Jacirez, you are not a Dominican. We have some traitors but even a traitor would not have your dirty positions.
With no doubt you are one of those coward Haitians that are scared to death with the idea of fighting for their freedom and progress in their own country and expect to resolve their problems just crossing the border and crying “I am a Dominican”, and do you know something? This great nation (even with our great problems) does not have a place for a microbe like you.

This is incredible. This is extremely incredible.
Have somebody ever heard somebody in the United State’s Embassy saying: “Borders do not exist; that is a fact” or in the Canada’s Embassy or in the Spain’s Embassy or in the France’s Embassy?
No.
Can you go to a Dominican Republic’s Embassy and say: “Borders do not exist; that is a fact”?
No, but this damn idiot (Jacirez) can come here, without any problem he can tell us that shit and with all our courtesy we must tell him: “We beg your pardon, gentleman, but we think that perhaps you are wrong”.
Please, please, please. How can we be so apathetic?
You need the necessary documentation even for putting one foot in that mess that Haiti is.
I really appreciate civilized manners but if you are dealing with a dirty dog like this Jacirez you must use manners for a dirty dog.
Haitians will have to respect us, at any cost they will have to respect us and we are not going to get that result being so apathetic.

“I am not a PLD partisan; but I have to give credit to the Fernandez Administration. They are the first Administration to make a credible, serious effort to confront the institutional corruption in the DR”.
Jacirez.

Hey, jerk! “This” administration has a lot of scandals because of its administrative corruption (you can find it “everywhere”). The last scandal was in the OTTT and they still have problems with the “nominillas”.
Do you know who are Miguel Cocco and Euclidez Gutierrez? They are high level PLD’s members and they had talked about the big corruption of “this” administration and you have the big balls for to talk about “serious effort to confront the institutional corruption”.
How hard was for you to get out of that mental hospital (or you have an Internet connection over there)?

Jacirez, este mensaje lo escribo en mi lengua porque me da mi maldita gana y porque es la mejor manera que tengo de dejarte bien claro que hasta un comemierda como tú no tiene derecho alguno de llamar “platanera” y “campesinita” a una forista que no tan solo es mujer sino que para colmo es dominicana y que, por si eso no fuera bastante, además ha exhibido un elevadísimo nivel en todos los debates en que ha participado, como es el caso de JEM237.
El que absolutamente nadie haya dicho absolutamente nada al respecto parece indicar que en este foro existe la tradición de que cada bien se ocupe tan solo de sus propios asuntos (aunque la persona afectada con alguna inconducta sea una dama) pero por mi esa política se puede ir al mismísimo carajo, las groserías (y sobre todo las groserías de una bestia a la que en forma alguna se le ha provocado) en ningún caso deben tolerarse. Si alguien como tú no sabe comportarse adecuadamente entre la gente lo mejor que puedes hacer es regresar a seguirte revolcando entre los puercos.
Todas tus ideas son un montón de porquería y siempre van a dar al mismo basurero, el sueño eterno de que los dominicanos (a quienes tanto nos ha costado lo mucho o poco que tenemos) les abramos las puertas de par en par a ustedes para que el mismo desastre que durante dos siglos han mantenido de aquel lado nos lo reediten aquí, después de que, como la plaga de langosta que gente como tú son, no dejen absolutamente cosa alguna que pueda servir para algo.
Métete esto en la cabeza: se van a morir sin ver hecho realidad ese sueño que su cobardía con tanto afán alimenta. Libren sus luchas sociales, paguen el precio en esfuerzos, sacrificios y sangre que todas las demás naciones a base de coraje hemos pagado o jódanse, pero bastante tenemos nosotros con nuestros propios problemas.
Y mira, en lo que a mi respecta podemos resolver esta vaina como tú quieras.

Copiando del libro de Perod, te escribiré esta misiva en español, ya que mi indignación (no contigo, ya que lo único que estas haciendo es jugar el papel de caja de resonancia de la doble moral de los extranjeros para con nosotros) es demasiado grande como para poner dos letras juntas en inglés sin que estas sean puras maldiciones. En base a tu respuesta de arriba, yo te pregunto: ¿Por qué demonios el nacionalismo debe ser un pecado para nosotros los dominicanos y no para el resto del maldito mundo? ¿Por qué le excusas a los demás el desfilar banderas (haciendo cosas mucho peores que nosotros en el proceso) y a nosotros no? ¿Que tienen los haitianos de especial que no se les pueda recordar que por sus errores nosotros nos independizamos de ellos? Y por último, ¿Por qué diablos consideras al nacionalismo dominicano sinónimo de racismo, cuando este nacionalismo fue el mismo que nos permitió expulsar al invasor español (en 1865) y plantarle cara al imperialista yanqui en 1965, no obstante el hecho de estos últimos contar con la maquinaria de guerra más mortifera del planeta en aquellos (y en estos) instantes? ¿No son estas dos instancias suficientes para demostrarte lo disparatoso de tus argumentos? Porque, razona tú, si los dominicanos fuesemos tan blancófilos como mencionas ¿No crees tú que habriamos dejado que esos extranjeros mencionados anteriormente (blancos, por demás) hubiesen hecho lo que les diese su regalada gana en el país sin chistar?

Tú me excusas, pero esos intentos tuyos de negarnos el legítimo derecho de ejercer nuestro nacionalismo como nos plazca (derecho por el cual hemos pagado un precio demasiado alto en sangre) son puros disparates de la peor calaña. Como diría el finado Juan Bosch "O jugamos todos con las mismas reglas o se rompen las barajas", hasta que el resto del mundo no opere bajo la regla tuya de "las fronteras no existen", nadie puede venir a hablarnos porquerias sobre nuestro nacionalismo. Bien podrías decirles a tus queridos haitianos que dejen la victimología y se pongan a trabajar por construir algo que parezca un país, y por favor, no traigas el caso de los dominicanos en el exterior, por que si bien es verdad que tenemos problemas, ninguno se compara al tremendo cenagal que existe en el 1/3 al oeste de la Hispaniola, y nuestra emigración todavia (gracias a Dios) no posee los ribetes de éxodo que posee la de ellos, por lo cual el argumento se te cae completamente. Como diría el mismo Juan Bosch "La República Dominicana y Haití puede que compartan la misma isla, pero son tan diferentes el uno del otro (tanto en el aspecto cultural, como en el linguístico, económico, racial y social), que es como si habitasen en continentes distintos, a millones de kilómetros de distancia uno del otro", y con esto creo que te lo digo todo.

Manhattanite, as i have told you many times, the civility of yourself and Baldoria seems to have no limit. i, on the other hand, do not have the instincts necessary to suffer fools gladly. so, you post an insight, and it goes over the head of Gizmo, because his comprehension skills are a little wanting. now you end up apologizing to him, because he did not get the point. hey, it aint your fault the guy is slow. if the academic level is too high for him, then let him go read a book from Sesame Street. i posted him right after he answered you, explaining that you were both saying the same thing. one would have suspected that he would have the common intelligence to stand corrected. but what does he do? he goes on the offensive. what is a fella to do, confronted by such idiocy?

PeRod, Lautaro, et. al

Thank you very much for your comments. As I explained before, the idea was to stir passions and strong commentary. I believe we have accomplished that goal. The issues of nationalism and globalization are complex ones. I do not presume to have all the answers; but I do believe that having discussions such as this will help us understand our place in this complex world; again, my most sincere thanks to all those who participated.
Let's keep the conversation going!!!

DREADLOCKS
Manhattanite, as i have told you many times, the civility of yourself and Baldoria seems to have no limit. i, on the other hand, do not have the instincts necessary to suffer fools gladly. so, you post an insight, and it goes over the head of Gizmo, because his comprehension skills are a little wanting. now you end up apologizing to him, because he did not get the point. hey, it aint your fault the guy is slow. if the academic level is too high for him, then let him go read a book from Sesame Street. i posted him right after he answered you, explaining that you were both saying the same thing. one would have suspected that he would have the common intelligence to stand corrected. but what does he do? he goes on the offensive. what is a fella to do, confronted by such idiocy?
GIZMO And Dreadlocks i dont care what you think about me. I could care less, the fact is what he wrote is irrational and only he alone can interpret wether his statement is a negative or positive commentary. Im not a seer i don't read minds. As continuing with you're constant self aggrandizement, im amazed that some posters here dont get that you're nothing but a troll. Constantly criticizing and feeling a sense of entitlement in imposing you're views on others, and if you don't agree to the pseudo scholar "Boltlocks" then you will stand corrected. Im still curious whats you're backgrond Black American, Jamaican, Haitian from Barbados where do you hail, or ancestry, parents background let me know?

JACIREZ

Borders do not exist; that is a fact.


JACIREZ
Gizmo, et. al,
While I agree the objective of my post was to inspire vigorous debate and spirited conversation; one cannot deny the underlying truth: We as Dominicans are not immune to prejudice, racism and sense of inferiority...what is worse, we seem to be in a perpetual state of denial about these realities. We are a great, proud people. I do not believe that acknowledging our faults takes away from our greatness; on the contrary, it makes us more human.


GIZMO Jacirez you're so called experiment would of have the same response, towards any people of any nationality that respect the law and the set geographical boundaries that separate one nation with another.

Without starting another fire storm (as much as would like to) let me give you an example of the disappearance of borders: While I was in the DR last week, I had access to my favorite TV stations, My favorite TV shows, My bank, my doctor, my lawyers, my house (via CCTV), my business etc. I was able to work and otherwise do everything I do on a given day at home while being thousands of miles away. While I do physically have to cross a border (with a minimal of delay, mind you); money, information, goods and/or services do not. The idea of borders as a barrier separating people do, for the most part, not exists.