JACIREZ
How is "...GIZMO Haitians will always be illegal in Dominican Republic, the constitution ratifies it. And if you think one of your kind is going to ascend in power in D.R. Well wake up from the dead mister, smell the brew. Jesus Christ will first set foot on this unholy earth before that dream comes true...."
more than a childish rant...?
How can I take you seriously when you start off with such idiocy?!!!

GIZMO
Why don't you quote everything? It pisses me off when i hear Haitians trying to impose themselves on Dominicans. Talk is cheap i guess? doing for self is not you're aim, since doing for self never came easy for a people that can't stop fighting each other. The Dominican constitution don't grant citizenship to illegals or the children of illegals. And remember your the kid here muscle brain!

You're so "platanera" in your thinking that you still assume the conpect of "nationality" has any bearing in the world today. You silly, Naïve little "campesina". As too $hort would say: "Get in where u Fit in". In any tangible, practical sense, you're a citizen of wherever your pride, your hardwork and your dedication is oriented. For the purpose of this argument then, a Dominican is a resident of the Dominican Republic commited to the betterment and improvement of the country. Again, if you're just "takin' loud 'n sayin' nothin'..." and doing nothing to improve the country, then you're as useless as nipples on a nun and consecuently a non-entity...

...Please see below...

You're location states Angola and you're on a Dominican forum trying to push your rather hippie like fantasy definition of what it means to be a Dominican while refusing to criticize or even acknowledge the very real root cause of why there is a huge illegal Haitian immigration problem (Haiti, it's government & its current role among the international community). You then try to cry about it by saying Dominicans are only picking on illegal Haitians and not the fictituous huge illegal immigration problem we're supposedly having with Indonesians & other LatinAmericans. Please feel free to explain how big of an illegal immigration issue these other groups are in DR.

Yea, you're damn right I'm a platanera, because unlike you, I AM DOMINICAN. You are not!! So, why don't you follow you're own advice and get in where YOU fit in! Why don't you go and help YOUR side of the island and YOUR PEOPLE before you come here and tell us Dominicans what a definition of being Dominican is! You've got some nerve and some MAJOR I mean MAJOR self-identity issues

I see this will be a trying Endeavour: My argument, my dear friend is simply that the so-called immigration problem is simply a smoke screen to hide our deep-seeded prejudice, sense of inferiority and racism. I submit that, regardless of actual size, we never make mention of the other nationalities living illegally in the country. Moreover, I further contend that those who do not complain about the "white" illegals taking high-powered jobs, do so out of a sense of inferiority an un-worthiness. Believing us (Dominicans) are far too intellectually inferior as to desire a position of ascendency in the upper echelon of Dominican Business Life...

Oh, my dear peasant girl. You see, the world is so interconnected that indeed, if a butterfly flaps its wing in Port au Prince, it may well rain in Santo Domingo. I fear you are far too simple-minded to realize this rather tangible reality. Should you be able to make such an intellectual leap, you would quickly realize the whole Haitian/Dominican argument is a moot point within the context of this very same interconnected world. But alas, I fear this will not be the case.
It is a shame I say; for it robs us of the opportunity of having a meaningful and intellectually enlightening exchange...

If you think you're insulting me by calling me a peasant girl, all I have to say to that is "YAWN!" and by all means, if you wish, keep it coming. But, I must say, it is a bit amusing how you so cleverly avoid answering the most relevant questions regarding the illegal Haitian immigration in DR being asked to you here and how you keep saying that it is such a "miniscule" problem in the DR that has no importance. You cannot expect to have a "meaningful and intellectually enlightening exchange" if you keep making the remarks that you keep making about DR and the Dominican community, not too mention that you keep insisting on your definition of what a Dominican is.

Dear Miss Martinez,
The problem we seem to have is, in my humble opinion, your inability to make the intellectual leap required to understand that the concept of nationaly, within the context of the world as it is today, is a non-issue. Borders do not exist; that is a fact. Only our given ability to move from one point to the next. While a resident of the Dominican Republic (or any other locale for that matter) you are affected my the realities on the ground (regardless of how you made your way to that locale). That being said, only your commitment to the improvement and betterment of said locale is important. How you got to your present location is, by all tangigle means, irrelevant.
That is the definition of Nationality today. While in Quisqueya, we are all, as Jay-Z would say, "...in the thing..."

Tell that to the thousands of sub-saharan africans that are always reminded of the contrary by the fact of being deported daily by the authorities of the European Union (specially the ones from Spain and Italy). If borders do not exist, how is it that not everyone is capable of moving and live on a determined place of his/her choosing? How is it that countries and economic blocs (such as the abovementioned European Union) stubbornly deny your thesis by their actions day in, day out? While it's truth that borders do not exist for finances and other services, the same can't be said about labour and human beings in general, and that's undeniable fact. For empires (of yesterday and of today, and apparently of tomorrow), there will always be an "US" and a "THEM", and nothing that you or any NGO (such as Amnesty International) put forth will be able to deny or destroy this rationale.