| #11 - Posted 29 March 2009, 10:12 PM | |
Location: Iran, Zähedän Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1286 Posts: 1116 | RE: The Disgusting Haitian Elite Quote: generoso previously said: I agree the Haitian blood sucking elite have a lot of responsibility in the who is to blame for Haiti's suffering, but it is not the only factor where to place the blame. Haiti was just elected by Transparency International as the most corrupt country on earth. That is not something to be proud of if you can not trust the caretakers that are presently running things in Haiti to care for the welfare of their countrymen and women. Haitians historically have always been an irresponsible, cruel and inefficient country managers. Recently the Venezuelan government of Commander Chavez sent a few containers of fertilizers and other goods to Haiti as a gesture of friendship, and no one knows where they are, they disappeared. Yet Preval is courting with Fidel Castro and can not stop praising the old comandante, even been in Cuba along with Daniel Ortega and Bolivia's ruler Evo Morales recently as the only nations present in Cuba's 50 th anniversary. The international community has GIVEN UP on Haiti. Get this, I repeat. The international community has GIVEN UP on Haiti. They are talking "assimilation" with the Dominican Republic and that is the plan. Myself amongst many other Dominicans that can read between the lines, have witnessed this alarming trend, and are raising our voices to be heard. We are being accused of racists, intolerant, no compassion, xenophobic, and every other name you can think of and some new ones for resisting the macabre plans. Just like you put a fence in your property or house for protection and to deter invaders, Dominicans are now criticized for wanting to do so. The international community wants the DR to merge with Haiti and then problem solved. No more worries about mass immigration, and the Haitians will share our wealth and resources. Well, the same way you have worked all your life to earn a few material things and you don't feel like sharing them with unwanted strangers, Dominicans don't feel very generous with Haitians that will bring nothing to the table with the exception of disease, illiteracy, ignorance, superstition, a foreign language that keeps them uneducated, and on top of that a bad "give me" attitude. No sir. No way in hell is this going to happen. Not now, not 100 years from now. Good fences make good neighbors. Arriba con el muro por la vida! What you fail to realize is that ONLY the Dominican Republic has any vested interest in what happens in Haiti. We are the ones that have to deal with the "Blowback". Knowing that, I propose we "solve" the problem once and for all. We create the economic conditions that would "encourage" the indigenous population in Haiti to stay "in-situ" (the fact that the Dominican Industrial-Military Complex will make a profit in such a venture is completely incidental). - EVERY elevation of the type ‘man,’ has hitherto been the work of an aristocratic society and so it will always be—a society believing in a long scale of gradations of rank and differences of worth among human beings, and requiring slavery in some form or other. - |
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| #12 - Posted 29 March 2009, 10:57 PM | |
Location: United States, DR Join date: August 2008 Member #: 1291 Posts: 8401 | RE: The Disgusting Haitian Elite I do not correspond with trolls, for the rest of you, these are some of jacirez statements: I will now reveal my master plan: We (Dominican Industrialists) should create a symbiotic relationship with the military to systematically take over coastal towns in Haiti. We should further use the cumulative knowledge in manufacturing, hotels and tourism to replicate in-situs, the infrastructure we have in the DR. We should further use the indigenous populace for the bulk of the lower tier work, while maintaining a firm grip on the upper echelon of power. The end result of this strategy is to encourage the Haitian population to "stay" in place rather than cross the border. Further, we would turn what is now a failed state into a wildly profitable protectorate of the Dominican Republic. You ignorant peasant! Don't you see? We don't need a wall; what we need is a battalion of the "Ejercito Nacional" to take over prime beachfront properties in Haiti. We also need Dominican Industrialists to front the money to develop these lands. Doing so by employing the indigenous populace while retaining control of the upper tier position. This would encourage Haitians to stay "in-situs" rather than crossing the border to our side. This scheme would provide massive revenues back to the DR for years to come. The solution to our problems is to turn Haiti into a Dominican Protectorate... You are small-minded, your thoughts are small, your dreams and aspirations are small. You are incapable of seeing beyond your petty dreams and aspirations. You will always be small and insignificant. Stand aside little man. Let the true patriots take over. Quisqueya and all her riches belong to us!!! You and people like you are the reason Quisqueya has yet to achieve its potential. Your small mindedness is the reason for the Apagones, Huelgas and culture of "Metiendo la Mano". You and the likes of you must be hunted down and eliminated like the vermin you are!!! "Speak softly, and carry a big stick, you will go far". |
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| #13 - Posted 29 March 2009, 11:04 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: March 2008 Member #: 522 Posts: 5223 | RE: The Disgusting Haitian Elite What you fail to realize is that ONLY the Dominican Republic has any vested interest in what happens in Haiti. ]We are the ones that have to deal with the...... " Very true, Like you say, the DR is the ONLY country with a vested interest in what happens to Haiti. And that is what I am afraid off. My friends we are on our own. We have to deal with this problem as best we can, but I just don't see the gov't of Leonel paying any or very little attention to it. When the time comes to react, it will most likely be a little too late. Edited on 3/29/2009 11:05 PM by guillermone. |
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| #14 - Posted 30 March 2009, 8:28 AM | |
Location: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 3319 | RE: The Haitian Elite Edited on 6/6/2009 11:13 AM by yumnuk3. |
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| #15 - Posted 30 March 2009, 11:31 AM | |
Location: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 3319 | RE: The Disgusting Haitian Elite An estimated 400,000 children are abandoned to live and fend for themselves on the streets of Haiti. Many of these children are sold into slavery and suffer from severe abuse resulting in disfigurement and death. A short documentary on the important work undertaken by Michael Brewer, an American registered nurse who runs the Haitian Street Kids Inc. non-profit organization in Port Au Prince, the Haitian capital. Brewer's organization has created the Family Circle Home for Boys, which provides Haiti's abandoned children with the rare opportunity to enjoy shelter, food and security. |
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| #16 - Posted 30 March 2009, 12:15 PM | |
Location: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 3319 | RE: The Disgusting Haitian Elite Haitians Battle Lethal Food Crisis - CBN.com Edited on 5/4/2009 9:49 PM by yumnuk3. |
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| #17 - Posted 30 March 2009, 12:19 PM | |
Location: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨ Join date: June 2008 Member #: 926 Posts: 3319 | Where are the Haitian Afro Nazis? You have a lot of explaining to do. A typical example of irresponsible parenting. Edited on 3/30/2009 10:43 PM by yumnuk3. |
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| #18 - Posted 2 April 2009, 6:33 PM | |
Location: United States Join date: January 2009 Member #: 1994 Posts: 1150 | RE: The Disgusting Haitian Elite YUMNUK3 Thank you for sharing the following article, as i have said before Haitians are there own worst enemies. Wheres *******Hayti. Where is he????? By Bob Corbett ROOT CAUSES: B. HAITIAN ELITE The international community has done and continues to do its share in causing Haitian misery. But the contribution of the Haitian elite and Haitian governments has been and continues to be a root cause of suffering. SLAVE-LIKE LABOR SYSTEMS IN THE EARLY REPUBLIC. After the French left there was a scramble for power and control in Haiti. The elite emerged as the dominant power. Given their superior educations, and experience in running businesses and other affairs, their control was not at all surprising. But, a pattern arose because the only model they knew for successful agriculture was the slave system. It was impossible to return the masses to slavery, but Jean-Jacques Dessalines, the first president, tried to enforce a system of labor on the peasants which resembled medieval serfdom, i.e., tying the peasants to particular plantations owned by the elite. This system failed miserably and in the process created a labor system which has been instrumental in the developing misery of Haiti. What happened in the 1804-1820 period set the tone for Haiti's future and is directly responsible for much of her misery. The former slaves ran away from the lowlands, the plantations, away from the cruel rulers who would have effectively enslaved them again. They ran to the mountains where they would be safe from the soldiers and police of the realm. And here they have in large measure remained. This pattern of relocation has defined several aspects of Haitian life which undermine the development of a healthy economy. The price the Haitian masses have paid for their freedom has been to live at or below subsistence, remaining in their tiny huts and non-fertile mountain regions in order to have peace and freedom from oppression. For nearly two centuries they have sub-divided their small plots among their generations of descendants until the plots of land are very tiny and relatively unproductive. A widespread attitude has developed holding that no government could ever be good government. Folk wisdom seems to demand that one retreat ever further from government and eke out an existence outside the mainstream of society. All of these factors contribute greatly to the misery the Haitian people suffer, and they are a direct legacy of Haitian politics and government. These evils are brought to the Haitian people by the greed of the elite. THE ELITE'S PROTECTION OF ITS WEALTH. For the most part the 3% of the people who constitute the Haitian elite are descendants of those same families who were free prior to the independence of 1804. There is an elite which is mainly black and an elite which is mainly mulatto. These two groups have their own fights and battles, but in the few cases when the masses have attempted to rise up and assert the rights and needs of the people as a whole, the elite has rallied together using its wealth and power to crush the masses. The Duvalier family's rise to power was just another in a series of such moves. The present government of General Namphy continues the pattern even today. There has been no revolution in Haiti, just a change of government. HAITIAN CORRUPTION. Corruption is common in all governments, especially prominent in highly authoritarian regimes, and practiced beyond measure in Haiti. The elite have used their positions in government ever since 1804 to gather the wealth and power of Haiti for themselves. What little wealth the country had has been manipulated into the hands of this elite. Foreign governments and humanitarian and religious organizations have often attempted to aid the suffering people of Haiti. Time and again, over and over in the 182 years of so-called freedom, the Haitian elite and government officials have sidetracked much of this wealth for their own purposes. Haiti faces the incredibly difficult task of dealing with corruption that is so established, so all-persuasive as to be an accepted social practice. HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS AS A TOOL OF OPPRESSION. One would never expect that the Haitian masses would have sat placidly by and allowed such a tiny elite to inflict the conditions of misery on them. Indeed, the people did not sit willingly by. The history of Haiti from early colonial days until the present is one of constant resistance, constant rebellion. But the elite have been equal to the challenge. For 182 years the Haitian rulers have used terror, killings, beatings, illegal arrests and detentions, forced exile and other such measures to keep the masses in line. Even recently when it seemed that the overthrow of the Duvalier dynasty would end the dreaded Tonton Macoute and ease the pressure against resisters, we are reading of the activities of the Leopards. This is a crack military organization which has been implicated by Amnesty International in recent attacks on literacy workers and others aiding the masses in attempting to non-violently break out of two centuries of oppression of the Haitian elite. SUMMARY OF THE ROOTS CAUSES The poverty and misery in Haiti are human created. The root causes are the political and economic systems which have dominated Haiti for the whole of her 182 years. These oppressive factors have come from the international community, especially France and the United States. However, the Haitian elite, comprising only 3% of the Haitian people has also been a major factor in creating and continuing these oppressive conditions. The causal roots are generally not very visible. Rather, they are the basis of the more visible and immediate factors which I will explain in the next section. Even the overt human rights abuses are not mainly visible on a daily basis. However, the Duvalier years were especially bad. Tens of thousands of people died or disappeared. Hundreds of thousands more felt forced to flee their homeland and seek a safer life elsewhere. Nearly everyone in the country felt the terror of the Duvaliers and their Tonton Macoute. Edited on 4/2/2009 6:34 PM by Gizmo. READ A BOOK FOR REAL! BECOME A BOOKWORM MISTER BEFORE YOU GET SERVED!!!!! |
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| #19 - Posted 25 April 2009, 6:14 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, La Union Join date: July 2008 Member #: 1028 Posts: 1284 | RE: The Disgusting Haitian Elite Here are two Haitian pages I have found. http://www.radiotambou.com and http://www.everythingHaitian.com I do not know if they are any good; but I hope some of you on here will do check it out. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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| #20 - Posted 25 April 2009, 6:17 PM | |
Location: Dominican Republic, Houston,Texas y San Francisco, DR Join date: April 2009 Member #: 2555 Posts: 3362 | RE: The Disgusting Haitian Elite Quote: AfroLatino previously said: Here are two Haitian pages I have found. http://www.radiotambou.com and http://www.everythingHaitian.com I do not know if they are any good; but I hope some of you on here will do check it out. Can i ask you what's your agenda here? "People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs" |
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