasalaam2.htm

and, trust me, this is not the first time i have heard these things


While I agree with her in the sense that the instances of colorism suffered by her were atrocious, she would have been better served had she studied the dominican psyche and cultural nuances before coming to the country, cuz' like the Robinson chap's experience on Brazil told on the article that I cited before, she's committing the serious and grievous mistake of assuming that everyone over here (or in the rest of Latin America, for that matter) operates with the same "one-drop" lens that AA's operate with on the States. Here's an interestting discussion about her experience on the DR:

http://thestudyofracialism.org/about402.html&highlight=kiiniibura%2Asalaam

Personally, I think that she would have suffered less had she stayed on Santo Domingo instead of Santiago, cuz' the latter city tends to be more elitistic than the former, with all the classism and racism that this attitude carries with.


Edited on 2/25/2009 1:42 PM by Lautaro.
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#57 - Posted 25 February 2009, 1:39 PM
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Kari416 has mentioned yet another club in the capital which restricts the entry of dark skinned people. add that to Bella Blu, and the two clubs which disallowed the entry of US consulate attaches, and this behavior seems to appear normative.


ya ive seen pictures and most of the people are white or very light. ive seen a few exceptions more mulato looking dominicans but i dont know if it goes by who they know or what because ive heard stories about people not getting in because of there skin color there told its a private party or if they have reservations. personally i dont know if i would ever go because its trance dance techno music and here in Toronto thats all there is. id prefer my merengue and bachata anyday. like if theres any reason id want to go is for saftey reasons not being from there and such id want to go to a high end place but not as discriminatory and a place with actual dominican music.
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#58 - Posted 25 February 2009, 1:41 PM
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here is the deal, yumnuk. i have met numerous african american tourists who have told me that they were on their first visit to the DR, and that they would never return. why? because, they said, of the way they were treated by Dominicans. they observed that the locals fawned over the whites, while treating them like trash. i am not in a position to determine whether or not they were being overly sensitive, or overreacting. but i know for a fact that if i am in a line at the colmado, the owner will seek to put the white customers ahead of me. on one occasion, he even ordered the cashier to cancel my transaction, put my stuff to the side, and attend to the canadian lady who was behind me. in his mind, that is the pecking order. the white lady is first, and you are next. that , my friends, is the definition of racism. when i sit at a table with my white friends for dinner, the waitresses invariably try to hand the bill to one of them, but never to me. reflexively, they believe that they are the ones in the position to pay. it happens all the time. my white friends liked to eat at a certain steakhouse in the capital. the waiters treated them like kings when they went alone. when i went along, they would sit us at the worst table over by the kitchen, even if there was nobody else there. i stopped going to such places with them, just so they would not have to be inconvenienced like that. so, all who try to tell me that the DR does not have serious racial problems that need addressing, you are talking to the wrong guy. i have seen dark skinned Dominicans allow a white person to cut in front of them in a line at the bank, and they allowed it with a smile. i wonder if they would have been that pleasant and permissive had it been a person ten shades darker?


Dread, I've noticed the mentality that you're refferring to long ago. I will share an anecdote that I posted long ago but will again since it jives whith what you just articulated. I have a cousin who is dark skinned, as a matter of fact I call him snoop dog because he resembles the rapper that goes by the same name. To make a long story short a classmate from college and I were both going to DR for vacation at the same time and she invited me to visit with her family on said trip. I arrived one evening at her home in an upscale section of Santiago with my cousin. My classmate was with her relatives, mostly females and light skinned like my former classmate and myself, when I arrived. Now get this: barring my classmate, no one knew my cousin or I that was there but each and every female there gave me a hello kiss on the cheek and my cousin, the snoop dog lookalike, got a very brusque handshake from the very same females. I mean, It's not an hour with the Klan but the implications were there.
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#59 - Posted 25 February 2009, 2:05 PM
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ofcourse there is racism in the Dominican as there is everywhere else in every culture its always prefered to be the lighter of the bunch within the blacks and indians aswell! In dominican theres a certain kind of racism i believe because its ignorant more then others a black Dominican is not called el Negro but more el Moreno. Dominican racism isnt as blunt as in other countrys but is still there. like in Santo Dominigo in Ensache Naco the nightclub La Praia if ur too dark you cant get in??? in Dominican?? out of every country where most of the population is of a darker skin tone. id understand in argentina lol but Dominican! common now. thats ridiculous.

La Praia, the one on Lopez De Vega, right?.

You really don't want to know the tongue lashing (pela de lengua) que le di a un manager there for treating a black friend of mine as if he was a piece of gargage.

I must say I had fun with that imbecile.




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#60 - Posted 25 February 2009, 2:14 PM
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Kari416 previously said:

ofcourse there is racism in the Dominican as there is everywhere else in every culture its always prefered to be the lighter of the bunch within the blacks and indians aswell! In dominican theres a certain kind of racism i believe because its ignorant more then others a black Dominican is not called el Negro but more el Moreno. Dominican racism isnt as blunt as in other countrys but is still there. like in Santo Dominigo in Ensache Naco the nightclub La Praia if ur too dark you cant get in??? in Dominican?? out of every country where most of the population is of a darker skin tone. id understand in argentina lol but Dominican! common now. thats ridiculous.

La Praia, the one on Lopez De Vega, right?.

You really don't want to know the tongue lashing (pela de lengua) que le di a un manager there for treating a black friend of mine as if he was a piece of gargage.

I must say I had fun with that imbecile.



The one and the same, Papaupa. There was an incident in 2006 in which a college student was killed when trying to enter to that place with a group of her friends. Apparently, one of the bouncers didn't take too kindly to one of the students' provoking gestures and opened fire on the group. The place was threatened to be closed by the courts, but the case would only end up in that, a simple threat, cuz' the owner is the son of one the big fish from the balaguerist era, and from what I have heard about the guy, he seems to have a lot of our politicos' dirty secrets under his sleeve, so no one on his right mind would dare to touch him.
Edited on 2/25/2009 2:18 PM by Lautaro.
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