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#81 - Posted 24 March 2009, 10:44 AM
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Jacirez, did you write this?

I see this will be a trying Endeavour: My argument, my dear friend is simply that the so-called immigration problem is simply a smoke screen to hide our deep-seeded prejudice, sense of inferiority and racism. I submit that, regardless of actual size, we never make mention of the other nationalities living illegally in the country. Moreover, I further contend that those who do not complain about the "white" illegals taking high-powered jobs, do so out of a sense of inferiority an un-worthiness. Believing us (Dominicans) are far too intellectually inferior as to desire a position of ascendency in the upper echelon of Dominican Business Life...

that is some powerful stuff . you are better suited for this than your pranks, although the pranks are first class. i have always said that certain posters can come on this board and say the vilest things about dominicans, and nobody responds. but if i do the same, everyone gets incensed, because they attach the name to a black man. it is ok for a white man to insult them, but they refuse constructive criticism from someone they believe to be black. there has never been an occasion when i state that dominicans are all lazy , and dishonest, and corrupt, like some regular posters do. but they are given a pass, because people seem to think that they have the clearance to do so, because they are caucasian.


dreadlocks,

How in the world does his low level basic trolling constitute 'powerful stuff'? And as far as their being sometype of racial double standard regarding insulting DR, please point out who are these caucasians who get a free pass. I'm relatively new here and have failed to see examples of this. The one thing I have seen is that DR is always a favorite target of Afrocentric extremist. Look at how many random posters sign up whenever race/blackness is mentioned, this in no way means there is a double standard, how many white guys come on here to tell us how messed up and racist we are? Or how evil Dominicans are to the poor inocent Haitians? Hypocrisy at it's finest because as you well know these other non-Haitian black groups also attach a negative stigma to Haitians, like Lautaro said I've yet to read any of them condemn this or even admit to it.
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#82 - Posted 24 March 2009, 10:47 AM
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How in the world does his low level basic trolling constitute 'powerful stuff'? And as far as their being sometype of racial double standard regarding insulting DR, please point out who are these caucasians who get a free pass. I'm relatively new here and have failed to see examples of this. The one thing I have seen is that DR is always a favorite target of Afrocentric extremist. Look at how many random posters sign up whenever race/blackness is mentioned, this in no way means there is a double standard, how many white guys come on here to tell us how messed up and racist we are? Or how evil Dominicans are to the poor inocent Haitians? Hypocrisy at it's finest because as you well know these other non-Haitian black groups also attach a negative stigma to Haitians, like Lautaro said I've yet to read any of them condemn this or even admit to it.


So what you are saying is that when it comes to prejudice and racism we Dominicans are a fair and balanced people, right...?
It blows my mind how far we have strayed from the issues that really matter. I am a consummated pragmatist. I want the DR to be a powerful nation among many. I do not care if the president at any given time is half Haitian or half Chinese...so long as during his/her watch the Dominican Republic becomes a powerful nation among many.
I do not care how many expats and illegals we have in the country. I do not care if we become protectionists or globalists; so long as the DR to the a powerful nation among many.

Edited on 3/24/2009 10:52 AM by jacirez.
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#83 - Posted 24 March 2009, 10:52 AM
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Why is it that whenever we deport haitians you, the people living in foreign lands, are always dealing the race card? Specially when THE WHOLE BLEEDING CARIBBEAN is doing the same thing to the haitians. And last I saw, jamaicans, trinis, martinicans, guadaloupeans, bahameans, barbadians and virgin islanders are as black as the haitians, but this doesn't prevent them from deporting them en masse. Or worse, prevent them from doing as the people in Turks and Caicos did, that is, ramming the haitian boatpeople in the middle of the sea. Why, mr. high and mighty jacirez, you're giving a free pass to all the other caribbean islanders on their repugnant treatment of the haitian inmigrants while sending us to the hells if we so much as think about doing the same, that is, exercising our sovereign right to deport whoever we want from our blasted territory?

http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/forum/new-topic?mode=reply_quote&topic=882&post=17348&p=7
U.S. Coast Guard Repatriates 447 Illegal Haitian Migrants in three weeks
To supplement the maritime efforts of the Royal Bahamas Defence Force, the U.S. Coast Guard maintains at least one multi-mission ship in the Windward Passage and Southern Bahamas region year round. As part of the U.S. and Bahamas Comprehensive Maritime Agreement, U.S. Coast Guard ships patrol with a trained member of the Royal Bahamas Defence Force who assists in all maritime law enforcement matters in Bahamian territorial waters. U.S. Coast Guard aircraft also assist in these efforts through daily flights covering vast portions of the Bahamian maritime region.

U.S. Coast Guard ships and aircraft have been extremely busy in the Windward Passage within the last three weeks assisting in the protection of the shores of the Bahamas and the Turks and Caicos Islands. Since 18 January 2008, the U.S. Coast Guard interdicted four overloaded sailing sloops from departure points in Haiti attempting to illegally migrate to the Bahamas and the United States. Other recent Haitian sloop intercepts made by the U.S. Coast Guard in the Windward Passage include:
In total since mid-January, the U.S. Coast Guard has intercepted a total of 447 illegal Haitian migrants who were directly repatriated back to Haiti. Such direct repatriations by the U.S Coast Guard -- in lieu of transfer and detention in The Bahamas -- have saved the Government of the Bahamas an estimated $97,000 in repatriation costs.

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#84 - Posted 24 March 2009, 11:07 AM
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So what you are saying is that when it comes to prejudice and racism we Dominicans are a fair and balanced people, right...?



No, what we're trying to say is that you and other foreigners, instead of portraying us as a brown version of Nazi Germany, you should really turn your attention to what is happening in the other islands of the Caribbean, which are as equal (or worse) offenders than us on the haitian issue, including la niña bonita del Caribe, "revolutionary" Cuba. That's all. Again, why are you letting the other islands off the hook on this issue, if it's too much to ask? If you're going to whine, bitch and complain about the way haitians are treated on foreign lands, then you need to look to ALL the culprits of the charge, unless you want to look like an hypocrite and/or like having double standards. Perhaps your being a citizen of the british commonwealth have made you believe that british west indian blacks are above any kind of reproach whatsoever on this issue, when reality have proven that it's quite the contrary, that they are as much to blame as everyone else.
Edited on 3/24/2009 11:16 AM by Lautaro.
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No, what we're trying to say is that you and other foreigners, instead of portraying us as a brown version of Nazi Germany, you should really turn your attention to what is happening in the other islands of the Caribbean, which are as equal (or worse) offenders than us on the haitian issue, including la niña bonita del Caribe, "revolutionary" Cuba. That's all. Again, why are you letting the other islands off the hook on this issue, if it's too much to ask? If you're going to whine, bitch and complain about the way haitians are treated on foreign lands, then you need to look to ALL the culprits of the charge, unless you want to look like an hypocrite and/or like having double standards.


Sure, they too cope with the same issues as we do and some of them do a far worse job than us. That being said, I was looking for an admission in our part of the existence of color-based (or ethnic) prejudice. My problem is that I NEVER hear about the other groups being here illegally, taking high-paying jobs from the local populace. I just some sense of symmetry, that's all...
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#86 - Posted 24 March 2009, 11:19 AM
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So what you are saying is that when it comes to prejudice and racism we Dominicans are a fair and balanced people, right...?

Feel free to quote where I state this.
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It blows my mind how far we have strayed from the issues that really matter.

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Sure it does. What else did you expect?
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I am a consummated pragmatist.

lmao! You must've meant you're a consumate hippie. You might as well advocate holding hands and singing cumbaya to 'wish' all problems away.
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I do not care how many expats and illegals we have in the country. I do not care if we become protectionists or globalists; so long as the DR to the a powerful nation among many.

Lies. You care deeply since you've danced around the illegal issue by trying to so far tie it in with Dominicans in NYC and telling us that we're picking on illegal Haitians while ignoring the other illegal immigration issue we're having with LatinAmericans.
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Lies. You care deeply since you've danced around the illegal issue by trying to so far tie it in with Dominicans in NYC and telling us that we're picking on illegal Haitians while ignoring the other illegal immigration issue we're having with LatinAmericans.


Here is the unspoken part: We say nothing about the "white" expats living in the country because we "know" they are here doing the managerial jobs that "we" are not "qualified" to do. We complain about the "Haitian" "illegals" because these menial jobs they're taking are the "only" jobs we're qualified to do.

You see, that's what pisses me off. We should be bitching and complaining about the expats at the top taking the high-paying jobs "we should be doing". I don't know about you; but I have no interest in sweeping floors or cleaning rooms. I want to be the General Manager of the whole damn place. If haitians want to come here and be waiters and bartender; I say let'em. I got my eyes on the big chair. I wanna be running the whole damn place. I'm only interested in having the "Panamenian" or "Costa Rican" Gerente General thrown out of the country for illegal immigration so that I can take his job!
Edited on 3/24/2009 11:30 AM by jacirez.
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hey Gizmo, the difference between us is that i know when i am out of my depth, and you and vacanos do not. you will NEVER see my name in a thread discussing the history of Hispaniola. why? i know too little about it to make any positive contribution. similatly, i stay away from articles discussing solutions to the problems of the two countries as neighbors, because i know too little about the sociology. you two cretins, on the other hand, yap about any topic on the board. now i have to sit through you telling me that AIG is an English Bank. if you had any idea of what was going on around you, you could never have made such a statement. should i be required to take you seriously? as to my exact nationality; what does it have to do with anything? this is the internet, remember. do you think people in Myanmar find you any more intelligent than people in the Azores? think again, mon frere.!
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Lautaro previously said:

No, what we're trying to say is that you and other foreigners, instead of portraying us as a brown version of Nazi Germany, you should really turn your attention to what is happening in the other islands of the Caribbean, which are as equal (or worse) offenders than us on the haitian issue, including la niña bonita del Caribe, "revolutionary" Cuba. That's all. Again, why are you letting the other islands off the hook on this issue, if it's too much to ask? If you're going to whine, bitch and complain about the way haitians are treated on foreign lands, then you need to look to ALL the culprits of the charge, unless you want to look like an hypocrite and/or like having double standards.


Sure, they too cope with the same issues as we do and some of them do a far worse job than us. That being said, I was looking for an admission in our part of the existence of color-based (or ethnic) prejudice. My problem is that I NEVER hear about the other groups being here illegally, taking high-paying jobs from the local populace. I just some sense of symmetry, that's all...



What sources can you give us that demonstrate this phenomenom of illegal whites who control all the high paying jobs? Any government sources that allude to their numbers, etc?
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What sources can you give us that demonstrate this phenomenom of illegal whites who control all the high paying jobs? Any government sources that allude to their numbers, etc?

Question: How many of the upper management echoleon of the Barcelò Hotel chain (or any Multinational Corporation doing business in the DR) are Dominicans...?
Edited on 3/24/2009 11:34 AM by jacirez.
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