| #121 - Posted 5 April 2009, 9:38 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1126 Posts: 975 | RE: Haitians make up 24% of patients [/QUOTE] The Haiti revolution was just the displacement of the colonist white slave masters for the black and mulatto slave masters. That was not a revolution but a change of masters. The working men stayed in slavery but instead of a white master they had a black or mulatto master (mainly military) to enslave them. Read your history, it is a clear and undebatable fact. [/QUOTE] I have a bigger challenge for you: Read about the history of revolutions around the world to gain some insight about the dynamics that go on before, during and after a revolutionary struggle. Some examples: The EX-Soviet Union, China, Nicaragua, Cuba, Zimbabwe, United States, France Etc. Did they happen or not? Think a little bit! |
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| #122 - Posted 5 April 2009, 9:49 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo Join date: December 2007 Member #: 38 Posts: 5742 | RE: Haitians make up 24% of patients Quote: Caonabohayti previously said: I have a bigger challenge for you: Read about the history of revolutions around the world to gain some insight about the dynamics that go on before, during and after a revolutionary struggle. Some examples: The EX-Soviet Union, China, Nicaragua, Cuba, Zimbabwe, United States, France Etc. Did they happen or not? Think a little bit! Yes, but generoso's message is: what's the use of so much death, destruction and bloodshed if things are going to remain the same for the masses? In all the abovementioned examples (excepting perhaps the case of the US) the power that ended up supplanting the former regime have ended up being more corrupt, despotic and violent than the one it just toppled. Just think about it. Edited on 4/5/2009 9:52 PM by Lautaro. "A man who strives after goodness in all his acts is sure to come to ruin, since there are so many men who are not good." Niccolo Macchiavelli - The Prince |
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| #123 - Posted 5 April 2009, 9:56 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism Join date: May 2008 Member #: 731 Posts: 2057 | RE: Haitians make up 24% of patients Why don't we deport of the island and send them all to Africa where there is more Jobs and land. |
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| #124 - Posted 5 April 2009, 10:49 PM | |
Location: United States, Quisqueya Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 9157 | RE: Haitians make up 24% of patients CaonaboHayiti You said and I quote: "We would have to wait for the emergence of more intelligent forms of Human Beings at a higher level of Civilization on both sides of the island to solve this" Speak for yourself brother, I am very clear what the solution is, and we Dominicans have being telling you Haitians over and over again for years and years, and you keep doing the same damn thing over and over again. Forget the g.d d.mn past, your glorious revolution, how the French f..ed you, the Americans, your elite, the hurricanes, yourselves......are you listening??????? Go back to your homeland, throw the politicians bums out and start rebuilding your country. Don't expect the savior to come from heaven, or Obama to come and save you or the Dominicans masses, do it while you just watch, contemplate and do nothing, you have to help yourselves. If you can not empower yourselves and believe that you can, then my friend you are doomed. Go back home, take your civilian rag tag army with you, get on top of a soap box and start your revolution. Dominicans and the whole world will applaud you when you do and then we can be good friends again. Edited on 4/6/2009 9:54 AM by generoso. Ignorance is temporary, stupidity lasts forever. |
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| #125 - Posted 5 April 2009, 10:54 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: December 2008 Member #: 1810 Posts: 173 | RE: Haitians make up 24% of patients Quote: generoso previously said: CaonaboHayiti You said and I quote: "We would have to wait for the emergence of more intelligent forms of Human Beings at a higher level of Civilization on both sides of the island to solve this" Speak for yourself brother, I am very clear what the solution is, and we Dominicans have being telling you Haitians over and over again for years and years, and you keep doing the same damn thing over and over again. Forget the god damn past, your glorious revolution, how the French f..ed you, the Americans, your elite, the hurricanes, yourselves......are you listening??????? Go back to your homeland, throw the politicians bums out and start rebuilding your country. Don't expect the savior to come from heaven, or Obama to come and save you or the Dominicans masses, do it while you just watch, contemplate and do nothing, you have to help yourselves. If you can not empower yourselves and believe that you can, then my friend you are doomed. Go back home, take your civilian rag tag army with you, get on top of a soap box and start your revolution. Dominicans and the whole world will applaud you when you do and then we can be good friends again. Yes sir! So true Mr. generous so true. Tu mensaje debería de ser una inspiración para los Haitianos. The Dominican Republic is Haiti's 911. |
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| #126 - Posted 6 April 2009, 2:15 AM | |
Location: United States Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1126 Posts: 975 | RE: Haitians make up 24% of patients Quote: generoso previously said: CaonaboHayiti You said and I quote: "We would have to wait for the emergence of more intelligent forms of Human Beings at a higher level of Civilization on both sides of the island to solve this" Speak for yourself brother, I am very clear what the solution is, and we Dominicans have being telling you Haitians over and over again for years and years, and you keep doing the same damn thing over and over again. Forget the god damn past, your glorious revolution, how the French f..ed you, the Americans, your elite, the hurricanes, yourselves......are you listening??????? Go back to your homeland, throw the politicians bums out and start rebuilding your country. Don't expect the savior to come from heaven, or Obama to come and save you or the Dominicans masses, do it while you just watch, contemplate and do nothing, you have to help yourselves. If you can not empower yourselves and believe that you can, then my friend you are doomed. Go back home, take your civilian rag tag army with you, get on top of a soap box and start your revolution. Dominicans and the whole world will applaud you when you do and then we can be good friends again. Generoso, Thanks for your belated advice. The Haitian masses are working on it. Do the same for your homeland. |
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| #127 - Posted 6 April 2009, 9:03 AM | |
Location: United States, Quisqueya Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 9157 | RE: Haitians make up 24% of patients Quote: Caonabohayti previously said: Quote: generoso previously said: CaonaboHayiti You said and I quote: "We would have to wait for the emergence of more intelligent forms of Human Beings at a higher level of Civilization on both sides of the island to solve this" Speak for yourself brother, I am very clear what the solution is, and we Dominicans have being telling you Haitians over and over again for years and years, and you keep doing the same damn thing over and over again. Forget the god damn past, your glorious revolution, how the French f..ed you, the Americans, your elite, the hurricanes, yourselves......are you listening??????? Go back to your homeland, throw the politicians bums out and start rebuilding your country. Don't expect the savior to come from heaven, or Obama to come and save you or the Dominicans masses, do it while you just watch, contemplate and do nothing, you have to help yourselves. If you can not empower yourselves and believe that you can, then my friend you are doomed. Go back home, take your civilian rag tag army with you, get on top of a soap box and start your revolution. Dominicans and the whole world will applaud you when you do and then we can be good friends again. Generoso, Thanks for your belated advice. The Haitian masses are working on it. Do the same for your homeland. We in DR are ahead of you Haitians, but still in the early stages of a real democracy, and I will relate to you something else. The popular armed movements have failed in the DR because what you call "masses" have not backed them. Going back as far as Trujillo, the campesinos were the backbone of the regime along with the parts of elite and the military. Only the educated and intellectuals had the freedom ideas and inspiration. The "masses" did not care, or were happy in their ignorance and squealed, snitched and even openly searched and eliminated dissenters and freedom fighters with the repression forces. Almost all our outstanding and exceptional leaders were killed because the "masses" backed the same system that enslaved them. Lack of education is the worst enemy of the progress of civilizations, and Haitians have a long way to go because of their illiteracy and most primitive and gullible mind set. It is not a task that can be accomplished overnight, the process will take at least a generation. Meanwhile try to stay breathing and do not sacrifice yourself for far off ideals that do not feed the day to day reality of the Haitian masses. Just a friendly advise. Edited on 4/6/2009 9:04 AM by generoso. Ignorance is temporary, stupidity lasts forever. |
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| #128 - Posted 6 April 2009, 9:46 AM | |
Location: United States, In your mind Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1042 Posts: 775 | RE: Haitians make up 24% of patients Quote: Caonabohayti previously said: JEM237, The "illegality" of the Haitian Immigrant workers is institutionalized in the DR as a form of slavery or an under-class that can be used to drive down wages to the lowest common denominator and create a scapegoat for social and economic problems in the country. It is in the interest of the Dominican elite to perpetuate this "illegality". Therefore, the "illegality" of the Haitian Immigrant Workers is a direct effect of the "illegality" of this elite and the government. In order to put an end to the "illegality" of the Haitian Immigrant Workers, the Dominican elite and the government have to stop their own illegality and become legal themselves. That requires that they create a clear pathway, as you said also, for the legalization with option of citizenship for the Haitian Immigrant Workers who are living in the country. Yes. As for how many Haitian Immigrants living in the DR, people talk about such big numbers as 2 million. I don't think so. The last I checked the population was closer to between 600,000 and 700,000. They are already living in the DR for a long time. Many of them are already quite detached from Haiti. They are De Facto Dominicans. They contribute tremendously to the Dominican economy. When you think of Haitian Immigrant Workers in the DR, think also about Dominican Immigrant Workers in Puerto Rico, Venezuela and the United States. Would you like to be treated there the way Haitian Immigrant Workers are treated in the DR? From a progressive viewpoint, and immigrant workers perspectives, no one is illegal. Workers rights are sacrosanct no matter where they are. It is not me that make it seem the DR cannot survive without Haitian labor. it is more like the Dominican elite could not do without it. To repeat, as hypocrits and reactionaries, they also like to demonize the Haitian immigrant Workers via the media and subject them to persecution and mob violence. It may be true that there are historical roots to the emotions people feel on both sides of the island. However, today, the Dominican elite uses those things intentionally to stir antagonisms, hatred, and violence through their anti-Haitianismo ideology. First of all, it's very interesting how you are keep putting in parentheses the word illegal when it comes to the majority of Haitian immigrants. Stop the B.S. and just admit that the majority of your compatriots that are working the menial jobs are in the DR ILLEGALLY; meaning they entered the country without obtaining the necessary paperwork to enter the country as with any country in the world. Look, Dominicans don't care if the Haitians that have been living in DR are detached from Haiti or whatever, they are still Haitians and not seen or accepted as Dominicans. No offense and I know that what I'm about to say is pretty mean, but you and many of your compatriots seem to lack dignity for your nationality and that is extremely sad. You all seem intent on imposing being accepted in a country where you have always been and always will be rejected. When will enough be enough for you guys? Get your sh--t together and work on making your country a better place and stop looking at the DR as the solution to your problems! As far as the Dominicans that are living illegally in PR, US, Venezuela, etc., the same thing goes for them. If they enter these places illegally they just can't expect to be treated like royalty or to not have any resentment from the struggling poor that are competing for the same jobs that they are. Which brings up the question, are you also spewing all of the things you are spewing here to the Jamaicans, Bahamianians, Cubans, and all other places with Haitian illegals where they are also being rejected? Or is DR the only place that comes to mind? You are out of your mind with that idea of having a pathway cleared to allow for the legalization of illegal Haitian workers; keep on dreamin' is all I have to say. I wish you would go and pose this progressive viewpoint and ideology of yours to immigration services here in the U.S. and see what they tell you. What did you have to say and what are you doing about the 30,000 compatriots of yours that are getting deported by the U.S.? And please, get off that 'Dominican elite becoming legal themselves' nonsense. Eso ni tu mismo te lo crees! The elite will always control everything and run things as they please in DR, the U.S., Europe, Africa, Asia, in other words, EVERYWHERE in the world. The Dominican elite knows damn well that they would survive without Haitian labor because I will repeat again, WE HAVE LOTS OF POOR PEOPLE, TOO!! Just like the elite in the U.S., it is preferable for them to hire an illegal immigrant that is not entitled to the rights and pay as the native. That's all there is to it, it's not rocket science! Also, the antagonism against your compatriots has nothing to do with the Dominican elite. Why is it so hard for you to understand that the antagonism has always existed and has deep roots in history that are quite obvious and are not going to change anytime soon? Edited on 4/6/2009 9:47 AM by JEM237. "Those who do not hate their own selfishness and regard themselves as more important than the rest of the world are blind because the truth lies elsewhere" - Blaise Pascal |
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| #129 - Posted 6 April 2009, 10:01 AM | |
Location: United States, New York City Join date: February 2008 Member #: 411 Posts: 5911 | RE: Haitians make up 24% of patients I seriously don't see the reason why the caonabohaytis of the world come on here to post. Is it to change the hearts and minds of the young Dominicans that frequent such sites as this? If that's the case they are doing a dismal job of gaining converts to whatever it is they're trying to get converts for. Are they here to impress us with their intellect perhaps? If that's the case they are also doing a dismal job in that arena as well. Are they here to argue and play redundant games of mental chess? Judging from the quality and content of some of these posts I'm inclined to think that the latter query is a clear referance to the reality of it all. "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill |
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| #130 - Posted 6 April 2009, 10:06 AM | |
Location: Dominican Republic Join date: June 2008 Member #: 887 Posts: 1577 | RE: Haitians make up 24% of patients You see... you have taken the insertion out of context totally. I was comparing how vulnerable people are treated. While the Haitian Immigrant workers are being persecuted and hurt by mob violence in the DR, vulnerable Dominicans are not subjected to mob violence in Haiti. Caonabohayti. It was not the most appropriate example. Haitian prostitutes do not have any problems in the Dominican Republic either. Is it that an example of the level of generosity of the Dominican people.? |
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