| #71 - Posted 25 February 2009, 2:55 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4364 | RE: Racism among Dominicans Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Quote: Lautaro previously said: Quote: USADR previously said: Lautaro, Carefull with taking that story at face value. I do not question her experience, but I as well as many others have questioned her conclusion. This includes non-Dominican people.Just do a search on Frank Sweets site and you'll read why. I know it, USADR, that's why I say that she would have been better served had she made her stay on Santo Domingo, where people (from my personal experience) tends to be more tolerant about people with seemingly outlandish looks even more than aristochratic Santiago. The mistake that she's making is to assume that the thinking of Santiago is the one of the entire country, when a trip to the capital, to San Juan de la Maguana or to Higuey would have been enough to convince her about the folly of her assumption. Well, I've suffered discrimination in the capital. As a teenager on the occasions I would visit some freinds in the Ensanche Luperon some fools on almost every corner on my way to and from the home I was visitng would make a disparaging remark about "el blanquito".."que lo que hace ete mardito blanquito aqui", etc.., and they would be talking about me! Needless to say it was unwarranted. I was always just walking through minding my own business and unfortunately the perpetrators would always be in groups so there wasn't much one alone could do. Can't make this stuff up. Well, from her point of view, that experience of yours wouldn't have counted as racism, because on this case it was practiced on someone whose race is the one on top. This might smack as offensive to AA's, but I can't help but feel that some black American intellectuals have successfully convinced many people on the Left to adhere to the politically correct myth that "blacks" cannot be "racist" because they have no "power", when nothing could be farther from the truth, if we one is take Haiti's experience with whites as a sample. Edited on 2/25/2009 2:57 PM by Lautaro. “Since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved.” Niccolo Machiavelli |
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| #72 - Posted 25 February 2009, 3:14 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: January 2009 Member #: 1994 Posts: 1150 | RE: Racism among Dominicans Dreadlocks Mr Lautaro, thanks for always bringing our attention to the kind of literature which enlightens and clarifies the mysteries of this cantankerous subject. Gizmo, pay attention, and stop giving us some youtube and facebook anecdotes to support your arguments. without academic foundation, they are worthless. you might as well be posting a video on how to grill the perfect steak. ![]() Gizmo Dreadlocks what are you aiming for? i don't get you're pretense or interest in this matter. You are an outsider trying to push you're ideals down the throats of people that are doing better in the realm of race relations than the whole U.S. society in large. Or you think that Obama only belongs to the Black American community? The last time i checked his mother was lilly white and his father was an African from the continent of "Africa" not the U.S.A., a son of Kenya not of Bed-Stuy or Harlem. Most Africans see Black Americans as lazy and no good for nothing criminals. So i guess Blacks don't discriminate against one another right? RIGHT! Like i said the Club thing is a small matter, if they don't want you're business than go somewhere else. That's why Clubs have bouncers to enforce who comes in and who stays out. I personally don't see nothing wrong with this practice afterall if you are the owner of the establishment you can enforce the rules as you want them. I already gave you an explanation in the other thread, but you can't figure it out you are just to stubborn to understand. No evidence suffices you, the fact that this practice is not unique to the Dominican Republic should make you stop and recollect that Dominicans are human beings and are just as tribal as any other species in the world. Edited on 2/25/2009 3:21 PM by Gizmo. READ A BOOK FOR REAL! BECOME A BOOKWORM MISTER BEFORE YOU GET SERVED!!!!! |
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| #73 - Posted 25 February 2009, 3:17 PM | |
Location: United States, Boston, MA Join date: October 2008 Member #: 1466 Posts: 621 | RE: Racism among Dominicans Racism is hard to do in the DR since it is a mixed country! DOMINICAN DOMINICAN DOMINICAN |
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| #74 - Posted 25 February 2009, 3:20 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 923 | RE: Racism among Dominicans Quote: cibaeño75 previously said: Well, I've suffered discrimination in the capital. As a teenager on the occasions I would visit some freinds in the Ensanche Luperon some fools on almost every corner on my way to and from the home I was visitng would make a disparaging remark about "el blanquito".."que lo que hace ete mardito blanquito aqui", etc.., and they would be talking about me! Needless to say it was unwarranted. I was always just walking through minding my own business and unfortunately the perpetrators would always be in groups so there wasn't much one alone could do. Can't make this stuff up. cibaeno75, I've seen the exact same thing. I've also seen people make disparaging remarks about Jabaos and super white people 'parece un vaso de leche', etc. Also I've seen Dominicans of all colors making fun of how ugly white American Mormons are (they usually were from middle america or outwest). |
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| #75 - Posted 25 February 2009, 3:25 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 1922 | RE: Racism among Dominicans Quote: dreadlocks previously said: here is the deal, yumnuk. i have met numerous african american tourists who have told me that they were on their first visit to the DR, and that they would never return. why? because, they said, of the way they were treated by Dominicans. they observed that the locals fawned over the whites, while treating them like trash. i am not in a position to determine whether or not they were being overly sensitive, or overreacting. but i know for a fact that if i am in a line at the colmado, the owner will seek to put the white customers ahead of me. on one occasion, he even ordered the cashier to cancel my transaction, put my stuff to the side, and attend to the canadian lady who was behind me. in his mind, that is the pecking order. the white lady is first, and you are next. that , my friends, is the definition of racism. when i sit at a table with my white friends for dinner, the waitresses invariably try to hand the bill to one of them, but never to me. reflexively, they believe that they are the ones in the position to pay. it happens all the time. my white friends liked to eat at a certain steakhouse in the capital. the waiters treated them like kings when they went alone. when i went along, they would sit us at the worst table over by the kitchen, even if there was nobody else there. i stopped going to such places with them, just so they would not have to be inconvenienced like that. so, all who try to tell me that the DR does not have serious racial problems that need addressing, you are talking to the wrong guy. i have seen dark skinned Dominicans allow a white person to cut in front of them in a line at the bank, and they allowed it with a smile. i wonder if they would have been that pleasant and permissive had it been a person ten shades darker? This is so sad, but true I call it ignorance some Dominicans associate being white with wealth, and darkness with poverty. I am so glad that my family did not raised me the to be racists and that they really know no difference between ethnic groups, gender or religion. They just see people! To rid our world of racists requires that it begin when the child is born. Children live what they see each day in their own homes. Children are our best natural resource and we still don't understand we can shape the world just by what we expose them too. The fate of Los Haitises What you can do Tell the Dominican Embassy in the U.S. that you oppose the government concession to build the cement factory. Telephone 202-332-6280, fax 202-265-8057, or e-mail embassy@us.serex.gov.do |
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| #76 - Posted 25 February 2009, 3:27 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2112 Posts: 2437 | RE: Racism among Dominicans hmmmm....let me see.. the title of the thread is Racism among Dominicans...now where in that short title does the word "HAITIAN" appear? hmmm....i wonder why someone seems to believe that racism is the same as anti-haitianism? might someone be confused? might that be vacanos? dreadlock lol look at jeremiah the innocent now. who do you think this clowns pretending to be "dominican" really from? badmouth us that most dominican are racist and that we are the most racist country. SEREMOS RECONOCIDOS LOS TRINITARIOS CON LAS PALABRAS SACRAMENTALES: "DIOS" "PATRIA" Y "LIBERTAD". ASI LO PROMETO ANTES DIOS Y EL MUNDO: SI LO HAGO, DIOS ME PROTEJAS, Y DE NO, ME LO TOME EN CUENTA, Y MIS CONSOCIOS ME CASTIGUEN EL PERJURIO Y LA TRAICION, SI LOS VENDO. |
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| #77 - Posted 25 February 2009, 3:30 PM | |
Location: United States, "El Amanza GUAPOS, BIGOTS, TROLLS y SELF-PROCLAIMED DOMINICAN "PATRIOTS" De Villa Duarte" Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1255 Posts: 3830 | RE: Racism among Dominicans Quote: dreadlocks previously said: It wasn't pretty. actually, Tupapaupa, i can imagine the exchange between yourself and the manager. LOL. look , it is only the severely self deluded, like vacanos and Gizmo, who do not see the realities. and thanks for the url, Mr Lautaro. i will read it as soon as i get a chance. and, as for vacanos and Gizmo: when people like Mr Lautaro put these links on the board, you should try to read them sometimes, and broaden your horizons. put down the nintendo for an hour or so per day, and READ! At the end, ese tipo no sabia adonde meter su cabeza, por la verguenza que le hice pasar. Do you think a carajito habla porqueria like vacanos (more than one, you know. JAJAJA) is going to read and/or analize anything a person like Lautaro or Cibaeno writes?. He probably doesn't even understand 99% of what they write. His dislike of Haitians has him so blinded that he doesn't even realize you and I are making fun of him. Any person with an ounce of intelligence would see this thread and realize it has nothing to do with Haitians. Not him so what does that tells you about his intelligence level?. I wonder if he will also get rid of those black Dominicans who have no Haitian blood in them?. Did you mean to say "dolls" instead of "nintendo"?. JAJAJA. I Am The BOOOO!GEYMAN!!.....Hide The Kids And Stop The Dancing, Singing, Whining, Complaining and Crying....... El LEONAAAAZO De Villa Duarte No Estaba Muerto, Andaba De Parranda!. JAJAJAJA. |
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| #78 - Posted 25 February 2009, 3:30 PM | |
Location: Canada Join date: February 2009 Member #: 2195 Posts: 98 | RE: Racism among Dominicans it shouldnt matter about the color it should be all about the culture were all dominicans and should embrace it we all speak the same language arroz con habichuela so what difference should it make. the black dominicans hate on the white ones from el cibao the white ones hate on the dark ones we all share a common ground were dominican, doesnt matter if ur from the capital the sur el norte were all the same even if we come in different colors. |
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| #79 - Posted 25 February 2009, 3:33 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: February 2008 Member #: 340 Posts: 923 | RE: Racism among Dominicans Quote: Lautaro previously said: Well, from her point of view, that experience of yours wouldn't have counted as racism, because on this case it was practiced on someone whose race is the one on top. This might smack as offensive to AA's, but I can't help but feel that some black American intellectuals have successfully convinced many people on the Left to adhere to the politically correct myth that "blacks" cannot be "racist" because they have no "power", when nothing could be farther from the truth, if we one is take Haiti's experience with whites as a sample. Ha! I've seen this type of mindset. In other words, many AA's feel that since they were/are discriminated against it is impossible for them to do it to others wich of course is totally false. Ask the West Indians (Jamaicans, Haitians, Trinis, etc.) or Africans if they haven't experienced this. The tension between Haitians and African Americans made it to the newspapers in Florida. In other American cities the tension between Somalians and AA's, and Africans in general have made headlines. The ones who downplay or deny this are usually those of PanAfrican idealism. I have a question for all here and this is based on very real and factual information: If there is ethnic rivalry/tension between AA's and say another black group, it's simply seen as cultural differences. The same for Bahamians and Haitians and so forth. If there is ethnic rivalry/tension between AA's and say Puerto Ricans or Dominicans, I see the race card often pulled. If said groups also have black members as in PR's and DR's,, there is the additional label of self-hate applied. Does anyone see what's wrong with these conclusions? They assume the problem is due to color when it's a group that is not perceived as 'black'. And this has been my DominicanAmerican experience going to schools were at least 50% were African Americans. This is not based on no ivory tower idealism. Edited on 2/25/2009 3:36 PM by USADR. |
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| #80 - Posted 25 February 2009, 3:34 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 4364 | RE: Racism among Dominicans Quote: Kari416 previously said: it shouldnt matter about the color it should be all about the culture were all dominicans and should embrace it. Even more if we have beautiful paisanas such as you thrown into the mix. Edited on 2/25/2009 3:34 PM by Lautaro. “Since the two rarely come together, anyone compelled to choose will find greater security in being feared than in being loved.” Niccolo Machiavelli |
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